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6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

B’muff made City look poor. We have to give them credit for that- remember they were in the PL recently and are still full of top players. City won’t be playing teams of their quality every week and I’m sure we’ll see a different performance against Forest on Tuesday.

Also acknowledge that Williams went off injured and then King going off leaving City with 10 men and that’s not to happen every week. Also Atkinson and Massengo were missing as well. Two influential players.

 

I can give them credit. They are a better side. That doesn’t mean it is ok to allow the amount of chances we did today. Doesn’t mean it is ok to not put in a tackle. Doesn’t mean it is ok to just sit in a shape and let them do what they like. Better team? Yes but so were QPR and Fulham but we made life difficult for them. Today we made Bournemouth look like Man City or Liverpool. 

53 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It was never going to end today tbh. Bournemouth are just different class to us. My main gripe today was that first half “effort” from our Irish international. Sincerely hope he never pulls our shirt on again.

What O’Dowda? Did I miss something? Thought he was the only one that offered something going forward in that first half. Drove at them a few times and got Cahill booked. Don’t remember a lack of effort. Not any more than anyone else

Just now, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Was clear he pulled it straight away from the stop, and then beating of the ground. 
 

poor bloke looked absolutely distraught as well- and although only 10 mins in we missed his (any) form of midfield presence.
 

the choice to replace him with Wells was astonishing  

I didn’t mind the change. That is until they threw him out wide. At that point would have been better off with Scott or Palmer

3 minutes ago, Offside said:

Also today a lack of aggression, mobility and the ability to control the ball and pass it. Bournemouth were good, but we made it far too easy. 

The mobility is a big one for me. We have to be the slowest team in the league. The ability to control the ball I can excuse with how well they pressed but the lack of aggression was very disappointing. 

Don’t overreact? You said yourself could have been 4 or 5. This is at home mind you. That level of performance is unacceptable against any side in our division. They started 4 players with less than 20 championship games under their belt. Yes they are better. Yes not many expected points but we were embarrassed. We have played better against better championship sides in recent seasons. 
 

There is no overreaction. We were poor all over the park and the disappointment is that includes desire and toughness. This sets the bar for worst performance imo and if we have a few more like it, I’d start to worry. That said, I expect much better on Tuesday and anticipate it’ll be better. Just need to store this under can’t happen again.

Yep he knew right away. I’d guess he out until after next international break at the least. Can’t catch a break with us can he? 

Just now, Finley_Smith10 said:

They’re top of the league and the much better side. Expected to struggle. Won 4 Drawn 4 Lost 4. 11th in the table id of taken that everyday of the week start of the season. Just move onto Saturday 

I’d rather we show up Tuesday to be honest

I don’t really care if just staying up is decent enough. That performance today, especially first half, was not even close to good enough. Doesn’t matter who we played that was embarrassing.

4 of their starters today have less championship experience than players like Bakinson and O’Leary. Probably irrelevant but I found it interesting. Of course hard to match their other 7.
 

Didn’t expect a win today but did expect them to show some grit and toughness. Sadly can’t remember a tackle being put in. Second to every 50/50 ball. The things we need to be good at to be competitive was not there today and that is poor coming off an international break

4 minutes ago, Super said:

For me Toney should have been called up instead.

Odd view imo. He has played 7 premier league games in his career. He is a year and a half older than Tammy. They are both playing at a top level in the country they are in. 
 

However, Tammy has 89 premier league games under his belt already. Has already been part of the senior england set up. 17 appearances in European competitions. With a similar goal scoring rate but with nothing below championship level. 
 

Not saying Toney isn’t great. Not saying Tammy is better. Just saying they have had similar starts to their seasons and that Tammy has more experience at a higher level. 

2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

And against Millwall in mid-week we had 11 shots with just 1 on target, and we lost. That does not mean we are bad, just as yesterday doesn't mean we're a winning machine. We can all pluck a statistic out of the air if we want.

We're average, we're inconsistent, we're developing. That's OK. Average is not bad, inconsistent means we'll win about as much as we lose, and development is a positive thing.

Honestly, maybe the following helps. I'd say at the moment we are about a 6 out of 10...but the fact that Pearson has got us to that level means he probably gets an overall 9 out of 10. Whilst as a squad we're average, he's been well above average in order to achieve that. Does that make sense?

I'd also say that at this early stage I'm not too concerned about league position or how many points off the playoffs we are. It's the least important indicator of ability right now. Goal difference is a better aspect, and we've got +1 after 11 games...which is distinctly average.

We aren’t inconsistent though. We consistently keep teams within reach by not allowing many goals. We consistently create enough chances to score 2-3. It isn’t about stats. As someone who has been to 9 of the 11 league games I can tell you exactly how we will perform. That is consistency. 
 

