Red-Robbo

37 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

The consensus seems to be that we’d like rid of Jon, Brian and Liam. However, realistically the first isn’t going anywhere.

Isn't going anywhere fast. But go he will. Eventually we'll be entirely or part sold and even if the latter, there's no way any investor is going to accept the club structured as it is.

On the original question, I went Tinnion. Manning's a huge flop, but it was the dead hand of Tins who led to the situation in the first place and if he's in place, his "football know-how" could lead to us appointing an even worse manager after Liam Manning. Liam Fox probably. 

1 hour ago, noize said:

With some people I've noticed its almost like a "badge of honour" to be able to tell people how you continue to support and go every week regardless.

It is, and it is with me. That said, I never criticise those who don't renew or have an ST or give up watching for whatever reason. It's not military service: it isn't compulsory.

I've seen us with worse managers and worse players in worse leagues. But that's just me. Four generations of Robbos have been going along to watch City (and maybe Bristol South End before that) and to moan and gripe about us but have occasional moments of great elation. I will continue to go. 

This year, I'll postpone renewing for as long as possible. 

2 minutes ago, 38MC said:

I get that Robbo. TP was an absolute sag agent and the football under him was dross, but the regression under manning and seeing him completely devalue our players such as Conway and to see him completely hammer a squad full of young players publicly when it’s clear to all that he’s the problem makes me dislike him so much. 

I couldn't stand Pulis (and SOD) more - but they failed at a lower level than Manning is. Maybe, if we were somehow getting relegated this season under another manager (post Pearson) Manning might be fine in League One with us. But he patently ain't at Championship level.  

I don't hate the bloke, like some do, but he just isn't good enough (and I wonder if he'll ever be) to manage at Tier 2. 

16 minutes ago, 38MC said:

I honestly think he’s the worst manager we’ve had in my timeframe. He ranks lower than Pulis for me.

Er, I'm not a Manning form but that statement is well OTT for me.  Pulis brought in a load of old crocks and we limped on playing hoofball in L1 losing to the  likes of Cambridge, Northampton - and the Gash!

5 minutes ago, lenred said:

Imagine being Max Bird

4 minutes ago, Jose said:

I still have no idea what he was thinking 

He's like a bird, he'll only fly away 

(If he can!)

1 hour ago, Markman said:

an acquired taste but I like them and I love Blindness - especially the version live Hammersmith Palais but this is not available on Vinyl (well I cannot find it) - seems there are millions of Fall Bootlegs and I bought Live in (Jimmy) Clitheroe - opens with Blindness but a terrible sound.

Any Fall fans that know a good live version and which album I can find it on?

Just checked my Touch Sensitive Live Bootleg Box set and it's not on that. Obviously not a concert live performance, but there is the John Peel Sessions version...

17 hours ago, Dollymarie said:

People who write or say RIP, when what they should be writing/saying is R.I.P.

 

Fun fact: They never use RIP (or R.I.P) in Australia or New Zealand. It's always "Vale" - Latin for farewell. 

3 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said:

I'm genuinely starting to think that the majority of posters on here would rather we play badly so they can carry on their obsession with criticising Manning rather than he actually turns things around.

It's getting ridiculous. Yes, his press conferences are a bit monotone. So what, I couldn't care less. 

It all seems to get so personal. He's clearly passionate, hard working and hungry for success.

The contents of this forum will filter through to him and the team, directly or indirectly. What do you think this constant negativity will achieve, other than drag down morale within the team?

If Manning does get success, which I appreciate most have already dismissed, do you think he'll be sticking around for long after this unjustified campaign of personal abuse?

Wish there was a happy clapper forum in existence. Potentially misjudged optimism seems preferable to this obsession with negativity and abuse.

He must have known having to follow Pearson would bring challenges but I bet he never thought it would still be going on.

I hate to break it to everyone, but 90% of football managers* speak in cliches - even the revered St Nigel of Nottingham used them - and many of them may not deliver routine press conferences in a very interesting tone. They are paid, after all, to be able to get a team of players to play entertaining and successful football, not to be fascinating after-dinner speakers. 

This is the only place I'll attack Manning on - his management record here. Not on how interesting he sounds in interviews.

* You can extend that to 90% of all sportsmen really. 

On 13/03/2024 at 14:47, Superjack said:

I have only just discovered this thread. 

I will be posting a lot!

Anyway...

Cliff Richard.

In the late 70s early 80s, my mate's brother was in his touring band. Anyway, Cliff had just finished a long tour of North America and Europe and wanted them to take on some extra dates in Australia and New Zealand.  The band, who'd all been away from their families for months, all wanted a modest increase to undertake the extra two months involved. Cliff's as tight as a gnat's chuff, so he sacked them all and said he'd undertake the Aussie tour with local musicians. Trouble was, his rep preceded him, and few Aussie session men wanted to work with him; the band he hired didn't know his material and on the first night of the tour they were so shambolic they got booed. Cliff's manager quietly rehired the UK band on the enhanced money they wanted. 

3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

ACLs are impossible to predict,

Very true. I haven't been available for selection for 23 years. 

16 hours ago, prankerd said:

I did a dna test not so long ago, i was born in bristol and always lived in england for the most part but apparently my dna has zero English in it... its got welsh, irish and Scottish tho

So in my opinion if your born in the uk your basically got every right to qualify for either of the home nations ...

Commercially available DNA tests are something of a nonsense diversion. You'll have a similar halotype to that mostly found in Wales, but as Ancient Britons living in England and Ancient Britons living in Wales were identical that merely means you have neglibile Saxon or Norman (or more modern migrant) ancestry. It doesn’t mean you are not "English".

