Silvio Dante

I think the problem is in your last paragraph - to expand “we are quite clearly trying to play football” We may be. But it’s a football that a large number of people find negative and boring. It’s down to personal preference but you can’t knock people for not liking it - so null We have a young manager, I’m not sure why this matters. Bas Savage was shit at 18 and 28, I’ve no doubt he’ll be shit at 48. If he’s good enough he’s old enough but being young isn’t a qualification unless you want to shag Leonardo DiCaprio We are signing young hungry players, I agree with this. And I liked our January window bar Twine (And in hindsight Medube), but most of the players are punts. And this isn’t some sea change from Pearson. We are developing our own players. But this is. Since Liam came on board we’ve seen Jamie Knight Lebel have 40 minutes - and that’s it. He’s not filling the bench, academy players minutes have gone down. The academy who have played were established before he got here. And our most saleable asset in Conway has gone backwards, This is nonsense. Actually quite weird that some on here (and it really is just on here ) don’t seem to want to get behind the a club and team? Weird. But we all do. The difference is between blindly following and appropriately questioning. That’s all this is.

I note you didn’t answer 1… I note you didn’t comment on all aspects of 2… I note that working for someone is not really the best arbiter of someone’s trustworthiness as you have a vested interest… Other than that, 10/10 - no notes.

To be fair, there are two angles. Let’s say you knew someone who had been employed by Lloyds Bank. Did a decent job on the tills for 10 years, was promoted to team leader and failed. Left, came back and became a trainer - did a decent job, was promoted to chief executive. Would you be happy with that appointment, and if it then became apparent that he wasn’t doing particularly well in that job, would you use their years of counter service for which they got well paid as a reason to shield them from criticism? The second angle is that it is known that Tinnion manoeuvred against Wilson. It’s known that Tinnion lied about Medube. It’s widely believed that Tinnion was the “King” source. There is a pattern of him being untrustworthy. How comfortable, morally, are you with a proven liar being in a position of influence at the club? Thats not hunting for witches. It’s just logic.

To be fair if you view Twine as Weimanns replacement it’s not - but leaving Weimann out is a stretch! Ive added Williams and Naismith to my initial post. I remember turning up to Cov and hearing JW had been injured in training. Its way off and the list is just a bit nonsense.

Bit selective there mate. You haven’t mentioned McCrorie who Pearson was without the whole tenure. He was also without Weimann (so Twine equivalent) for a sustained period. Liams been without Pring for three games (arguably should have been four) - one suspension, one injury. If you’re counting that you also have to count Dickie as a miss for Pearson as he was banned for a game! And if we’re on sole games, then you can even add in Scott… Nige was also without Tanner for a period. And that’s just off the top of my head. Edit: I’m also sure Joe Williams was missing from Cov onwards under Nige and Naismith was also out for a period so it’s even more pronounced! it’s madness to suggest that he hasn’t had better squad availability. He has. And leaving out players as you have from one list and adding 1-2 game misses to another is a bit disingenuous- intentionally or otherwise

Might not be fanciful. Remember a certain member of a certain podcast is being fed information by a certain Tecknikal director of a certain football club. And that certain member of a certain podcast was certain about certain players being certain to return to the squad on a certain date. Certainly worth considering….

Just look at that nose! It looks like it’s been broken and not reset 700 times! Don’t really remember him as a player as a bit before my time but his Saints sides as a manager were pretty good RIP

I think this is the thing isn’t it - everyone has to start somewhere? An irony here is that if this was Liams first job straight out of CFG there wouldn’t be as much doubt - it’s the sketchy record lower down which has set alarm bells ringing for some. What King would have that Liam doesn’t seem to is a good network of experienced managers (yes, such as Nige) to bounce off. When Liam was asked about his influences it was people like Brian Klug, Steve Foley, Peter Trevivan - good, coaching men but not managers. Myself and @Davefevs have debated whether Liam could use some experienced help to guide him but I think he’s probably too single minded and sure of his processes to want that, and he’s not really got anyone that I know of who has done it “in the game” to help him. So, it’s not a ridiculous shout as a caretaker. It won’t happen IMO, but I’m not sure the argument of Liam has more experience is as black and white - and it’s not about being a City fan either.

He’s taking it well.

I think what you have to remember is that on the side of any bias (and hes a damn good journo), Piercy will naturally show a touch of bias towards the club. He has working relationships with these people, he wants to see them succeed - but more importantly they’re how he makes his living. Earlier this season the Rovers Bristol Live correspondent was banned by Barton. With how tender the club seem to be to any criticism I can’t blame him for walking the tightrope and although he errs a touch too much towards the glass half full side overall I think he does it pretty well.

To be fair, if it’s our right wing and Mehmeti’s playing there I don’t expect them to start anything.

Mate. This has been covered so many times that if youve spent any time on the forum you know. Pleading ignorance because in your opinion he’s been a great servant to the club is not a good look.

