TRL

That outcome did not surprise meat all, he has always been a slugger that seems to be looking at the next fight rather than the fight he is currently in. Granted great shot which was probably looking like a body shot before it took his head off.

Same old Dillian, all mouth focusing on the next fight

7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Business’s are opening again. People are going to work whether they can socially distance or not. Why shouldn’t footballers go to work if other employees are? 

Where people cannot be 2m apart, manage transmission risk

Where it’s not possible for people to be 2m apart, you should do everything practical to manage the transmission risk by:

• considering whether an activity needs to continue for the business to operate

 

A football business can not operate without its players. 

Does a pub need staff to operate? Does a pub need to be open to operate? Yes? Why aren't they open if they can put in 2m social distancing measures? 

I could run through this process for every other business that are not currently allowed to open.

At the very least you wont be man handling your employees spitting in their vicinity and sweating all over them to carry out your job role!

But for some reason this businesses are still closed.  I am guessing because transmission could be an issue!! 

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'm sure no expense spared to make the environment for players as safe as possible.

Twice weekly tests? Check. No spitting? I am sure that will be the case. Goal celebrations? Will have to change- and that's just I am sure a few of the many measures.

Still if players don't like it, they can always forego and I mean forgo not defer more of their wages. They can't have it all ways.

If you play sport to any level you cannot stop spitting you would choke.

Twice weekly test should be daily when in this close contact

There will be no expense spared as there is nothing they can do to make the 90 minutes on the pitch safer. Other than testing, which from various reports is having varied success in how quickly it picks up positive results.

If they dont want to play and forgo their salary fine but they shouldn't be castigated for refusing to play. If they are forced to play, catch covid19 and the worst happens, who will be up for the manslaughter charge? As that I can see will be bought against clubs if it were to happen.

This isn't about football or footballers, this is about taking very big risks in the current situation for money. It's not just the players that are taking the risk, it's the risk they then pose to their family. 

And again I refer back to the point it is flouting social distancing and flouting the training rules, why so different  for training than for the game? That is nonsensical and really tells you what it's all about.. 

Anyway that's my twopenneth I dont want to keep repeating myself so I'll bow out now

Be safe

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I was possibly a bit harsh but Germany has done very well in this pandemic- us, not so much.,

7-14 days isn't it? Yeah, ideal to hold fire but it resumed IIRC a fortnight ago and there seems to have been little yet. Still worth seeing in a few days but I thought it was 14 then it's so far so good at this stage...

I get that bit, but it's the same in Germany- I believe football will be one of the safer environments. In a stadium, in the air- not celebrating goals in the same way, no spitting surely- there will be steps taken.

Nonetheless the players have had quite an easy pandemic- so I can't get too sympathetic on some levels. The environment of a football match will be amongst the safest IMO.

My tone of irritation wasn't aimed at you so much, more at the thought that rather cossetted individuals would refuse in good numbers- when fans will not receive what they have paid for, deferral not cuts etc- feels like a lot of footballers have had it too easy.

I just find it bizarre to tell you the truth this is all about money and back handlers nothing to do with health.

The guidelines below seem to have been ripped up for money and maybe the mental wellbeing of the general public.. certainly not for the health or mental well being of the players involved.

Bullet point 1... it should really just end there, but go past that and the decision to play again is absurd!

The transmission risk will be massively higher for team games where spitting, bodily contact sweating and the like will be happening for most of the match in close contact. I mean they ate not allowed to do that in training! So why is it different in a match?

Where people cannot be 2m apart, manage transmission risk

Where it’s not possible for people to be 2m apart, you should do everything practical to manage the transmission risk by:

• considering whether an activity needs to continue for the business to operate
• keeping the activity time involved as short as possible
• using screens or barriers to separate people from each other
• using back-to-back or side-to-side working whenever possible
• staggering arrival and departure times
• reducing the number of people each person has contact with by using ‘fixed teams or partnering’

1 minute ago, Super said:

Are social distancing measures still in place in Germany?

Dunno and dont care to be honest germany is not the uk

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

No play- no pay!!

Yeah, the Bundesliga has been terribly beset by Covid 19.

Remind me the difference in rates of infection and deaths between uk and Germany. 

Apart from.that I await the incubation period before thinking it's been a success. They could start dropping like flies in a week!

And remind me again what the social distancing guidelines and measurement is again... for everyone?

******* crazy decision.

Everyone 2 metres apart please.. apart from footballers, get touch tight spit and sweat all over each other for 90 minutes. Noooo it's its perfectly safe it's nothing to do with money!

Awful decision. I hope there are lots of players who refuse to play.

35 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Fair enough. 

But it seems to me that there is no need to rush back football, yet many seem to want to do that.  Other professions mostly provide a useful service; football, at the end of the day, is just a source of entertainment. I'd argue that reopening a hairdressers or getting Mc-bloody-Donalds open, is a higher concern than getting football going again. 

