Fuber

Instead of the same names being banded about - how about going the European route, ala Kompany, Wagner, Farke, etc?

3 hours ago, Pezo said:

But wasn't that recruitment, we've just publicly said how good it is having Tinnion doing that following his success with the academy, are we going to now say that was a mistake before a single transfer window?

Recruitment was Walsh - CS was Nige's assistant at Hull and Leicester.

18 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Dave, you continue to portray a terrible situation. Pretty much EVERY other club in the division is in a similar situation. 

Gould claims we have a top 10 wage budget. We have paid fees for a few players.

We are close to FFP failure due to covid. Lots of other clubs in the same situation. 

IMO, and also in the view of Swiss Ramble etc, LJ had a lower wage bill but achieved top half twice. 

Mark Robins at Coventry. Gary Rowett at Millwall. Blackburn, QPR, Preston... 

We should be doing better.

When did LJ have a lower wage budget?

37 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Get Roy Keane in!

Rather him than Scott Parker tbh.

Keane would keep it simple, effective, and if anyone doesn't give 100% I'd rather not be in their show.

31 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Today’s ‘performance’ has lowered the transfer fees for our ‘star’players

As Tesco say, every little helps!

5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Hasn’t Pearson just said there is money to spend this January?

I'm fully expecting one of Semenyo/Scott and/or Massengo to go.

My patience has finally run out.

Sorry Nige, it's hasn't worked. The performances are no where near where they need to be.

It's just typical championship officiating.

9 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Battered them is a bit of an exaggeration… we were the better side for sure but not sure we really created an extraordinary amount of chances.

To be fair. They didn't even have a shot on target which speaks volumes imo.

On 10/11/2022 at 19:52, RedHienz said:

Oh right it's all Steve's fault! Thanks for cleaning that one up. 

Didn't realise people still necked 3litres of cider on a Thursday.

Our best upwards trajectory aside from GJ was under the period he nor Jon were chairman , under Keith Dawe.

I think that speaks volumes.

2 hours ago, RedM said:

I think its more to do with Gould leaving in Jan. Tins now does recruitment and the new person, or person within, will do purely finance

Think this is probably accurate, a devolved structure under the chairman most likely, thereby probably meaning Gould slowly stepping back with the financials being hand over to another figure yet to be hired or one of the club directors short term.

Although my query would be, who does this make head of youth development now? - usually a technical director (such as the likes of Ashworth) are not hands on with the academy. I may be being daft and forgetting something.

17 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

How on earth are we supposed to know what/who is a realistic option? This is just not within our knowledge and anyone who states that they know what SL can or can't fund is guessing. Obviously the exception is that a hugely successful Premiership Manager ( or similar) is not possible.

Mark Robins may be possible but only SL/the board will know this.

For all those saying City are a basket case clearly haven't been to our stadium or Training centre or are unable to appreciate the work in the Academy. Or the amount of fans who usually turn up and the extra amount who make a showing when we are doing ok to well. We're a goo

19 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

How on earth are we supposed to know what/who is a realistic option? This is just not within our knowledge and anyone who states that they know what SL can or can't fund is guessing. Obviously the exception is that a hugely successful Premiership Manager ( or similar) is not possible.

Mark Robins may be possible but only SL/the board will know this.

For all those saying City are a basket case clearly haven't been to our stadium or Training centre or are unable to appreciate the work in the Academy. Or the amount of fans who usually turn up and the extra amount who make a showing when we are doing ok to well. We're a good club and a quick look at most Championship Clubs will confirm this. Our plight to stick within FFP whilst reducing losses is no different to most clubs who aren't getting PP.

SL has been and is a good owner and has built a solid club with his own personal money. Should he decide it's time for a change then there will be some willing candidates but the rest is entirely speculation. In the case of those maintaining that the only possible man for the job remains Nigel Pearson are delusional.

 

d club and a quick look at most Championship Clubs will confirm this. Our plight to stick within FFP whilst reducing losses is no different to most clubs who aren't getting PP.

SL has been and is a good owner and has built a solid club with his own personal money. Should he decide it's time for a change then there will be some willing candidates but the rest is entirely speculation. In the case of those maintaining that the only possible man for the job remains Nigel Pearson are delusional.

 

I just don't see it M. It's a matter of opinion ultimately, so we may have to respectfully disagree, in this instance at least.

No other club had year on year spending increases that we did relative to turnover under MA (2017-2020) - all singularly down to lack of owner oversight, irrespective of the overall FFP impact on other clubs.

