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13 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yes I typed too quick. Of course he has changed the culture and when he speaks about problems with the club and solutions they make lots of sense. There is a lot to like about NP. 
 

As you said though, it is on Saturday where he can’t get it right. And while I agree the finances have set us back, think we have signed enough under NP he should be getting more out of the players he has. Even if a couple players out.
 

Also, this should be the comfortable season. Our 2 best players are seemingly is their last season with us. Semenyo has only a year left after this season. As said, his sale will be vital for the finances. Then Scott we have control of but how do we match his ambition? This season might fly as he is playing mens football for the second straight season but will he be ok to struggle with us again if prem clubs are calling? If there is little enjoyment this season, what are we holding onto next season? 

Agreed, It's an annoyance - as Nige has the analysis downpat - he knows what we need.

We just have no way to obtain those jigsaw pieces, and we only stand to lose more of those we hold.

This window we simply need a RCB CM and ST.

Most of the signings (barring an error from Kal) have looked good - I can see the idea behind the likes of Sykes, Naismith, Wilson.

The problem is that there are certain players (Martin, Massengo/James, Vyner) where we need to upgrade, but simply can't until we trade out.

It is what it is.

37 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

You’ll get loads of stick but how many goals have we conceded since he has been here? 60 odd league games now still same problems. Bloke is clueless and getting credit for a squad purge that would have happened either way. Culture changed? Maybe but still a loser mentality. 
 

I don’t have it in me to argue about it all night. It is my opinion and I respect those that disagree. I don’t think the Kalas and Semenyo losses should be this impactful through 2 games. I am just so tired of watching us be second best in every game for most of the game. We have odd spells where we look great but we never sustain it. 

If think the cultures improved.

The problem is lack of investment due to FFP. See Ipswich under McCarthy as a comparison.

The millions spent on high salaries is punishing us now, no other clubs misspent with regards to turnover as much as we did. Even now with Kalas injured and Wells on the bench you're talking upwards of £2m per season for zero return.

I think we may need to sell Scott and reinvest.

Honestly - I'm not seeing much of a way out of this unless we implement a complete system integrator (i.e. Bielsa, Martin (Swansea), Evans (Bolton)). The one thing Nigel lacks is tactical knowledge. He's great at delegation and man management, but without his foil (Shakespeare) he's limited.

2 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Priority position is a new right centre back. 

I was going to give Vyner some credit during the first half. But my word that defending for their second goal is criminal. 

He looked as though his feet were trapped in cement. Made no effort to get to the ball. 

Far too inconsistent to be a championship regular. 

 

Overall I felt we gave it a good go. In possession we look like a top half championship club. Out of position a bottom half club. 

Too keen to play out from the back for the first go. I feel that Bentley shouldn't be giving the ball to Naismith there to begin with. But Bentley was solid throughout, not alot he could do for the goals. 

Alex Scott was a step above. If the Prem Vultures aren't circling already, they might well be after that performance. He controls the game so well. 

Disagree with the bold.

Put Naismith under unnecessary pressure for the first, and three times the ball has gone wide to Wingbacks with no momentum gained, just needs to go long. Sunderland looked to counter press wing backs at every opportunity.

Will add other was played worse today (Massengo, Vyner, Martin), just overall a not good performance.

Can't even have a go at the ref - thought Stroud was solid this afternoon.

Based on that performance:

- Need Jamo fit.

- Wouldn't miss Bents.

- Need a Striker, at least.

- Vyner should have been let go.

2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

There was contact.

 

Doesn't matter. If he immediately went down, no argument, penalty.

He take two full steps and staggered to the floor with the goal in front him. It's not stopped a goal scoring opportunity, nor was it evidently enough to send him to the ground.

Ultimately brings the game into disrepute. Bit shameful.

I'd be of the same opinion if it happened for us against another team. Just no need, goals right there just smash it in the net.

Bus broke down, Refs ******* useless, deflected winner.

Fate just ripping us one today it seems.

Jesus H Christ. If that's a penalty I must have wings.

