BRISTOL86

How? He's the joint 7th top scorer in the league, he's only 24.

 

If we had a good defence we'd fly up the league, he scored 2 yesterday, yes he missed a few but it wasn't his fault we conceded 2.

 

Don't waste your breath, it's like talking to a piece of plywood.

 

Clearly he has a personal agenda, because the stats have killed his argument dead in the water, yet it continues...

Absolutely not, clearly he is an average league 1 striker.

 

Like Wells and Bamford, who were both less clinical whilst in League One?

You surley have seen the same games as me, the ones where SB has missed very easy chances he should have scored??

 

I don't disagree that he's missed chances that he should have done better at.

 

But the stats don't lie, he's one of the most clinical finishers in the league in terms of goals to chances.

 

What that does show is that the other "top strikers" that everyone gushes over - Bamford, Wells, Donaldson etc miss a greater proportion of their attempts than Baldock does.

Oh bugger don't go all factual on peoples asses. That will result in name calling.

Now this 22 one on ones missed. Still waiting for proof from those saying it is so.

 

It's just funny isn't it. People jump on the "unclinical" bandwagon, and he's been one of the most clinical in the league.

 

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way, they don't mean anything.

Oh, and for what it's worth, according to the stats Baldock has scored 20.6% of his shots this season.

 

In comparison to the top premier league scorers, Aguero is a wee bit more clinical at 28%, whereas Suarez is 25.9%. Not exactly ground breaking is it. Looks like they both have plenty of efforts that don't result in goals too, the difference is their teams are challenging for the premier league whilst we are languishing at the bottom of division 3. No one would be talking about this if we had conceded fewer and got more points on the board.

 

Not interested in the Premier League?

 

How about our own league then. Let's look at those who have scored more than Baldock:

 

Ryan Lowe - 42%

Britt Assombalonga - 23.2%

Sam Baldock - 20.6%

Leon Clarke - 20%

Nakhi Wells - 19.2%

Callum Wilson - 18.9%

Patrick Bamford - 16.9%

Clayton Donaldson - 16.8%

 

What does this tell us? Lowe (bit of a freak stat, that one) is well ahead of the trend in terms of clinical finishing, but of the others, only Assombalonga has been more clinical than Baldock this season.

 

Funnily enough, Patrick Bamford and Nakhi Wells - both mentioned in this thread as prolific strikers and both transferred to a higher league - have been less prolific than Baldock this season.

 

Don't know about Lowe, does he take penalties, have Tranmere had a lot of them? He's had an incredibly low number of shots compared to others.

Corleone

Straight out of the playground. Bumchum giggle giggle snigger snigger. Lets have a fag around the back of the bike sheds.

I do wonder the mentality of some people. Unless of course I am doung him a disservice and he is between 11 and 15 years of age.

 

The same guy who said something along the lines of Walcott deserving to have his legs broken for a bit of banter with the crowd.

 

Enough said methinks.

No it wasn't, it was your bum chums lack of finishing that cost us. Hence why Baldock has got a 6 page thread where as Flint has 2.

Baldock is average average average.

 

Are you 5 years old? I mean really? My "bum chum"? 

 

Get a life mate.

 

Let's hope we can get some more average players on board to get ~20 league goals

Right....Are you actually Sam Baldock?

No. Does it make what I said any less true though?

Today we could've been 3 up and shut up shop inside 20 mins! These missed chances cost us massively and everyone knew what was going to happen especially after the header

So it wasn't the non existent defending for the two goals that cost us today? We shouldn't have to rely on scoring three to win, especially at home.

I am stunned people are knocking him, its so frustrating. He is there to score goals, he is scoring goals, yet, people still want to moan and knock him. Take him out of the squad and we lose almost 50% of our goals!!! Who else is scoring apart from him and JET? Its like some City fans are like a dog with a bone and can't let the subject drop due to losing face. So what he misses chances, he is scoring goals, and that what he is doing!!!

Don't you know, we're the mighty Bristol City. Our strikers should score 75 a season and we should at least be competing for the Europa League!

Funny, someone was chanting 'you have no history' to the MK Dons fans and someone shouted back 'so what, we have 120 years of **** all'

Made I larf!

On average, It has taken Baldock 3.16 attempts to score a goal this season. That isn't wasteful, and those are the facts.

I've seen that Louis Suarez take loads of shots that don't go in, the wasteful bugger.

It was on here the other day it was 20 missed 1 on 1s.

Yeah but it was wrong then and still is.

Does it need to be "team Sam" or "team Jet"?

Both have strengths and weaknesses but ultimately both play for the ONE TEAM! (see what I did there!).