I would go so far to say due to the close physical contact spotting shouting etc etc all those things where droplets from the mouth spread.. any team sport that involves close physical proximity and contact should be the very last "business" that should be going back to "normal" and that is without crowds.

Testing is fine up to the point it is taken.. you could be positive a few hours later.. it would be pretty obscene the amount of texting kits needed each week to facilitate football going back to business 

34 minutes ago, Super said:

Problem is a lot of people are saying this will probably come back at some stage then you are risking another unfinished season next year. Finish this one for me.

Yep add in to the worrying findings coming out of South Korea you would have to question how far down the line the season will restart.

One thing is for sure with no people in attendance. Player and staff coming out of furlough to play. A lot of teams will go bust without the attendances and furlough payments 

3 minutes ago, hodge said:

Pretty sure it already will, I can't see a pre-season for a 20/21 season starting in July even if 19/20 is scrapped. It honestly could just end up being a 19/20/21 season if we're potentially going to get a second wave as well

Might be easier starting a new season when ever that maybe with the current points totals then play through. Probably means the premier league is already won, but weirder things have happened 

5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Voiding it makes no sense to me.  One day it will be okay to play football again. Just finish it then.  

For me unless games start again very quickly. And I can't see that happening given the need for matchday staff as well as players and refs.. leading to unnecessary journeys.  It needs to be voided. Otherwise you need to do weird stuff to the next season to make it all fit in.. what ever that maybe, for me it would be better to bin off one season than let it effect 2.

My caveat would be you promote or relegate teams that were mathematically promoted or relegated at the cut off point of the voided season then change the promotion relegation spots the following season to get the amount. of teams back to the right amount the following season

In reality I think that is only going to affect 1 or 2 clubs further down the footballing pyramid..

I understand you stand point. It's a shit position to be in isn't it. I don't envy the people who need to make the decision.

33 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Lee Johnson spoke very well on Five Live this evening.  As usual.  When football kicks off again I think we will be ready and do well 

If this season does finish. And to be honest I couldn't give a rats arse if it does or doesn't. We could be in a good position, as over the past few seasons we have started seasons really well usually picking up many points in the first 10 games. This enforced break is like summer break then pre season... potentially we could finish the season off in good form if we follow the past 3 seasons start to a season.

Anyway enough of that. I still think this season should be voided given what's going on.

1 hour ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

I don’t agree with it, just saying according to the lawyer there is nothing a club can do to stop a player moving. A contract is a contract, clubs can’t have it both ways. 

You would hope any player that tried this on would become a pariah.

That said they would be bloody stupid, the finances in football could be changed for ever after this is all over. They could end up with no club and no employment as large squads become a thing of the past. Here is hoping. I think football could become better overall with a financial reset.  I just hope no clubs go to the wall.

4 hours ago, phantom said:

The players will all be checked and only those clear will be selected

Bloody disgrace if footballers are being checked ahead of  key workers. Seems money talks if this were to happen before every key worker had been tested

What a *****

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52091905

Maybe once contracted they could have a party at the dodery old ***** house!

2 hours ago, TRL said:

Jesus christ spelling standards in this country are woeful. I have many foreign friends who spell better than a lot of English natives.

 

If someone is going to take the piss make sure there is nothing they can come back with.

 

I'm thinking "prowed"

Anyway.. I may invest in one of those!

Nothing to see here. I've managed to quote myself. Doh!

11 minutes ago, phantom said:

Jesus christ spelling standards in this country are woeful. I have many foreign friends who spell better than a lot of English natives.

If someone is going to take the piss make sure there is nothing they come back with.

I'm thinking "prowed"

Anyway.. I may invest in one of those!

5 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said:

There is something that can be done and that's not to buy their kit... superpower or no superpower, you can't argue with peoples choices.

It's a bit like Coronavirus, it knows no boundaries, it does not care, it is not out there to get you but it does require an individual to be a muppet and not follow some basic rules.

Get individuals to drop China produced kit and encourage the government to do the same and soon enough, China will get the message. This is an ideal and it's not going to happen.

Hope everyone who wants to boycott China who owns a computer or phone  throw it in the bin and find one without parts made in China, and thats just from the tech side, now think of everything else you buy, and what component  parts of it comes from China.

Stupid strategy that would hurt us as well as them

Lets be realistic  you have no idea how many chinese components you have in your house.

We long since moved to service sector from manufacturing.  Horse/bolted

1 hour ago, Delta said:

You tarred an entire sector with the same brush.

If somebody has low tax returns, then naturally, they would only be entitled to minimal support.  However, currently, they don't even have that.

