JoeAman08

Just now, steviestevieneville said:

You’ve completely contradicted yourself in the second paragraph by saying the club wants high press front foot football . We’ve 100% been high intense higher press under nige , after the first year or so  of getting rid of the players that wouldn’t suit it . To say otherwise is just wrong . He said in his first interview . To be a prem side you need power , pace & high intensity . He was doing that with no budget . For the club to come out after & say that’s how we want to play made me laugh . That’s what Pearson implemented . Funny how it’s taken those ******* idiots 25 years to finally see a way they want to play but sack the man implementing it.

 

on your first paragraph. This is what I mean about transparency . If they’d said.
Nigel has done a brilliant job in turning us around in what was a really difficult job . We’ve made mistakes that led to that & we couldn’t be more grateful for the hard work he’s put in. However we feel it’s time to move onto the next stage of our development . 
 

I would of still been pissed off at the time with his sacking but would of thought. Ok , fair enough . At least they’ve spoke the truth. I can get behind that . Unfortunately all they do is lie . It’s insulting that they think we’re really that stupid to not see through it. 

I don’t think I contradict myself at all. Our press is slow and inaffective. Maybe you can find numbers that say it is good but the eye test is what I go by. Teams aren’t afraid of us pressing. It looks reactive not proactive. Often don’t close down until a pass is made. No anticipation. James makes it really hard to press as well with him being quite immobile. Once teams beat the front 3 they fashion good chances. It isn’t organised at all imo. Thought SW played through it multiple times even with 10 men which was not very impressive. Think that is what they mean and I certainly agree. 

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

Agree to a point that the championship is loaded with teams like us. However , in lord fontleroy’s words we need to out perform our budget . That’s not going to happen with this squad , it’s too thin. If all of a sudden in January the purse strings open then we know for sure nige was sawn off at the knees & they’ve been lying all along . It’s the lack of transparency I hate. 

That is fair. I think it was always the Lansdowns intentions to let Nige see out his contract and thats it. His job was keep us in the division with a tight budget. Get us better physically and defensively. He did that. Maybe did it so well they thought we can have a go this season. It be nice to tell us that if the case but not realistic. 
 

We’ll never know if NP could have done more. I don’t believe he sets up in a modern way that has been successful over the years. With the comments from the club about high intensity and all that they didn’t think so either. No doubts whoever comes in will get funds in January. Harsh on NP to build it and not get backing? Yes but again I feel like that was always going to be the case. 

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

Stop smoking crack sunshine . That was ******* awful. I’ve often thought you talk rubbish at times but bloody hell. As for you’re previous post . Do you seriously think this squad is any better than 16th-12th because it ain’t . Just because a chairman with absolutely no qualifications to be a chairman of a football club apart from his dad stuck a silver spoon up his ass at birth says so , doesn’t make it true. 

Seen enough teams to think ain’t much in it. Tactical set ups matter and we were lacking. We’ll just keep signing other teams best players but say we aren’t great. We aren’t Leeds Southampton or Leicester. After that we are about the same as everyone else bar the bottom 3-4 sides. That is the championship. 

1 minute ago, Glen hump said:

Have you even read his posts, he’s obviously trying to get a reaction 

Poster doesn’t hate the Pearson sacking and thinks a team 4 points off playoffs has better ability than Pearson got out of them means he is going for reactions. Not my problem half of you in love with Pearson and feel the need to come to his aide when someone says he was overrated

3 minutes ago, Edgy Red said:

I think we are a couple of quality attacking players away from potentially being a top 6 side. If we had all of our defensive options available, we have a pretty decent base to work from.

Although we have 7 or 8 forward options, unfortunately they are not good enough.

Whilst Alex Scott is a sensational talent, i believe we miss Semenyo more.

Spot on. We don’t have anyone who can beat a fullback. Semenyo and Scott to a degree could. Mehmeti has tricks but not the physical gifts for this level to consistently take players on.  Looks more comfortable roaming and finding pockets of space from a central role. 
 

Sykes is our best creative player imo. That just isn’t enough though. I look at bits of business like Whittaker to Plymouth or Philogene to Hull and think what if. 