Back in a sec lads going up the Avon Gorge.

Wasn't he coaching our u23s or u18s if I'm not mistaken?

Wish him all the best.

21 hours ago, maxjak said:

Exactly....................one or two signings away.?...........we have offloaded a whole load of players, some who were on good salaries, Palmer and O'Dowda and others Cundy, Taylor Moore and Bakinson.........and even received money for Macallister.  Can we not show a little more ambition, despite our perceived budget problems?   I believe there are other Championship sides in a far worse financial position than us?.....Maybe i am being unfair, but are our purse strings so, so tight that we cannot buy anyone?   i am certain i will be told that i just don't get it, but i am not so sure?   The difference between 16th and 6th can be down to a player or two..........and admittedley an injury or two? 

Basically - Yes, they are that tight.

End of Story.

On 17/07/2022 at 21:08, Silvio Dante said:

It’s literally Nigel’s job to know what other championship clubs have done, who they’ve signed and how they play and then combat/beat that. If he doesn’t care what they’ve done, I’d suggest he’s not doing his job.

There have been contenders, but this may be a candidate for the most moronic statement I’ve seen on here.

I somewhat disagree.

Focus should be ourselves foremost, then worry about the opposition, if I was in NP's position.

The above was LJs entire problem, he didn't focus at all on the strengths of his squad, he focused on trying to stifle and/or counter opposition overristimating the abilities of the players at his disposal as well as his own personal tsctical knowledge (citing the 'Tombola' team selections), long term result of which across his reign was a completely bereft style of play and us not knowing what to do when we had possession; added to a bloated and mismatched squad. It eventually cost him.

The key, is balance between focusing on ourselves to be the best we can be - as Nige informed the players this pre season, that's what he and the coaching staff are there for, helping them to fulfuill their potential and be a facility they can use - while setting up a general framework and system for them to operate within, and adaptability regarding opposition setup and lead up to and during a fixture.

He'll then attempt to select a team that will counter opposition based on the information given to him by scouts and the clubs analysts to pinpoint opposition strengths and weaknesses where needed while guarding against other aspects.

Per the original comment - while perhaps too strong - depending on the context was not 'moronic'. We have a manager whose job is to simply make (very tough) decisions, not scout the opposition tooth and nail.

It also ultimately depends on preference of what you/I/others would prefer in a manager overall.

1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

They do move a hell of a lot faster,maybe the balls are not the problem but the boots that are worn now 

The modern football (and the manufacturing involved) mean they are much more streamlined now - therefore less effort needed to generate pace on the ball, which also isn't as affected by drag.

8 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

I like massengo but im not seeing a host of clubs from around the world get into a bidding war for him at this point.

To be fair - we did reject an offer from Freiburg 12 months ago.

Fact of the matter is, in this climate post COVID, barely any clubs are stumping up money period in the current market. Ourselves key among them, small tribunal fees and straight free agent signings.

It's for the same reason what offers we have received for Semenyo back in January were laughable, who is technically more of a commodity irrespective of the market being a forward player.

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My thoughts too.

Possible £100k plus Baks for Camara at Plymouth?

I trust Rennie and Nige to have been considerate and thorough with their review of Bakes situation to make sure this is resolved or in continuous review pending announcement by both club and player.

We may find out, we may not. It's Bakes wellbeing and may he deal with it how he sees fit. It's none of our business. It's between him and the club. I just hope he does right by himself most of all, and thank him for his service to the club. If more players were as brave and committed in the challenge as he is, and put themselves on the line, we may have had some better seasons the past couple of years which is all you can ask for.

It may be he joins the coaching staff in the academy or/is doing his badges etc while the insurance aspect is settled. We can only wait.

10 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Sorry Fuber. Perish the thought eh!

Ignorance was blissful while it lasted...

2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Yet another 'chance' for Vyner? Surely not.

I was trying trying to avoid bringing up him nor Moore as both give me shivers imagining either of them playing for us again.

Thanks for that Ska.