People always think the grass is greener on the other side.  Your view of the self-employed being some kind of Del boy figure with wads of cash in their pockets and under the floorboards being an example.

You should try living the life of the self-employed for a while.  My experience of them is that it's not so rosy - Certainly, many are not in the position to turn work down (to sit at home instead) because someone offers cash.  In fact, in this day and age, cash payments are becoming rarer and rarer as people realise the importance of keeping paper trails and proof of transfer of funds.

Many self-employed don't even have a choice - They are told that is how they are going to be employed by unscrupulous employers.  They work on zero hours contracts and don't enjoy many benefits and rights that others take for granted - Again, I urge you to try living that life for a while and see how you enjoy it.  Many will already have been told there is no work for them, no notice, no holiday pay, just dropped like a lead balloon with no income moving forward.

Taxi drivers are normally self-employed for example.  We all take them for granted - Pick up a phone and one appears to take us from A to B for a few pounds.  I dare say they don't declare all of their earnings.  I would go further and suggest that if they did, once running costs are factored in, they are more or less working for minimum wage, perhaps even less. 

Tax evasion is rife - From the pennies that the self employed don't declare, right up to the thousands of pounds that big businesses don't declare or the millionaire football manager who opens foreign bank accounts in the name of their dog.

Where have I tarred all self employed with the same brush.. I would revisit what I posted rather what you think I posted.

I know what self employed is, I have been there done that in the past and that is why the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name and hence it was aimed at them. 

27 minutes ago, Delta said:

I think you may be a bit confused here or maybe you don't know what you are talking about.

It is usually the case that the tax dodger is the person who is paying for the work "can you do it cheaper for cash guvnor?"

Naturally if there's a bit of VAT to evade along the way then so much the better.

In my experience, the self-employed person will be pressed to drop his rate in order to receive cash.  He is then faced with the prospect of paying tax on an underpaid job or keeping the whole amount which is more or less equal to the amount he would have ended up with if he'd have been paid the going rate.

I think you are doing the self-employed a terrible injustice.

I don't think you read my whole post or you would have read the part where I say those looking to pay cash in hand are just as culpable.

If someone is pushing the quote down and looking to offer cash for obvious reasons then the easy answer, don't accept the offer and insist on auditable payment. If everyone did that that the everyone would get paid a fair wage for a fair job without the unscrupulous undercutting. 

Anway i've made my point and it's only aimed at the cash in hand merchants, no one else.

1 hour ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Surely they know the tax returns for the self employed, just as the have the PAYE details for those on that.  I appreciate it isn't going to be a two minute job to collate all of that info and ensure the right people get it, but they have the info.  I assume if you don't PAYE or submit a tax return you are a pensioner or on benefit, so will get paid, if no records you would be part of the black economy, so won't get a bean

This is where self employed people (the dodgy ones , its cash in hand guvnor!) will have wished they had not taken those cash in hand jobs, off the books to save themselves some tax returns.

Now many are up in arms that they are not getting paid and or wont be getting paid much due to their tax returns.

My cousin is one of these tax Dodgers and he is screaming blue murder at the government, he hasn't mentioned the thousands upon thousands of pounds he hasn't paid in tax over the years, which he could of saved for such an event such as this (better still he would have paid the tax due) but instead spunked away on things he didn't need.

Yes you cannot tar all self employed people with the same brush, but their are a load out there that will have bought this misery on themselves and contributed in a small way to bringing this country to its knees buy reducing funding for key services.

And those who pay for jobs cash in hand should also take a look at themselves.. also contributing the reduction of funding to key services.  Of gunding of public services themselves has been mismanaged for years, but that is another debate.

Some self employed  people.... Sow what reap you..... rearrange.

I genuinely feel sorry for all those that have complied with tax laws and hope you get your money very soon.

3 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Cat's don't listen to idiots like Boris Johnson

Cats don't listen to anyone! Unless the words they hear are dinner or something similar

2 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

Should you make the trip get in touch. Our cats are possibly close relatives

Oh to be a cat right now. As always, cats don't give two ***** about anything.

Did I just hear that right on sky news. Easy jet going cap in hand to government for money to stay afloat.. but still paying a massive dividend payout to shareholders!  Really Jesus ******* Christ how the hell can they justify that!

1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I hope I get a bloody knighthood after all this has passed,Sir Joe Jordan’s teeth has a ring to it 

What will happen is they will say thanks, then either do 1 of 3 things. Make us unemployed as the economy is screwed,  reduce our salary because the economy is screwed or keep us under austerity measures that we have been under for years because the economy is screwed.. But that's okay  because you can sit in a crowded un sanitised office making sure people get paid and get their pensions or research Grant's while they buy up all the food while you are at work or dont take any of it seriously.

I have got to say I am getting pretty pissed off with some of the behaviour I am seeing