Just now, The Swan and Cemetery said:

There were overloads but think a lot of that was having 11 vs 10 and them being terrible. Moved the ball too slowly as well. But showed plenty of effort and fight and tried to avoid sitting back. Thought pros and cons of NP era were pretty much all there today. 

They were bad weren’t they. First half was the same old. I thought the changes were good. Naismith pushing into midfield allowing a midfielder to push forward. Mehmeti popping up everywhere and looking confident. Not sure NP takes a CB off. Not sure he brings Mehmeti on. And just generally thought our creative players looked a bit more relaxed. It wasn’t pretty or necessarily good but I thought it was something. 

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

If we had more quality Bell could have been put through FOUR times. If you aren’t just ball watching things like that amplify where we lack quality. Playing 10 yard passes in front of the opposition isn’t quality.

What would Bell then do?  It wasn’t perfect but I felt the players enjoyed it today. 

Just now, Glen hump said:

Your either a wum or deluded, I’d go for a bit of both.

Good debate. Not sure you get forums. Let’s hear your opinion. Go on

1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said:

This is surely a wind up.

Absolutely nothing wrong with you not being convinced that Pearson was the man to get us into the top 6, but some of these statements are just ridiculous.

My point is it can produce better football than we have seen. Flashes today against a bad side. It was refreshing to see players have the confidence to overlap, create overloads and take people on. Didn’t constantly pump balls down the channel hoping for long throws. 

3 minutes ago, Glen hump said:

******* brilliant we’re going to turn into Man City 

Wtf you on about? We might turn into something worth watching. About as loud as AG has been at times today. Partly because manager shake up. Partly because we actually tried to play some football

Just now, frenchred said:

You watched different to me then, holding on against 10 man bottom of the league!

Your ******* deluded

Devoid of confidence that squad. They looked freer albeit up against 10 men. Mehmeti looked confident. Conway looked better. Now they can maybe move on without a negative style of football

1 minute ago, Glen hump said:

Give it a rest, trying to get a reaction off people is a bit sad 

Got you to comment. Not here for a rise just good debate 

2 minutes ago, David Brent said:

When was that?

I am the Michael Scott to your David Brent. We all know who is clear here. 

Just now, Numero Uno said:

Going by all the moaning today anyone could be forgiven that due to financial restrictions we have a squad that works hard but lacks quality. Obviously that’s not the case, just need a new Manager to come in, spend no money and turn it round over the international break. Piece of piss.

Saw today we have some quality if used correctly. This isn’t the lower half of the table side NP made it look. So excited for the future

Just now, Roger Red Hat said:

Except that it was a regular occurrence for NP to change the front three, at about 60 mins.

Except that he was keeping Mehmeti from minutes and keeping the dire Weimann on often. Benching Bell was a bit of genius too and having him as the impact player off the bench. Well done Curtis

Just now, cidercity1987 said:

You used to be a good poster but gone well off the boil lately 

Why because I didn’t like awful football and finishing 16th? Sorry no one grown enough for differing opinions around here. Sheep spring to mind

Pearson gone singing was embarrassing. Then slagging off the man who pays the bills son because he didn’t accept mid table mediocrity. We don’t deserve better with attitudes like that. 
 

For the game. No red would have meant no points. Scraped by bottom of the league with one win after they played with 10 for an hour. Awful football again but fair play to Fleming making attacking changes that I am sure his predecessor would not have made. Well done Curtis Flemings cider army

3 minutes ago, Spud21 said:

And I don't particularly disagree with any of that, I think he was building an identity more than you credit him with, we aren't one of the best pressing sides in the division by accident, but we lack in certain areas, don't think our midfield is able to move the ball quick enough to create openings which I think explains why we aren't great at home as we need to play more as the dominant side which for me leads to the ponderous style we have in possession often leading to an aimless hump to Conway / Wells. 

Saying this Nige has clearly been building towards a style and identity for me, but it's a process he came in to a massively unbalanced squad with almost 0 ability to play to any sort of coherent identity, and as someone who would have been happy to see him go after the West Brom game he had completely got me back on side with the foundations he was laying for either him or someone else to kick in with. 