Extremely non-swarthy people I know are routinely told by these kit testers that they have Spanish heritage, when what is probably the case in most tests is that they carry some DNA markets common among the "beaker folk" who migrated to the UK from the Iberian Peninsula in the Bronze Age. Spain didn’t exist back then and modern Spaniards - although many will also have beaker folk halotypes - are of a very different DNA profile than these ancient people. 

16 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

So you'd deny someone the opportunity to play on the World stage ie The World Cup?

If they are English like Jay, yes. If anything he's more Brazilian than Welsh. 

I think the way players are allowed to decide they're one nationality when playing youth football then suddenly switch to being another as an adult on the basis of a grandparent is a loophole that should be stopped. Play for England U21 and you remain English. Especially if you grew up in f-ing Luton. 

Nothing really prepares you for it, as I know from experience.

My condolences to Scott and his family. 

19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just tagging your post, not arguing per se.

It’s interesting because I’m a recent interview Joe claimed something that I’ve said for a while - that he’s often the one trying to inject tempo, trying to break lines with passes, etc…and that he attempts riskier stuff than others.

That comes at a cost in some cases, because Joe can be a bit erratic.

Of course we will all have our own views on an individual player.  My thoughts on Joe are that if you replace him (and Jamo) with ball-players / passers / technicians, who’s gonna win the ball back for them, either through being a pest (Joe) or intelligent positioning (Jamo)?  If yesterday was anything to go by, Swansea will have 95% possession next season without someone to try and get a foot in.

Yep, that's another way of saying he gets stuck in! 

One of the things always makes me laugh is when footballers are described as "cultured" or sometimes having a "cultured left (or right) foot".  Puts me in mind of a football boot holding forth at the opening of some trendy gallery!   However, I know what commentators mean by that.

Joe Williams is not "cultured".  And as such, I think Manning might tell him to curb his riskier instincts and play it safe.

But are we going to chuck on a fire the nearest thing we've got to a midfield enforcer, or criticise the bloke who played Dickie onto goal yesterday?  Some might, but I'm not. 

Joe was one of the better players in a very poor team performance yesterday, I thought. He does at least try to stop players running past him. 

He's a limited player. Will always favour the short backward pass over the longer one, even when he has more options upfield. 

Could we fet better? Probably. But if we let go all the players people are saying will either leave or be offloaded in the summer, we'd just have Rob Dickie and 10 newbies starting for us in August. 

Can't see that happening somehow. 

2 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

We used to run on after every match in the '60s, get a grip,

 

After, not during. 

2 hours ago, sglosbcfc said:

I was furious when Pearson was dismissed and I believe that we have gone backwards under Manning. The board should take the blame for the dismissal and what has gone on since, but let me make one thing clear, nothing would delight me more if Manning goes on to be a huge success. I also don't agree with very personal attacks on him, criticise his flawed decisions, but that should be it.

We are all Bristol City fans and surely we want the team winning and playing well. I really don't want to see us plummet towards relegation so I can smugly say 'look I was right all along'. I'd love for another poster to be ridiculing some of my posts of the past few months because we go unbeaten until the end of the season and the football is front foot and exciting. I'm extremely doubtful, but keeping everything crossed just the same. COYR

Superb post.

Board members who attack Manning in childish terms or use non-important stuff to have a go at him - thinning hair, "boring" voice - undermine their own argument.

We have quite enough ammo against him - the way he's coaching our players to play and the in-game football decisions he makes. 

As a young manager, we hope he learns from mistakes and improves. Just as we do with young players. 

Anyone wanting us to lose games to "remove Manning" needs to, as they say, give their head a wobble. We are City. I want us to win every game we play. 

27 minutes ago, SydneyCity said:

I can’t really comment on yesterday. Despite it being a relatively early kick-off over here, I fell asleep about 15 minutes into the first half.

You lucky sod!  

4 hours ago, SydneyCity said:

I will say with great confidence that he would be an absolute nightmare to play against. 

I think Swansea quite enjoyed playing against him yesterday - particularly as he gave them the ball so frequently. 

Yesterday was HC at his very worst. But of course playing wide and behind a front two is not his strength.

12 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Spooky that Tinnion came out and did an interview last week and SL shows up today. Vote of confidence ? Or here to pave the way for sacking.

One thing we do know is that they don’t act quickly. Lansdown has said in the past how he dislikes the managerial roundabout and thinks folk should be given time. People can talk about an existing relationship with Lee Johnson, but look at what time he got, despite terrible runs of form. The Lansdowns clearly had issues with Nige a long time before they actually showed him the door. 

I'd be highly surprised if Manning was let go this season. 

15 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

On the basis Manning stays we need BETTER above him. Sorry Sidney old chap………….

This is it, cutting him as much slack as you can possibly cut, Manning is learning on the job. A L1 manager asked to step up and floundering.

He needs a wise-old head to advise, not a bloke who was such a disaster at L1 that he fecked off to coach a school in Spain afterwards. 

In an ideal world, he'd be a sort of central midfield distributor type - spraying balls about upfield to others who carry much more goal threat than him.

He's definitely lost his mojo currently though. 

Probably our best dead-ball taker, but that says more about the rest if the side than it does TGH. 

I think Ronald's surname is McDonald. 

What I cannot fathom is if Twine is so far from fitness he couldn't even make a 10 minute token appearance to give us fresh legs up front, why was he on the bench?

1 hour ago, Fjmcity said:

Make him caretaker !!!

I'd rather he continued as a footballer to be honest.