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It has gone so far the other way you would think NP is paying some of these posters He’s not going to shag you lads ffs

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

I get that. What I’m saying is . Pearson did all the dirty work & got us back to a good base to build from . 

Then how come he didn’t build off that good base? Yet Manning with barely any training time has us playing like, dare I say it, a top 6 side

32 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Give it a rest.

You scorned NP lovers need to give it a rest. Trying to find any little detail to have a go at LM. I swear most of you would love to see him fail so much you wouldn’t mind city going down with him. Imagine Man City fans going I can’t deal with Pep’s spanish accent or when he is moody after dropping points. Embarrassing  

15 hours ago, spudski said:

It's the most irritating phrase he uses. Just say ******* ' attitude ' like normal people, rather than using phrases from the coaching manuals. 

Sadly as has been mentioned before...it's ingrained in his post match interviews. He has a list of phrases he uses over and over again.

Funnily he actually pulled himself up today after saying it, and said ' we'll probably get bored of hearing that'. 

I don't think I've watched one of his interviews yet, without stopping it before the end. 

It's mindless coaching phrases. 

I've also noticed he's got that damn annoying inflection in his voice that JL has...sounds like they are being choked. 

Can't fault the turn around and the way he's got them playing with results. 

But I can't listen to him. Bores and irritates sadly. 

Which is annoying for me, as I like to hear decent thought out reactions. 

Can't have it all I guess. 

Great result and performance. 

 

Yes much rather have NP having a nice drawn out and detailed explanation! Especially after probably dropping 8 of the points we just picked up 

52 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

You have no understanding let alone appreciation for the job Pearson did, but that’s hardly a shock

 

Too busy throwing your toys , whining and desperate to get to ‘The promised Land’ 

And Einstein ,............ please point me to a single negative post I’ve made in respect of Manning 

If you had any football understanding you’d work out who provided the excellent platform any successor would dream of

Lets see

Good Luck , clocks ticking

 

 

 

Yes the Lansdowns, Tinnion, NP and everyone at the club. Not NP on his own. He did the job he was supposed to do. No more and no less. I have given NP his plaudits plenty before. While recognising that we were at our limit under him. What is wrong with that? 

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

And you still don’t.....

 

No great shock

Great back and forth. Asked you to explain but your capacity for intelligent conversation is lacking isn’t it? It feels good to chat to such a defeated man. Hurts being so wrong about Manning doesn’t it? Maybe take a break from the forum mate and just enjoy the good times

25 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

You still don’t get it do you ... 

 

 

Get what?
 

I’m just happy city is playing attractive football and getting results. It has been 5-6 years since LJ managed two top half finishes albeit with stupid resources. And I find it strange there are still some that seem upset NP is gone

6 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

It’s a shame in some ways , for certain ‘supporters’ like you as a prime example , that we appointed him and not many many others

You could be whining and spouting **** after we have drawn away to Burton in L1.....

 

Embarrassing

Or….maybe…..we saw NP was a good way to finish between 14-20th every season. I don’t go to watch a nice championship match and I’d argue no one does. What is the point of being in the league below the premier league if you aren’t going to take some risks to try and go up? 
 

Manning could have been a flat out failure and still could. However, he could be stellar and take us to a level we haven’t seen. NP we knew what we were getting. A high floor and low ceiling. Manning we may have a lower floor but the ceiling is much higher and you can see just how high after every game. 
 

Embarrassing is having not doing well even on your mind because you don’t agree with someone. Possibly all those heartbroken about NP going were wrong? Me, idc, I am happy knowing we can beat almost anyone at the minute with fluid and fun to watch football with players to come back and a transfer window days away. 

31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What was he trying to transition to with the players he had, and how we were moving towards that before we got injuries.

Deary me!

Manning has done it with one international break and about 8 games. NP had the whole summer.
 

The football is better, getting more out of our attacking players and the atmosphere at home is a lot better. Why are we holding onto NP like he brought us back to back promotions? He did a job. Not stellar and not bad. 
 