I was not convinced that Pearson was definitely the man to take us forward and could definatley have understood making this decision towards the end of the season (more likely an announcement that he would leave at the end of his contract.)

I think it's been an absolutely bonkers decision to get rid now, we have been getting by with the massive effort from the players keeping us in games, can't comment on Cardiff but the way we got better as the games went on against Cov and Ipswich says to me our fitness is well up there, and with our injuries we are hanging in games through effort more than anything, and were it not for mistakes we could easily be looking at having taken points off Leeds and Ipswich. 

We are now for me in a very precarious position, if results do not go our way over the next 2 games it could get very toxic, very quickly for a manager who is likely to be on the up and coming scale more than the expirience head one. 

Fair enough and I agree the timing wasn’t right. Just now that it is done I am looking forward to whats next. I thought he was building an identity middle of last season with Naismith in midfield and the 433/4312. He never went back to it though. Partly because injury but seemed reluctant too. 
 

I have said I’d have let him see out the season(or much of it). Just seems that wasn’t possible and the relationship between him and higher up was disintegrating so it was inevitable. I said in another thread, this is perhaps/probably what the Lansdowns hired him for. Get us through a tough period where we need to reset, with never the intention of keeping him longer than the 3 years. In that case, he did a very good job. Very risky going forward I agree. NP for me was a sure thing. Will be safe but probably not threaten the playoffs. Now, we could bring someone in who can get this club to a top 6 finish. However, it could go real wrong and end up in a relegation if those bottom clubs get it together some

6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Think the challenge is lots of folk, including me, disagree with this. Given the progress made in difficult circumstances and with sensible backing, I could see him getting us promoted. And not as he’s never done it before, unlike lots of up and coming managers. We’ll never know who was right/wrong as no control group, all about opinions, and that’s fair enough. 

Yes but how you posted is not how my opinion often  gets a response. We disagree. I am fine with that. I do think it is probably closer to 50/50 than this forum represents. You hear lots of different things on the coaches to away games, walking through the ground home or away and in the pubs. 

I been around here a long time, I don’t mind arguments not fair on genuine new people though with some posters borderline having a go at bullying just because they don’t think Pearson was amazing. Think we all want whats best for city in the end. 

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Agree with spring analogy, and fatigue through winding that spring can result in it snapping (strained / torn muscle).

I agree with some of @JoeAman08 comments re injuries last season, and some this season, but with reference to muscle injuries mainly.  And in respect of those we are generally seeing less and less because over a period of time they’ve (Rennie and team) changed the methods to make the hamstrings in particular more robust to deal with the workload required to play a hard running game.  It takes time to change this.

When Vincent Kompany gives you feedback that over last season the change in how hard the team runs and how difficult that makes it, you tend to believe that the medical regime and the people in it must be doing the right thing.  Other managers have called it out in their pre and post match interviews this season too.

So when you hear Tinnion saying stuff like (paraphrased) “need to be trained physically to play the way we want to play” as a dig, it’s disrespectful to the medical team, most of whom are still involved, but also something he would’ve been part of setting and recruiting towards for the last 2-4 windows.

Thats what I don’t get.  It’s like their memory has been erased, like they’ve never been involved.

Re ACLs - they are often freak in occurrence and now becoming the modern day version of torn cartilage, but much more serious and difficult to rehab from.  The methods they use these days, removal of part of hamstring to replace ACL can lead to weaker hamstrings as a result.  If you lose cartilage at the same time as rupturing the ACL that makes the whole balance of the knee different when the ACL is replaced.  And that can lead to re-rupture.  It’s a bit of a bastard really, the scourge of the modern game.

It is all fair. I know I go OTT sometimes. My thoughts are that the reputation that Rennie come in with, the reality didn’t match that expectation to me. Same with NP really. I thought we had turned a corner middle of last season when we went 433, then moved Kal into midfield. Lasted a bit and then injury took Kal away then took RA away. We never got back to that and for me been downhill since then. Even when winning it never felt we were a strong side. Better drilled than before? Yes. Bit fitter for the most part? Yes. But never dominate games which I think is the next step.
 