You said we are distinctly average. Bentley isn’t average. Kalas and Atkinson aren’t average. Massengo, Williams and James aren’t average. I’d argue we are only average up front but combined with everywhere else, we are better than average so far. Distinctly average without our best player yesterday and without our starting LB and put in a performance like that. By your standards you expect us to be a top half premier league side. I just don’t get it

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

We're a distinctly average team. That's a huge improvement on last season.

Going in the right direction though so after being cold on his appointment I'm happy with the job he's done so far this season.

Hopefully he can take us on to the next level as well.

14 minutes ago, RedRock said:

We’re still slightly shit, but less shit than we were. 

Progress.

Never doubted a proper football manager could sort us out. Only concern was once appointed, he would realise just how shit we were and bugger off. Pearson seems to be sticking with us. 
 

Thanks Ashton for sinking us so low, when you had all the cards available to really take us places. 

Distinctly average and slightly shit. Sorry I thought we were in the top half of the table 2 points off playoffs. All this without winning at home. 
 

We aren’t always pretty but we picked up 3 points today in quite poor conditions with several key players missing. We had 16 shots with 6 on target and 10 corners. If anything we have grown from average to start the season to a formidable side just 11 games in. 

I think I know what you boys meant. Just didn’t agree with the wording. 11 games in we have been better than average is all and imo not slightly shit at all. Feel like this is a team growing into the season. 

Really good first half and tired second half. Understandable considering he has played probably 45 minutes all season. Be a real positive if he can find some form as he an upgrade over Pring as a wide attacking player. 

I think Fam is a better player than Martin but possibly not value for money. Idk what either of their wages are but guessing Fam was higher with his 5.2m fee. Factor in what Fam wanted to stay(rumours of 30k or more). Then Martin is a better option for the price. 
 

All that said, needed an upgrade on Fam and need an upgrade on Martin. Idk if we need a target man or a pacy player or a mix of both(probably not a goal scorer if you get both physical and quick). I just know we need different. I was a big advocate of Keinan Davis on loan. Still think I’d lean that way as it would allow us to play in a similar manner. Just that Davis can bully defenders better and run channels better than Martin. Not sure he’d score any less either. Thinking more a forward who creates opportunities for others rather than himself. 

I’d really like to see a more youthful and athletic side. It isn’t likely and in a 433 might need an addition or two in the attacking areas

Bentley

Tanner Kalas Atkinson Dasilva

Williams Bakinson Massengo

Semenyo Wells Weimann

Basically the team that finished against QPR just with Williams instead of James. 
 

Doesn’t mean I don’t like players I have left out just think that could be our most exciting/highest ceiling side. In a perfect world I’d have a more complete striker than Wells and/or an upgrade on Weimann. 
 

Our best XI is probably for me 442

Bentley

Tanner Kalas Atkinson Dasilva

Semenyo James Massengo Pring

Weimann Wells

31 minutes ago, tin said:

I don’t think his work on the ball has ever been in question; it’s what he’s like without it, combined with his lackadaisical style, that prompts criticism. He needs to offer much more than the occasional slide-rule pass IMO.

For context, Martin and Weimann were both very poor last night as well, so Bakinson wasn’t alone in that regard.

I am just not sure he is ever going to be that. It is like everyone wants him to have Massengo’s work rate and Matty James’ positioning to break up play. We don’t get perfect players at Bristol City very often or for very long. So it is about balancing players and their good and bad attributes. 
 

I think NP knows what he is getting from Bakinson. Which is offering that killer pass. That is why he hasn’t been asked to play without two other hard workers around him in two of James, Massengo or Williams. 
 

I think he needs to improve if he wants a good championship career or higher. It is early in his career though so we need to take the good with the bad. The bad will be highlighted to him I am sure and something he can be coached on. As you said, there were a few very poor performances last night but it is Bakinson who has the 3 page thread slating him for all his flaws. 

1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

I think there was also one great pass by Bakinson through to Martin second. Well, I say great if Martin had just a little bit more pace to get on to it. Basically missing a Wells type to get on to such passes and then likely to be more clinical once he does.

I do think Bakinson was poor though. Still has so much to learn.

Think most the team was poor tonight tbf. Bakinson even with not a complete performance put in 3-4 passes that did or should have led to scoring chances. He needs to play to round his game out. He is in his early 20’s with less than the equivalent of a season of championship football under his belt. The good things he does possess are things that you can’t teach. The positioning and things like that can be worked on. 

7 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

From what Nige said recently Britton is nowhere near contending for the first team.

5 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

It is the old OTIB standard on Britton, he is ‘one of our own and he is going to be a star’’ .

He is miles off being a Championship striker at this point. 

Yep. Only young player not to be offered a new deal at end of last season and yet he is continually called upon to be the saviour. 
 