Can say he was transitioning the style all you want. We never looked comfortable in possession under NP. We were rarely a threat with possession under NP. Why can’t we just call it as we see it? He isn’t fit for the modern game. You want him to come keep you up in January with limited funds? Sure he’d be great. You want to get the most out of a talented young squad and push the top half? No he is not that guy.  

Just now, johnheadbcfc said:

Manning ball for the foreseeable please 

Us Bristol Sport employees know our stuff eh? 

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

In what way?

He was far from being the “dinosaur” - the term some people use.

Very up to date with modern methods.

The reason he was let go was (paraphrased) - he rubbed the owners up the wrong way with his home truths and  they felt his illness gave them a get out clause.

What makes you think it was his adaptability (lack of) that was the reason?

Look at the football we are playing now compared to the last 2.5 years. His methods weren’t modern. It was keep it tight and play %. Back foot boring football. 

2 hours ago, luke_bristol said:

Did fine at Watford despite his ridiculous sacking (sound familiar?). 

His sacking at Watford was much harsher than here. Still they probably get relegated regardless. 

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

NP seems not to get the luck in football.

Wonder why, minimum of 2 ridiculous sackings, in football reasons at Leicester that's 3.

Yet smarmy tossers like Parker, Martin seem to rise, get plum jobs.

Maybe it speaks to his ability to get on with people in power positions. Just a guess btw but that old style manager died out in the early 2010s imo. Owners don’t want to sink money into a club and have some former player calling all the shots. For me he wasn’t adaptable. Couldn’t adapt to anything in the modern game and it is why the decision was made to let him go, rightly imo just wrong time. Should have let him go in the summer but maybe no one suitable available

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Yes, back the man they hired. It’s that simple now.

Exactly and I don’t mean by spending like we did with LJ either. Don’t mind selling but reinvest portions back into the playing squad with more signings like Knight, Sykes, Dickie etc. Back him but don’t repeat that mistake basically. 

They used to frustrate me but honestly it isn’t that bad. You look at our current spell in the championship, it is usually bigger clubs and PP clubs being promoted. You are usually looking at one promotion spot at best to grab between 24 teams. 
 

Manning is the first hire we have made that is on the “up.” He’s had setbacks in his career like all managers but he has naturally progressed. LJ wasn’t stellar anywhere before he come here. Holden didn’t deserve an interview. NP not done anything notable in almost 10 years when he got here. For me, it is a sign they are maybe getting things right for once. Track record says, even if I am right, that they will do something daft to waste it. That is the frustration is that when city is at a big moment for their future they usually squander it.

What I want them to do now is back the bloke you hired. Keep him heavily involved in recruitment and help him build a squad for the way he wants to play. Not the way you think we should play. Even though I think Manning’s style is more what they want just let him be involved. The academy is fine for bringing in some depth but don’t hold back the first team for a year because someone from the academy might come good. 

Just take it for what it is. A nice message to the passionate fanbase for the holidays. Let the past be the past. Not as if the decisions are coming back to haunt us atm. 

13 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Manning really rates Tanner…

It is here he comes under scrutiny. I don’t really mind him. He just isn’t going to bomb up and down the right like a lot of rb/lb do nowadays. He is dependable and there is nothing wrong with that. I’d like for him to gain the confidence to overlap once in awhile but that can come with time. He doesn’t let the side down

17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The only thing I’d argue is TGH. He will drive with the ball but he likes to occupy deeper positions to start. My point was we don’t get enough people in the area on attacks imo. I’d prefer one of the two “deeper” midfielders to take the risk once in awhile as it stands. We scored 3 but generally struggle for goals and think it could help

I know McRorie came in as a rb and Tanner is coming under a lot of scrutiny. However, I’d be real tempted to try McRorie in midfield with Hickman and Knight.
 

We talk about Wells cameo and how he got us up the pitch. I also thought we were much better because Williams come on for James. It isn’t in possession that worries me. However out of possession and breaking up attacks I thought James really hurt us last night.
 