The worst aspect of it, for me, is it's repeating the exact same mistakes of the end of the GJ through O'Driscoll era. The only thing the same now to then is our ownership and complete lack of direction. Cotts (and Burt) worked wonders, right people, right time. Different chairman (god bless Keith Dawe).

Fan numbers while great, ultimately don't have a huge impact (Luton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Watford, QPR).

Training Facilities (which aren't that great in the grander scheme of things) and Academy mean nothing, unless they save us from a relegation battle short term - which hasnt worked so far, nor the past 18 months. The latter will likely just help bring us back to financial stability (i.e. if we sell Scott), and it's not to dissimilar to some other clubs' output (Reading, Blackburn, Norwich, West Brom). Its more where our Academy output previously (pre Bryan/Reid) was completely woeful, by comparison, so at least the increase in output in itself is fantastic, however - we were playing catch-up in the first instance.

There is one word that describes our clubs ownership.

Amateurish.

There are clubs worse than us, i.e. Reading and Huddersfield among others, but plenty more are better run from an FFP and ownership standpoint taking into account clubs size and consistency (Preston, Luton, Blackburn, QPR, Swansea, Millwall, etc).

2 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Hahaha! It's YOUR list- you decided who was on it. So others have mentioned Mark Robins and Steven Schumaker yet they dont appear and would be seemingly obvious should SL call it a day with Nige.

The fact that you produce your own  list, call it depressing and then say it shows that people who want NP out need to consider (your) alternatives is just an agenda.

Any genuine fan will have wanted NP to succeed- hell, no matter who is appointed  surely any regular fan who attend matches want success even if it's Tiny Pulis .

The fact is , in his third season associated with BCFC, over 80 matches at the helm and a poor return with little evidence of progression any other Manager would have already gone. Although the poll represents a tiny tiny tiny % of fans who actually attend matches- almost 70% want someone else so that says a great deal of where we are if it translates to the wider fan base.

I also asked for realistic options.

Give me, at least, a counter-reason as to why Robins would be realistic. I don't see him leaving Coventry for us nor us affording his compensation, nor him moving to another clubs, unless they're more stable (financial and cultural) than Cov - such as Luton if Jones leaves. I don't consider is to be in that bracket due to our owner actively looking for investment/sale and our FFP situ.

As for Schumacher - I meant to add him in the first place and I've not spotted posts mentioning him, so that's on me, will add him now.

All the managers listed above are (albeit only very slightly in some cases) realistic because at minimum they're at least free agents (where their wages at their two previous jobs weren't hugely above what NP should be on), in League 1 if employed (ergo lower compensation), rumoured to be leaving current roles, or in a coaching/assistant role if in a division above/= to us.

28 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Really disappointed Dyche isn’t on the list.

I mean if we are going to seriously think Gerrard or Wilder would be interested then let’s go completely unrealistic.

The latter two are at least at lower stock than Dyche with regards to current reputation. Question marks around SG without Beale, and Wilder's had a shocking past 18 months.

Latter whom's wage is much closer to NP wage-wise at the very least.

Considering Gerrard is ultimately the least realistic due to the salary he was on with Villa, I'll remove him as an option.

33 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

One day we will change manager, of course. But this moment , right now, we are not yet through the reset and rebuild phase, we are another 6 months away from point where we can reset. That might then be a point where the club and Nige reflect. Does he want to follow that rebuild through (12/13 players out of contract, all the big earners gone, some salary space to sign a balanced squad) , in that case he also has to commit going forward, or the club takes a new direction, having got through a financial melt down, and put in place the basis for the next steps and cleared out and set up the club for a more professional and financially viable future. Now is most certainly not the time to be playing with fire and the managerial lottery game. We are simply not in the position to attract the next coach the club needs whilst we have the squad issues we have. As I say, next summer is a conversation. If Nige has kept us in the Championship these three seasons, halved the wage bill , unloaded all the dead weights and over paid players, and set the club up with a strong youth development link , some great youth players with great potential, an off the field structure that has an idea of what the Prem might look like, he will have done an exceptional job, and saved us from a L1 total melt down. (which would have been our historical result). But Nige may or may not want to carry on, who knows. Then and only then can you start to attract a coach/manager of quality. But it should also be recalled, that new FFP and maybe new owners will not be funding £20m to £40 m losses, the new football reality will see dramatically lower wages being paid, few if any transfer fees and a very different future (IMHO for the better) for Championship teams. So there will be no big spending sprees to get to the Prem, it will be all about exceptional scouting and recruitment and exceptional youth development. 

Agree with all of the above. Just interested in wider opinions if the worst happens.

Unfortunately can no longer edit... So stuck as is.

4 minutes ago, PeterStyvarsRightFoot said:

pep ljinders.....