Doesn’t mean any thing in terms of style. Could be a dominant possession side who patiently creates opening. Could be a high pressing side that forces opponents into mistakes. Could be a team that sits back and defends deep and counters well. I think we want an identity but it never happened under NP. We don’t have the footballers for possession. We don’t have the pace for countering quickly(like Birmingham done to us at AG under Eustace. Haven’t played the right midfield, imo, to be a high press side.
 

The latter is where I think we could get to. With more Naismith, Knight, Hickman, Williams and maybe a 10 like Mehmeti(thought played well at Cardiff). Conway, Bell, Sykes and Cornick good from the front. Dickie a bit slow but Vyner covers well. All that just wouldn’t happen under NP. So the change is welcome for me and we’ll see what happens. I’ll admit there is a decent risk of it going properly wrong with all that said. Worth the risk for me though. 

35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Spend some money.

Why should that have not gone to NP?

Surely he more than earned the chance to be the one to do so.

Conversely, should the new manager get a bigger budget? I'd say no, only to rise in line with revenue increases. That maybe the summer with TV money, maybe it should be January 2025.

The new manager should be a clear upgrade on NP, or it is literally a pointless and perhaps counterproductive change.

The way I see it and I am guessing the Lansdowns did, that needed someone like NP to reset the club. He did that job and kept us up for a few years and a hell of a mess. That was what he was hired for. Not hired to then take the club forward in his vision(which seems far from the Lansdowns). 
 

Why can’t we say he did the job he was asked to do well? And that the job is now ready for someone younger, more hands on and different tactically than NP? Seems reasonable to me. I saw nothing in NP reign that he could get us promoted so why not change now when everything from 3rd-21st is so fluid? Let someone new assess over the last international break and get some backing in January. We know what we had from Pearson. A practical style for avoiding relegation.
 

This next appointment could send us down but it could also take us forward. I think it is okay to have that view point. Unfortunately you get met with vitriol on here with any opinion that isn’t pro NP. And this bit not aimed at you Mr P just added on. 

23 minutes ago, Spud21 said:

Ah yes Rennie should ha e been out on the pitch diving in between players to stop them getting impact injuries, I'm not sure how many more times it has to be explained that the majority of our injuries are impact injuries before people grasp that. 

The convenient contact injuries now but forget the last 2 years before it. 
 

Benarous - freak thing. Did we push too early? Did we not strengthen it before we got him training again? 
 

Weimann - weird heel thing. Back too early missed more time. Missed time last year muscular
 

Conway - missed large chunks of the last two seasons with muscle injuries. 
 

Naismith - muscular last year after moving to midfield and again this year. 
 

Williams - we ran into ground and now out again. Done a job with him but not exactly reliable. 

Couldn’t get Kane Wilson fit. Kalas and James last season muscular. 
 

He didn’t really live up to the expectation did he? 

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

And why just sack Rennie, why not Gill Holt, Derek Bonsu, Paddy Orme, etc.. sorry, being facetious.

None at all, but you’re ignoring that several injuries were contact type injuries not muscle strains.  When you do the breakdown, you’ll see that muscle injuries don’t account for many games missed at all.

”want” - it’s a double edged sword.  Yes, Nige doesn’t want a big, bloated squad, but he also said he wanted a couple more players.  The budget dictates he runs thinner than what is sensible.

See above. The problem has been ongoing without contact ones like Vyner. No Pearson didn’t get the ideal window. Never hear me say he did but it wasn’t an awful one either. We would have been up in the 7-8 range with more signings and then we could say how they needed more time to gel. Always seemed another excuse for NP. Never really been a fan, think most know that. My opinions haven’t really changed and I don’t think I am unfair in what I say. Not overly anyway
 

I don’t see why Rennie is being protected on here either? Some tough injuries for sure but always the same people out. Isn’t he supposed to set it plans to manage their workload? Does it matter if you pull a muscle in a game or training?  No not really. Luck or no luck is the same people out with similar injuries. Not rocket science here.

City want a small squad so need a good medical staff to keep it fit. 3 seasons now we always go we are unlucky with injuries. Rennie’s fault or not is a results business and like his mate Nige he didn’t produce enough when needed. 

18 minutes ago, phantom said:

You have missed the point that all these new accounts suddenly appeared all promoting the same things over and over again

This ISN'T supporters suddenly joining and giving their opinions - but I am sure that you already realised that?