James and TGH are also way too similar to me. Neither is willing to really make runs into the area or down a channel. I know this isn’t a big role for CMs but you look at our crosses last night and many only have Conway to find. Knight was often out wide helping create the overload which is fine. 
 

I am not convinced going 352 will make us better. We now have 20 minutes of Wells in the new BCFC and it led to two goals, granted we were chasing those goals but it looked good. Especially with Sykes form and Mehmeti possibly turning the corner. Also, really enjoyed Bell’s cameo. We still need a couple of players for that front 3. We need to find that bit of magic like Sunderland have with Roberts and Clarke. Like Hull have with Delap and Philogene when fit. 

So yea, both their returns give us options and depth and versatility. Looking forward to it. Them coming back plus an early January signing could see us maintain this top 10 form. 

16 minutes ago, bredwood said:

Overall I think our performance deserved the win. When was the last time we had over 20 shots in a game?

And the penalties too! This is what the few of us not heartbroken about NP were trying to say. This is the kind of team players want to be in. Especially the young players we recruit. When we recruit in January this is the kind of side good players will want to come to and take a chance on. 

You’d be daft to think NP for 3 seasons doesn’t help in that situation Saturday. You’d also be daft to think the players are thinking that at the time. They put their bodies on the line and mostly great defending with some luck. That is NP, LM and recruitment. Can have NP but 6 lee tomlins and you’ll probably not see that out. 
 

Top 6 side? No not with our attacking players. We can be a top half side with the way we can keep goals out. Not going to win anything without goals though. Still think conway and wells can perform well enough with more creativity around them. Hard to recruit a cf with those two around imo. Maybe can try Conway on the left though? 
 

Say what you want about the Lansdowns and how they handled the NP and LM transition, but they aren’t the first to make a call like this. Can take our opponents from this weekend as and example. Had them playoffs and lost a couple key players now struggling to keep that form. Football does not stand still. You have small windows as non PP clubs as when you get good players performing they get plucked by bigger sides. No qualms with the change but they need to back LM in the market like they should have NP in the summer once they decided to let him go into the season. 

1 hour ago, Red Skin said:

I agree.  

Despite what another poster says, technically I feel he's very good at quick short passing when he comes inside.  And he is a clever player too, so much so that I don't think others are on the same page.  He's not really a winger, but until he gains a bit more physical stature he will struggle through the middle so I think on the wing is the best position right now.   He can definitely finish, so when we attack down the right there isn't anyone I'd rather see coming in on the back post that Sam Bell.  His finishing is that good.

I wasn't at yesterday's game so no idea how Huddersfield set up, other than the formation on the BBC Sport app.  I can only guess Manning felt our back 3 could largely look after their attack so Bell and Sykes would primarily be attacking.

Bell is struggling for form tight now, but he's young and learning. 

Maybe down the middle will be his calling but I doubt that too. He is inexperienced but not that young. Conway isn’t getting much praise either but Bell is a bit over IIRC. Old enough he should be able to deal physically a lot better than he does. 
 

If we are going to play him it should be on the right imo. He likes going outside and crossing. His left foot crossing is terrible though he is willing. Problem is Sykes plays on the right and he is by far our best attacking player. 
 

We are playing a good style but the loss of Wells and the loss of Conway’s confidence is killing our top 10 hopes. I’d probably try a front 3 of Conway Wells and Sykes when we can. Our best 3 forward/creative players at the minute. Maybe that is the plan even with 3 atb. We need to be more ruthless whatever happens. No need to bin Bell off as Weimann OOC. Bell and Mehemti probably need to battle it out for minutes. Either could win out. Recruit one in Jan, let Weimann walk in summer and Bell, Mehmeti, Yeboah and Cornick can fight for minutes

29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Whether he was gonna be extended or not, should’ve had no bearing on playing squad investment.  Playing squad investment should’ve happened regardless.  So there shouldn’t be a “rightly or wrongly” about it.  And if that was the case, they should’ve acted in the summer.  Because they’ve left their new man in no-man’s land for 11 games until the window opens.  He might get some in early, but likelihood is most activity will be late in the window, so we will have played 14 games (29 in total) by the time any new players are in and possibly longer until they are embedded.