Both are a good bet to finish the season with 25 goals each. Someone asked the question last week when was the last time two of our strikers did that in the same season?

Given how rare it is it's a shame we can't enjoy both of them.

Spot on. Funny how people say they're a poor partnership (and in a way they are a bit like the odd couple!) but between them could have 45+ league goals at the end of the season!

My last word on this as other things to do, but agree with the post above that he needs to learn a litle more variation with just the goalie to beat.

Two games against Mk, scored two in each, could have won or lost both games easily, he missed most likely his easiest chance in both. In a microcosm, Mk sum up our season so far.

Not sure what that says! Equally they missed at least one on one that we put down to decent saves.

Equally, if we had been told he would score twice today before the game, would we have taken that, regardless of how many chances it took? I suspect so.

Good perspective on it. People think Sam misses clear chances, but what about that free header they had in the first half. Now that was a chance!

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalShooting/0,,10794~201325,00.html

Those numbers aren't quite up to date (I think mid December).

Note how few players taking that many shots have more on target than off target.

Also interesting how many additional chances the players who have scored more have.

I'd like to see the facts and figures supporting the idea that Baldock isn't very good, because these aren't them.

More on target and less off than Assombalonga.

Tidy.

No idea where 22 has come from, but prior to today Baldock has had

12 goals

36 shots on target.

I'd be suprised if 22 was accurate

It can't be 22 one on ones, that would be insane!

Must dash now, it's been a blast.

Let's not forget that we're all frustrated and we all just want what's best for our club. Opinions differ and passions run high, but we are all wanting success for our club.

Better days ahead. Hopefully.

And yet our defence is the best of the teams around us, our problem hasn't been losing games this season (we have lost less games than peterboro), more that we have drawn too many because we aren't turning them into wins. Strikers not taking chances.

Defence has been improved in centre weeks with two new centre Halfs who will improve when they all know each other better, yet as today showed YET AGIN certain players aren't taking their chances.

Partially correct in that we have drawn far too many, but the fact that only 5 teams out of 17 outside of the playoffs have scored more than us tells you that of those games, we have drawn them because of conceding too many, not scoring too few.

However we are making slow progress. Osborne and El Abd add more solidity and let's just hope we can stop shipping so many goals. Today was a perfect example. Very soft defending for both goals. We could and should have kept a clean sheet today if we'd have eradicated the simple defensive errors.

Jet 18 goals

Baldock 14 goals

So far.

How is this so difficult

I've never said JETS goal scoring hasn't been impressive. But frankly right now with our league position I couldn't care less about JPT or cup goals.

You can't expect a striker at any level to get more than 20. If we'd kept more out at the other end we wouldn't be where we are.

Come on list them you are mentioning this 22 one on ones he has missed. You could be right, I'd like to see this fact people keep mentioning.

There is absolutely no way that SB has had 22 one on ones.

Jet has

And JET is in a quality league all of his own as we know

The difference is Baldock is never a passenger. You could argue that if JET could gee himself up for every game, rather than every other game, we'd be clear of danger.

The bottom line is even the worlds best strikers miss chances. Baldock is far from that, but a return of 20 league goals, at any level, is considered an excellent return, and he is well on course for that.

If we were mid table this would be a non issue. But it's a lot easier for the unintelligent fan to jump on a striker for missing a chance than being able to recognise the defensive mistakes that lead to chances conceded

Make no mistake, it is our goals conceded that have us in the drop zone, not our lack of goals scored.

If the season finished today. Who would be top scorer.

If we'd not conceded so many goals we'd be in the playoffs and if my Aunty had bollocks she'd be my Uncle.

Irrelevant argument.

This is such an invalid argument I'm afraid....You refuse to recognise the 22 missed 1 on2s this season.

I'm not failing to recognise them. But 22 one on ones? Give me a break, it's not that many. Suarez probably hasn't had 22 one on ones this season.

Is he as clinical as we would like? No.

But he is our joint top scorer and the only striker we have who could finish a season on 20 goals.

As someone else said he shouldn't have to score a hat trick for us to win a game.

Goals conceded have been our problem for years and that still hasn't been fixed yet.

Apart from the FACT that Jet has scored more goals despite prior to this season never being an out and out forward.

Plus the FACT that Baldock is our pen taker so would likely get a few more goals as he has.

You mention Jets passing however would you like to down the route of assists this season v Baldock Or would you rather quit now and climb out of the hole you've dug yourself.

Why would you measure a striker on assists you clown?

I measure a striker at the end of a season on goals. SB is on course for 20+ which would be a phenomenal return given that we are looking at the real possibility of a relegation battle.

Apart from the FACT that Jet has scored more goals.

They both have 12 league goals. FACT.