Monkeh

We are going to play 4 4 ******* 2 

5 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

What has happened to wingers in the Prem and Championship.

They get the ball and if the fullback is within 10 yards they play inside or backwards. A good winger, if he is not tackled before getting the ball under control should be able to take on and beat his man 40% of the time when he only has 1 marker. Even if he gets a throw further up the pitch it's OK. 

A lot of the excitement used to come from these unpredictable tricksters.

It seems now that is totally coached out of them and unless they get the ball with 25 yards of space in front of them they play it safe.

The best way to disrupt a well organised defence is to beat 1 player and run at the defence.

One thing of beauty was to watch Alex Scott receive the ball under pressure and simple breeze past his marker. How many free kicks did we get and chances came about due to the chaos it caused. 

I just find our style of play so b***dy boring.

 

Pep doesn't use them, therefore it's now obsolete to use them ever again

57 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Groundhog Day at Ashton Gate as Liam Manning and Bristol City have serious questions to answer (msn.com)

Can't disagree with anything said.

 

 

 

Serious questions to ask, that's normally coincides with senior leaders at the club going missing

51 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

In fairness Lee Johnson was given about a billion pounds. And that’s my biggest fear here…

Mine too,

On 03/03/2024 at 11:00, Fordy62 said:

In my 35 years of supporting City never have I seen a manager set up to fail quite so badly by the top brass. I said it at the time of his appointment that he’d been dealt a poisoned chalice and it’s playing out exactly as I hoped it wouldn’t. 

So let’s try to remember that none of this is Manning’s fault. He took a lucrative job that none of would have turned down and none of us can blame him for taking. I’m sure he and his team are trying their very best.

Fortunately I lost my mojo for Bristol City when Nige was sacked. I saw it before with Cotterill and history has repeated itself. I say fortunately because I find myself really not caring too much about our games, how we’re performing etc. I find it sad I feel like this, but it helps eliminate the problem of the City result ruining your weekend - which I suspect is how many of you feel right now. 

But I suppose my main point is try not to get on Manning’s back. It’s not his fault. 

I’m grateful for the investment the Lansdowns have made, our new stadium is brilliant and we’re in a really good place off the pitch. But I think we’ve definitely run our course now, and with my very best wishes it’s time they sold up and left. And if they wouldn’t mind taking their mate Bri with them at the same time, that’d be ideal. They’re getting the comeuppance they deserve in spades. Completely out of their depth. 

I suppose you could sum up my feelings on them the same way they dealt with Nige. You feel the need to gamble on something new, yeh, it could well be worse, but it’s probably worth the gamble. 

I disagree with some of this, but that's not to say this is an excellent post,

We've had many managers over the last 20 years, we've had success we've had heartbreak, there has been on constant throughout,

The ownership, when you've changed everything and nothing seems to take you to that next level, then it's time to look at the ownership model,

Thinking purely in business terms, there is a monopoly at the club, monopolies are never a good thing in business,

If lansdown really wants to deliver success, the  he needs to leave the echo chamber, bring in new shareholders have more voices on the board,

Only when that happens will the club move forward,

As for manning, he is just lee johnson, the similarities are there for all too see, except johnson did a good job compared to manning

56 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

 

Just a bit of light relief ...

It papers Iver the cracks, and those missing from the weekends debates will reappear,

Cycle of life

6 hours ago, Ian M said:

Given that “Manning-ball” appears to be nothing like the style Tinnion says is now our identity, do we think our Technical Director knew this before head-hunting him or could he have looked at the top 6 clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 and jotted down the ages of their managers. 
 

“Exciting, young, head coach”

He’ll do.

Like the rest of our recruitment,

It's dart board and hope for the best,

8 hours ago, JP Hampton said:

And as I’ve said previously, I don’t remember seeing this, in fighting, even when we were losing games under NP?

The last time I recall witnessing it was under mcinnes towards the end of his time here

8 hours ago, JP Hampton said:

And as I’ve said previously, I don’t remember seeing this, in fighting, even when we were losing games under NP?

The last time I recall witnessing it was under mcinnes towards the end of his time here

8 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Decent article as usual, worth a look. 

I liked this bit, and it was sort of something I said yesterday. We didn't play badly because of players playing badly, we played badly because of HOW we are playing. 

You will undoubtedly steadfastly disagree with this statement, and I’ll completely understand why, but the strange thing about this game was that nobody played especially poorly; there were no clear mistakes, no moments of hair-brained decision-making or a lack of effort from the 16 individuals who took to the field at various times. It was just collectively the Robins kind of flatlined and couldn’t lift their performance above a deeply modest baseline.

Apparently Manning said about not having a kid filling the empty spots on the bench , 

“The academy have got a big week with the Youth Cup and it’s that balance,” Manning said. “We’ve taken the lads and had them train with us this week but in terms of momentum doing things like that, by taking them and knowing you possibly might not use them, what’s actually best for them? That was a decision that we made.”