Sacking football managers is a normal football decision.

Bringing managers in to do a specific role, e.g. save from relegation, sort out a mess, and then moving them on is a normal football decision.

Sacking Nige WHEN they did (ignoring the reasons) is NOT a normal football decision.  They should’ve done it in the summer, or next summer, I don’t care which.  I’m not tied to who the Bristol City manager is, but I expect sensible football decisions.  This one stank the house out in cluelessness.  I’m right behind Liam Manning though, like I was Nige.

I think your second paragraph is just trying to fit a narrative (my opinion on your opinion), because if you look at the recruitment facts, it didn’t stop Jason Knight (22), Haydon Roberts (21) or TGH (21) signing did it?  They were all keen to join “turgid” City.  There are others before them too.

I don’t disagree about when they should have sacked him. I said it myself end of last season, extend him or sack him. It was never a good decision to let him manage into his last year. I don’t need to argue that. It was handled poorly. They have handled LM start poorly insisting we should be top 6. No, we should push it like everyone else and not fade. Our performances should be more consistent. We should be more of a threat from open play. Things like that. The board is the board. They haven’t handled many things elegantly in the 10 season I have been going down. That is something we need to live with. Just doesn’t seem like this forum wants to get behind the team or new man and I don’t think that is productive at all. 
 

Who were their suitors? I think Knight was a good get for sure. Roberts I think regretted the decision early doors. TGH seemed like a last minute no plan and he wanted to play. Outside looking in that one was fortuitous. We haven’t really recruited a young highly rated attacker in years. I’m not saying we weren’t attractive to young players. I am arguing a more attacking and pressing style will attract even more and possible better calibre. I have no narratives I have opinions and I believe in them. So yes I’ll argue them.  

34 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

Why would any player be happy in 14th when we’ve got a top 6 squad? 

We are close I think. Wouldn’t say a favourite but the margins are so fine from spots 4-21. Conway firing like he did last season then it looks a lot different. Something you can’t really account for, a drop of form that drastic. What I’ll say is he is getting more chances under LM than he did the last few with NP. Still need another to play across the front 3 imo but the return of Wells will also help

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Like JL and Tins, you believe the root cause was Nige being old and not hands-on.

You may well be right, it’s not doom and gloom, but it’s a leap of faith at the mo’ that was the reason and that’s the change that was required to remedy.

If you get the root cause wrong, you choose the wrong solution.

My view, fwiw, is that the biggest problem was lack of investment in the players / playing squad, regardless of who is in charge.

That is fair as I thought we needed one more. Which NP was part of that problem too. Think it looks pretty clear they did not want to invest too much under NP, rightly or wrongly. Think it looks like he was never going to be extended. Appointed to get us through the FFP tight years. Whether you agree or not, it is a normal football decision to make. Even if they go about plans completely the wrong way. 
 

I do think the football under LM will help attract different players. My opinion of course but we are recruiting lads in their late teens and early 20s. They want a pathway. They want coaching. They want to play nice slick football. I do think homework gets done on teams. Finishing 14th with a turgid style of playing for set pieces or 14th starting to move the ball around quick and creating chances are two different things for a 21 year old making a big decision on how to progress his career. Imo

6 minutes ago, tin said:

The only thing I agree with you here is you saying “the powers at the top do not help matters whatsoever”. No shit, Sherlock! They are wholly culpable for whatever happens - good or, more likely, bad. 

I don’t share your view that binning proven PL-winning experience for another hopeful inexperienced punt will pay off, but that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. Nothing against Manning, this ain’t on him. 

NP hasn’t done anything for about 10 years. He wasn’t exactly successful in the premier league either. I just don’t think it was crazy to get rid and get in an up and coming coach with a more hands on approach. I just don’t see all the doom and gloom of the decision.