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Question becomes what pedigree of player are you after?  We have youngsters developing into the next City CB - Idehen, Towler.  We don’t need someone to block them, I.e. we don’t want a squad filler.  So do we try and bring in someone of at least equal ability to the main quartet (TK, TK, RA, KA)?  At what cost?

I’m really not sure how this pans out.

It's an odd one - as Cundy leaving strikes me as the RCB being void aside of Kalas, unless we feel comfortable with Klose, our most experienced defender, moving across to cover, or Atkinson?

Idehen & Towler, as well as Atkinson & Naismith, all strike me as centre/left side of a three or biased to that side, along with Pring able to cover in an emergency.

From that view, I would loan Towler out until Jan, rotate Idehen to go out from Jan onwards. The sticking point is do we try and ship Kalas out provided there are any takers, or sign competition for him if there is not?

46 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

West Ham have presumably dropped their prices as they now have a much bigger stadium, you would have thought that Arsenal and Spurs could afford to do the same. 

It will be interesting to see if the balance of power and size of clubs changes over the next generation if they can keep that up.

Demographic is what is more likely to change.

Lower season ticket sales at greater per seta overhead, more membership/tourists, more profit.

I can't help applaud Man City's pricing. Them and West Ham leading the way while the likes of Wolves, Villa, Bounremouth among others take the proverbial biscuit - especially with the cost of living scenario being what it is.

Granted, this is price of cheapest seats so ultimately means nothing if not set in context of average pricing.

Dyche for England.

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

No - not interested in former players or managers for that matter.

How are some of their fans stupid enough to not realise that its the player (namely their agent) who should inform them of the rejection of their offer one acceptance of another?

14 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I've seen some right belters on Twitter today, but dear God this guy is special.

Not just him as an individual - there are some of their fans who don't seem to realise that there is major pulling power in this division. 

Others can't seem to compute that simply being 'well-run' means politely **** all at this level.

50 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Quality signing. No idea why anyones moaning about the contract length, he’s 30 not 40.

More importantly, he's free. We lose nothing, there's no real risk.

Not exactly Nakhi mkII is it.

56 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

 

 

 

 

I think I understood your point the first time!!!!

 

Apologies. Think it may have bugged it seems. Defo only sent that once. 

On 20/05/2022 at 07:25, Rob k said:

Zero achievements?

coached at a time where our players were going for fees like we have never seen before regularly. You may not like him but to say he never achieved anything here is wrong 

His achievements here ultimately mean nothing if we we're in a better position overall (including financials) before he arrived. Ultimately the spending completely outstripped overall progress and was costly.

The entire up-trading strategy was a huge risk that simply was not necessary, and the more of SC's squad that was replaced, the less of a 'team' it became.

LJs man-management on the whole was and is woeful.

He may be a good coach. But he simply is not a good manager.

At best he was mediocre.

On 20/05/2022 at 07:25, Rob k said:

Zero achievements?

coached at a time where our players were going for fees like we have never seen before regularly. You may not like him but to say he never achieved anything here is wrong 

His achievements here ultimately mean nothing if we we're in a better position overall (including financials) before he arrived. Ultimately the spending completely outstripped overall progress and was costly.

The entire up-trading strategy was a huge risk that simply was not necessary, and the more of SC's squad that was replaced, the less of a 'team' it became.

LJs man-management on the whole was and is woeful.

He may be a good coach. But he simply is not a good manager.

At best he was mediocre.

On 20/05/2022 at 07:25, Rob k said:

Zero achievements?

coached at a time where our players were going for fees like we have never seen before regularly. You may not like him but to say he never achieved anything here is wrong 

His achievements here ultimately mean nothing if we we're in a better position overall (including financials) before he arrived. Ultimately the spending completely outstripped overall progress and was costly.

The entire up-trading strategy was a huge risk that simply was not necessary, and the more of SC's squad that was replaced, the less of a 'team' it became.

LJs man-management on the whole was and is woeful.

He may be a good coach. But he simply is not a good manager.

At best he was mediocre.