Surely that's the case for any Sub , I know he does do some Subs by numbers ( 60mins Sub time ) but you can't say for definite what will happen in any game. As the U18s don't play until Thursday , would it really disrupt their week that much?

Obviously that didn't make any difference to the outcome, but it just annoys me when you see Embude on the bench having slightly less playing time in mens football than Yeboah.
Another thing I would question Manning for. 

Anyway , here's the whole thing.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-verdict-wrong-chemistry-9138788

 

Manning has lost the fans and players trust from the outside looking in,

He's continuing to blame his players and not look at his coaching methods

95% of the time it's the system/organisation that's the problem, not the people with in it

This bullshit starts at the top of the club, that needs to change now, no matter what they've done in the past, they've taken the club as far as they can and need to leave,

They lost the trust, once that's gone there is no way back

Positives from today

I didn't go I watched it on stream

That is all

Just now, Glasgow Red said:

I dont remember too many people at the time being upset with his sacking. We had been awful for months before. Just as bad if not worse than Mannings last 6 games. People need to learn to have perspective.

Fair, you did!

Alot were angry, because he didn't have backing, he had deals agreed with the likes of Harry Maguire only for the club to go back in because they thought why could get a better deal

Just now, Glasgow Red said:

Steve Cotterill was sacked because he was about to get us relegated from this division. The amazing League One season seems to alter peoples memory.

He had plenty of time and a transfer window to turn it around

Just now, Bristol Oil Services said:

We always appear to be trying to do what someone else did successfully elsewhere, without any success. A pale imitation of something that worked elsewhere. I don't think Jon, or Steve, or Brian have an original or unique football idea between them

Tinnion needs to go,

Lansdown needs to sell some of his stake in the club so he's no longer majority shareholders have 2 with 33% share and 1 with 34% share, make the board bigger

Rip up the current recruitment team and actually invest in a good one

11 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

 

He's not defending manning is he? 

Pearson was not a good manager and should have been let go at the end of the season not when he was.

What have you been smoking?

5 minutes ago, Harry said:

For the last few years, Bristol City FC has been attempting to create its own ‘model’. Their idea of the optimum way to run a football club to provide it with the best chance of success. 
 

The ‘Model’ is supposed to be one where everything at the club is ‘aligned’.
It says that all of our teams from the under 8’s through to the first team will play the same way. 
I’m not sure that’s quite such a good idea but hey ho. 
But the most crucial element for me is that the model says that the first team will play a certain way and that we have a ‘Technical Director’ to oversee this and ensure it’s on track and everything is aligned. 
 

Personally, at this level of football, I don’t think that works. 
The scene is such that, any manager coming into the club should be of a certain ‘type’ and conform to a certain set of principles. 
The club have created a philosophy (call it an identity if you like) as to how they want to play football and any manager should align (there’s that word again) with that. 
 

The Technical Director runs the recruitment side of the business. 
He determines what players we sign and what manager and coaches we sign. He will try to conform to the club principles and appoint managers and coaches who will ‘fit’ and sign players who will ‘fit’. 
 

We see this sort of model at the top end of the game. Many of the biggest clubs run on a Director of Football type of model, where the manager has only limited say in the player recruitment and is basically just tasked with getting on with it, with the rather expensive tools he is provided. 
 

This doesn’t work at our level. We see this in all it’s gory (yes, not glory) with the Tinnion/Manning appointment. 
 

We have a club philosophy that desires to play in a certain way and players have been signed to attempt to slot into that style. 
We now have a manager who has been appointed who clearly likes to adopt a very different philosophy. 
I don’t blame Manning for this. We approached him. He didn’t apply for this job. He had a clear and evident CV, a body of work behind him, that was obvious to anyone who bothered to look that was at odds with our own club model. 
 

Furthermore, this new manager, whilst not having players who can play his way, doesn’t have very much say in how to fix this. 
His first transfer window and we make 4 permanent signings - 3 of which we wanted before the new manager got here. So the new manager arrives, doesn’t have players he wants and then the ‘club model’ signs 3 players that ‘the club model’ wanted. 
 

This is a huge issue for me. We are attempting to recreate models that have had success at places like Brighton, Brentford and even bloody Luton. But whilst those clubs had certain recruitment models, they didn’t dictate a ‘playing philosophy’ throughout the club. They just had very thorough and clever scouting and recruitment modelling. It didn’t dictate the playing style. Whenever there was a manager change the new boss still has his own free reign in terms of how he played and the recruitment model would then have to ‘align’ with the managers philosophy - not the other way round. 
 

When Dean Smith took over from Mark Warburton, he did things differently and they recruited accordingly. Likewise when Frank then took over from Smith, he had different philosophies on pressing, defensive positioning, midfield solidity etc. and the club then recruited accordingly. 
Luton played a certain way under Jones, but when Edwards arrived he harnessed what was already good but brought his own style to it and the club then recruited accordingly. 
 

What we have at Bristol City is a dictatorial model, whereby the Technical Director and Recruitment Team have defined a model and anyone that arrives at the club must buy-in to that model. There is no wavering. Yes, a new manager might have a bit of a say in some signings but generally they are targeted based on our defined modelling. 