But that is exactly what it is in the comment that I responded to. But the forum rather it be a conspiracy  the sacking of a manager probably a rife time to join a forum isn’t it? 

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Another new user with red in his title. Shame Bristol Sport employees couldn't be a bit more imaginative.

weird comment. Imagine Bristol Sport employees being a fan of City  not that he is. Does know his way around a roof though. He’d fit in at City’s media team. 
 

The weird NP cultists at it again I see. You lot would have Pearson own the club. Remember in simpler times you could have an opinion on here and debate it. Not have to fit in on one side of debate. 

14 minutes ago, Zuni said:

If Tanner and Naismith are fit to start -

 

                                MOL

          Tanner     Vyner     Dickie     Pring

                TGH      Knight     Naismith

                  Sykes     Weimann     Bell

Like it except for Weimann down the middle. I’d be benching Bell too for Mehmeti. Bell just ain’t doing it for me. Not on the left anyway. Think he is a right winger. He don’t look to cut in and shoot enough for me. Likes to go left and hit dink left footed crosses. Just do that on strong foot on right
 

39 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I've checked a few clubs.

Now he had the 5th or 6th highest wage bill in the League that season Leicester ran away with the title.

A good chunk of the net spend came under Sven in 2011-12. NP rejoined Leicester in late 2011 so disregard to some extent the summer 2011 activity. Start with Winter 2012 on drop-down menu then go from there.

QPR had a much higher wage bill.

Higher too at Blackburn, Bolton, Reading, Wigan. Possibly Nottingham Forest, hard to say having looked that year.

Their wage bill will include promotion bonuses of £9-10m..underlying £26-27m.

I got the wrong dates as am at work. He didn’t spend the money. My point was he inherited a top championship squad off a big spend. He did take it to the next level so fair enough. He just wasn’t one to come in and work on a small budget like he has to here.
 

Not convinced he would have got it done here and that is why we played, imo, percentage football. Asking smaller forwards to bump CBs in the air to win throw ins in their half and channel balls not to get on the end of but to pressure opposition to put it out of play for long throws and corners which are probably accounting for close to half our goals this season. 
 

He wasn’t for me and done nothing to convince me otherwise. His biggest pros were slashing the wage bill and playing youth which would have had to be done by Pep, NP or Gary Johnson. The culture and fitness were minimal impacts imo. He leaves the squad with multiple injuries hanging over the club. Culturally never gonna change with SL. So what has he actually brought to BCFC in his time? Again younger and cheaper squad was the remit for anyone. If you want to say he was doing everything possible to keep this club afloat, I can buy into it a bit. I fear relegation with the next appointment because this is not a top 6 side. I just think NP ceiling was lower top half of table to midtable(10-15th). With change comes a strong possibility of failure but also a small chance of something great which is the way I am choosing to look at it. I want to go to AG and get off my seat for a good press and some nice football. 

11 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Can't tell if you're trolling, ignorant, ill informed or genuinely that stupid.

He got rid of 22 players and signed 14. In the space of 18 months with a net spend of £4-5m, removed a toxic culture, and won the League.

It was not "in place for him like Raneiri's was", the only players in the first team that won the League that were at the club under Sven before Pearson's return were Schmiechel, Konchesky, King, and Nugent. *And Wes Morgan - dating on the season overview for when he joined in my resource was wrong.

Sorry to everyone else for derailing this thread.

So the core of their successful side was bought by Sven? Cheers mate the point I made. He also used the loan market which he hates too. And to get rid of 22 players, isn’t that something that probably needed done? I mean forget the fact he got rid of 8 players net over 3-4 seasons. Isn’t that much really is it? 
 

You lot want to talk about NP like he is Pep. He was a fine manager there and he was fine here. He had success off a massive backing. If you want to say his culture helped Leicester I probably can’t argue. Their fans revere him, based off that success. However, I think he probably gets too much credit for the title winning team. He had proven what he could do with that side which is about scrape staying up. Ranieri come in brought in players(off memory) like Cambiasso and Kante. 
 

And no need to raise your blood pressure mate. All be fine tomorrow