Yep, as opposed to your missus leaving you because you’re crap in bed, it’s more akin to you having an acceptable but unspectacular sex life, a few ups and downs in the relationship but enough for optimism towards a bright future then your missus’s dad stopping her from seeing you, and you being forced into a relationship with a boring girl that was less exciting. Or something like that. (Either way the first girls not coming back)

I’ve said before there are two people I really want to hear from: - Phil Alexander. Because for the premier league CEO of the year to come and go so quickly having come in on personal recommendation from Scudamore is odd in the extreme. You don’t go from needing someone of that calibre to not needing to replace them. I want the story - Chris Hogg. Because I refuse to believe that he’s not some elaborate “Weekend At Bernie’s” stunt based on his interaction and movement in the 4 months at the club!

The problem is that he’s still banned under his other aliases and IP addresses. It’s not like he’s been unbanned so is allowed to come back, he’s instead willingly and deliberately signed up again. And then says it’s shite and wants to leave. Just a strange, strange man.

To be fair, he gave four other managers not three. You could add Duff into that as well so we’ve got five clubs at this level (and none of them Watford, bizarrely) acting within short timeframes. And as Edwards beat us, it’s pretty damning that’s not seen as a decent result! The facts are that each scenario is different. Manning should be judged on where the club was when he came in, where we are now and likely trajectory based on what we’ve seen. It looks poor based on that. The broader fact is that the average tenure for a manager at this level is just over a year, and Liams never lasted even a season and a half at a job. On that basis he’s 33-50% minimum through his expected time here (which will please some!) so reviewing is absolutely sensible. Calling for Pearson back, however romantic that would be to some, however is not in view of all the other things that would have to and won’t happen for it to occur.

Not always.

As said earlier, probably fair. Although I say end of season as the break point we will know before then if it’s likely to work and should then act earlier. I in no way want it to happen but in a lot of ways losing the next 5/6/7 games playing badly may be the best thing long term if it forces the issue to a quicker head. Equally I’d be delighted if we won the next 5/6/7 while playing well as that should settle the issue in a positive way.

To be fair, Liam himself said in his post match after Boro that he’s not comfortable doing the fist pump (and it’s the forced one post game as opposed to the instinctive goal celebration). He also said at Oxford he didn’t like doing it. That certainly plays to it being a “forced” behaviour, as again, does his comment of “I’ll bounce when we achieve something” which more belies that he wants to celebrate when there is something to celebrate. I actually do feel sorry for him on that as well - I’d rather he didn’t do it if it makes him uncomfortable and focuses on what’s important. But he’s doing it because he’s “supposed” to. It’s a little thing but to suggest it’s being picked on as being forced when he himself has said pretty much the same is off the mark.

Yeah I think that’s reasonsable. I’m saying until the summer currently as that is the “natural” break point but equally think that if we continue as we are for (say) the next 8 games then even a barnstorming last 4 won’t make the difference so agree you go earlier. If I was pushed to decide now, I’d get rid. In realistic terms I think he probably needs a consistent upswing (not results but on all the things we’ve all been discussing) in the next five games, which are all difficult in their own way. Either way the time is running out IMO.

The fist pump thing I think looks like an awkward bloke trying to make a connection. It’s like when you have a manager in work trying to enforce “fun” - it looks unnatural because it is. The real Liam was seen in his “I’ll ****ing bounce when we win something” - he’s not enamoured with a single win to go mental fist pumping, he’s doing it because it’s the done thing - he wants to actually celebrate when a meaningful job is done (and the club should have left that clip up as it humanised him). It’s regrettably another example of following the big book of how to be a football manager.

I read it as “Lemming” Lemmings senselessly follow a process and eventually often succumb to their death by doing so, walking off cliffs because they are supposed to do so even though it’s clearly the wrong thing. I don’t know why, but it seems a pretty apt name for our head coach.

To be fair, it’s an argument that has been made on here (particularly against @W-S-M Seagull). I find it quite bizarre that those who seem very defensive of LM are the first to bring Pearson up. I’ve been quite clear in my position - I wouldn’t have sacked Nige, but my concerns with Liam are over him and him alone, not because he’s not Nige. He did take over a good position to be in. He is failing. That’s on him, and him alone - but make that point and very often you’ll see someone bring up Nige. When the people “defending” Liam can’t do so on his own performance and do so by conflating with a non comparable scenario, then it’s fair to say the jig is pretty much up.

Mate - don’t feed the troll. When someone is belittling the forum then posts loads on it, and creates multiple IDs when he’s banned to engage in said forum, it’s pretty clear he needs sex/beer/friends and by engaging you’re only showing him the futility of his own life.

As ever Dog/Lez/Londoner, if it’s that unimportant feel free to leave and not post again, it’s not as if you add any value to this forum or life in general.