Surely it’s obvious to anyone that this just doesn’t work. The talk of ‘everything at this club is aligned, from the under 8’s to the first team’ is just a false platitude. It’s a strapline that they think is clever “hey look at us, we’ve got an identify and model, we’re unique”.

That might work well at Barcelona or Man City but it’s pointless in the championship. It’s not what will actually bring success on the pitch. 
 

To achieve success on the pitch at this level you need a manager who is allowed to run the first team in his own way. Who won’t be dictated to by inferiors who spout about an identity and an alignment throughout the club. 

It’s time for Manning to depart, in my opinion, but it’s also time for the club to drop the nonsense and stop acting like a billy big bollox. The club think that they have a clever way of doing things and that it’s the only way of separating themselves from the challenging division we are in. 
It’s not clever. It’s nonsense. Drop the bullcrap. 
 

The way to achieve success was evident to us a few years ago when a man called Steve Cotterill was appointed. I wasn’t his biggest fan when he got here, and I also think the time was right for him to go, but the period he was here, there is no denying that he’s been the only manager in recent years that’s done things his own way and said “balls” to the ownership and ‘model’. 
Cotterill worked with an experienced Chief Scout and identified the best available players and signed them to fit a way of playing that HE wanted. 
None of this “we’re all aligned from the u8’s to the tea lady”. 
Just an experienced manager with an experienced chief scout, putting together a squad that would play to the managers identity, not the clubs identity. 
 

It’s time to ditch the bullshit. 
Get out there and employ a manager with cahuna’s, one with a CV that demands respect from his players, let him bring in the players that HE wants, not players that the ‘club’ have targeted for the last few windows. Let him put his own team together to play the way that HE wants. 
 

The current model stinks. There are people in positions of authority that have real negative impact on this club who are not fit for purpose. 
We need a board of directors who can appoint a respected manager, who in turn will be empowered to bring in his own trusted recruitment team or chief scout, sign his own players and have zero meddling from unqualified  nobodies. 
 

Our model is shit. And we will get nowhere with it. 

I disagree Harry we aren't trying to create our own model, we are copying Brentford, then when that didn't work we copy Luton, when that doesn't work we'll copy someone else,

There is no strategic thinking,

What's going on reeks of tinnion, the same thing happened under his reign,

He needs to go ans an actual technical director with no history at this club needs to come in

I believe this is now a relegation battle, yes

1 hour ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Was just looking through twitter and a thread where our friend Ian G was making an excuse for only having 7 subs. Said it was Manning sending messages to the board. However somebody on the thread said that Matty James is not injured and inferred that if he made 1 more appearance it would trigger a 1 year extension to his contract.

Anybody know if there is any truth in this ?

Ian g is talking utter horseshit again,

Why send a message when you can do absolutely nothing about it, if only we had some young player who's made appearances in the first team to sit on the bench........

17 minutes ago, Lord Northski said:

Regardless of the ability to continue using split frequencies like they do for commentary. No phone in after the match and an opportunity for the fans to have their say. They have a commentary team at the ground and we're forced to listen to flipping Yeovil town. This is all because nobody at Radio Bristol has enough nouse to do anything about this. Its the same every week. 

Apparently a phone in at 5pm, by which time the moment will be lost. Sort yourself out Radio Bristol, do better.

 

 

They won't have a phone in while live commentary of the other team is on, ita always been like that

11 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Then we’re sleepwalking through stagnation into relegation.

We've stagnated for almost 10 years now, we are sleepwalking into relegation however, results go against us today and we are only 6 points clear

4 minutes ago, Aipearcey said:

Exactly, they’re not his players and they don’t suit his style of play. So why the f*#k does he keep trying to make them play it?!? Play in a way that suits the players and try and grind a few results out, but no he’s too pigheaded to do anything other than the way he wants regardless of the results.

The only time we performed or played well is when we had to revert to pearsons style of fast counter attacking football

Ridiculous post, deserve all the laugh faces it gets, top clickbaiting 

27 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Yes, when Lansdown acts.

Lansdown is not going to qct, the only time he will act is if crowds significantly drop, or season ticket holders or relegation

Can we stop this after every game please

10 hours ago, RollsRoyce said:

Manning said he saw him play many times for Man City U21 last season . Said he was one of the best players . It seems he is a Manning suggested signing . So I guess it was a loan based on data and Manning extensively scouting him . Maybe not someone on our radar without Manning . 

He came through at the same time as Liam delap Tommy Doyle and Shea Charles, LM was obviously watching the wrong player if he thinks this lad was their best,

It was a panic signing, nothing more nothing less, he doesn't add anything to the team that we didn't already have

This is a none story

Would rather him play uncompetitive under 18 or under 21 football, or competitive men's football at a decent level in a team fighting for promotion,

Going out on loan to the likes of Bath didn't do Joe Bryan, Bobby Reid, Tommy Conway any harm, in fact it greatly aided their development,

There are many things to beat manning, the club and tinnion with, this is not one of them