Think the compensation would make that near impossible. Unless there is a waiver clause for a managerial role for a percentage of salary/comp. Added.

3 minutes ago, jtc1 said:

Mark Robins

Unlikely. He said before the last time he left it was a mistake. Coventry also won't consider letting him speak to a rival so doubt we could afford the compensation.

4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Two missing voting options

None of the above

Nigel Pearson

Added.

9 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Hate to say it but warnock to give em a kick up the arse... 

Despite how much I shivered reading his name in my head Archie. Added.

9 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Depressing list

Agreed - but it's what people who want Nige out do need to consider. Same for those of use that want him to succeed, as the current form isn't sustainable - and the wider fanbase outside of Otib aren't as understanding of the constraints of the club at this moment.

6 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Chose Wilder, but Rob Edwards also in my thinking. 

Aggressively left-field shout is Jonas Eidevall. If he wanted a ticket into the mens game, I think it'd be an exciting move. 

Added him Gav. All options count!

Simple question. Apologies in advance for yet another thread, but just interested in the numbers aspect.

To preface this - I'm still currently on the fence. However, I'm interested in who people would want to replace NP in the worst case scenario and he walks, or is sacked.

Even I accept recent results and some performances have been simply unacceptable recently.

So, ignoring the FFP implications of the above aside, who would people want? If any names people want added just let me know.

24 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Please just for once, let him be correct! 

Wouldn't be so sure on that. Some of the talk out of Saint Mary's with the player culture sound like LJ mkII - he also sounded out retiring when his contract ended.

Just now, Bs4Red said:

Pretty sure if you read I clearly say he’s out of reach but I was likening someone of that ilk who has a track record of success on a shoestring budget

Was more towards the fact you mentioned you thought he wouldn't cost too much more than NP.

Pearson Salary in the prem at Leicester was factored to be somewhere around £750kpa, £550kp at Derby, if you believe some tabloids.

By comparison Dyche was on circa £2.5-3.0mpa.

Wilder - further comparison, mooted figure of £675kpa in the EPL. Sportgrail mention a clause up to £1.5mpa but dont specify what said clause was or if activated.

54 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Obviously if you could lure somebody like Dyche, he’s the oracle of working with a shoestring budget and managing to be successful.

Don’t think he’s cost much more than NP is on but at the same time is out of our reach. 
 

Ducking what? You think we'd afford Dyche, let alone him entertain the thought of coming here?

Better question is whether we can afford to sack NP in the first place.

Sweet ****ing Lord. I didn't realise we were that deluded.

1 minute ago, OliOTIB said:

 

Mark vanishes whenever we do well and has been knives out for Nige after the half season of the mess he inherited.

If you if ignore the first season - which no manager would have managed any better with a squad already on holiday and a toxic culture - it's closer to 33-34%.

By no means great, but the last City manager with the same remit (wage cutting - and no where near as stark a proportion) saw us Relegated.

Nige very well may get sacked - but I point the overall finger at the Board.

No point having the money if you blow it multiple times bloating the wage bill with sh*te. This isn't the first rodeo under SL.

39 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

Gary O’Neill isn’t getting the Bournemouth job… we could get him in quickly i’m sure.  

He'd get PTSD of Rolls in his head the minute he walks into the treatment room to talk to our defenders.

3 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Sometimes a typo can be more appropriate than the word it replaced!

Indeed.

18 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Based on what..? Which of NP's signings give you any confidence that he'd have done much better with those funds at his disposal..? 

Yes, obviously I know he's been limited with transfer funds - but the OOC market is massive now & all summer we were told we'd got the players that he wanted. 

Some clubs are going to get the likes of Wells, Massengo, Bentley, Dasilva, Kalas off us for free, in the not too distant future. 

Does his record here give you any confidence that he's going to improve on what we've got here at the moment..? 

- Atkinson. The only player signd for fee in his tenure, bought for the same figure as O'Dowda, Engvall, and humorous other examples of failed LJ/MA signings.

- We're cutting wages still. Ergo we can't beat out teams with lesser overheads. Other teams did this process years ago, such as QPR.

- Good riddance to all of them. None of whom are (ultimately) value for money and on bloated wages, or, in HNMs case, doesn't want to be here. As proven by O'Leary, Vyner, Conway, and Pring, there's much better value out there. I.e. If you believe available sources, Bents is on 3x what Max is.

The only one of them I'd keep, on greatly reduced terms, is Wells. I cant say I'd be sad to see the rest leave whatsoever. I'd try getting rid of Kalas and Bents for free in Jan, if it meant we could get a couple of loans in on lesser wages.