Just play Wells down the middle. Martin has been getting bullied lately(fatigue?) and has been resorting to running channels. Might as well play Wells then. The ball been sticking to Martin less and less. Weimann looks like he needs a break too. 
 

Big fan of both Conway and Bell but there are options we haven’t explored that are much better options for championship football. 

Starting games under Nigel Pearson yet we are still questioning his professionalism or his attitude? Not to mention we have picked up 4 tough points against two very good teams in Fulham and QPR with him starting. 
 

He has flaws. He won’t be a prolific defensive midfielder. He won’t cover the ground Massengo will. His biggest problem? Having Martin and Weimann as options to pass to. If not them a LB in Pring or Dasilva down the left. Usually no one on the right. 
 

I really don’t know how Bakinson can be getting this treatment as the only bloke who can get his head up and A) spot a pass and B) convert said pass. Should have been 1-0 up after Bakinson played Weimann in first half. Second half made himself an option for Pring and played a lovely first timed pass down the wing for O’Dowda who over hit the cross badly. A cynic would say ok he made a few good passes. I would say he is in the team for that exact reason. To make those key passes and be someone to take responsibility and actually get on the ball to get it forward. 

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Exactly.  I’ve no idea how good it bad he’s gonna be but I like the theory of top club junior, goes down the leagues, wants to make it back up the ladder.  I call it the Kieran Trippier model….who I saw at Burnley, on loan initially from Man City, then moving permanently there….wanting to play to show he could get back up to that level.

If George is of that ilk, it bodes well.

I was more than happy with him today.

It uses an algorithm, I wouldn’t lay too much stock in it.  Weimann (is he flappy?) got two assists and that weights his scores massively.

I watched on Robinstv so cannot comment on comms between Tanner and Kalas, but I thought Kalas’s positional play in terms of supporting Tanner wasn’t great…but I can rarely fault his commitment to the cause in other aspects.

It almost felt tactical the way we let them overload our right. We tried to close down McCallum or whichever midfielder but were happy to let it cycle back to Barbet for a deeper cross where we had Atkinson, Baker and Kalas to head away. If it was it generally worked even though they hit the post once. They had a few more where they got their head to it but a big man in red was always there with them to make sure they didn’t make great contact. 

Do you lot watch the football or do you just see cross from right side and assume Tanner didn’t stop the cross? They had a man advantage on the side almost every time. CMs didn’t come across to help. If Tanner charges out to cut out crosses another man runs in behind to the byline. 
 

He wasn’t perfect but he put in a fine display against a good side. Nice to have someone who can contribute on both sides of the pitch. Should be retaining his place off his performance.

1 hour ago, RedHienz said:

Last year is absolutely the marker, learning from the mistakes and lack of cohesion in the team is whats happening, thats how you build the platform for improvement. Of which there has been.

He has s lopsided team, solid additions made in king etc to give us a foundation to play from. Its not perfect but certainly getting there.

We could ofc sign 22 players at random, seems to be working well across the water

 

 

 

What I mean is better than last year isn’t necessarily good enough to stay up. Swansea and Blackpool were good performances where we were unlucky not to win. Preston and Luton we were lucky to pick up a point in each. Perhaps it all evens out. Out of 23 league games at home, it is unlikely we have played a top 10 side come end of season in these 4. 

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

Have home points become more valuable than away ones suddenly?

I missed that rule change.

 

It doesn't matter where the points are won, what matters is getting them.

Come on mate. You know that isn’t what was meant. We aren’t likely to keep the pace of 46 points away from home. So the 12 point pace we currently have at home this season needs to pick up. Fulham and Bournemouth the next 2 at home. Not impossible to win but wouldn’t say we’ll be favourites. Some boos already ringing around the ground at FT. What is the reaction going to be if it gets to 16 games winless at AG? Home form is very important for the season. 

Just now, RedHienz said:

12 months ago we would of lost that, striker short of a decent side and will be safe come August.

So many fantasists thinking this is football manager. Chill.

How long do we keep saying better than last year? We’d have lost that last year. Better than last year. Last year is not a marker you want to use for progress. 
 

I think the question about NP arises because for all the good he has done, he has what? 3-4 wins as city manager. It isn’t the recruitment that is the problem. It is the is he utilising the tools he has as well as he could? 

1 minute ago, tin said:

Excellent post. Yes, that was probably the worst performance so far this season. But the sad fact is we are 18 months or so behind being a settled outfit like Luton, so why people think we have a divine right to win these games - especially in a transitional season - I don’t know.

As galling as Bentley’s clanger was, that was a good point tonight. 

It is going to be a transition to league one if we don’t start winning home games. We have 2 goals and 3 points from 4 home games. All against current bottom half sides. No one has a devine right to win championship games but you do need to win some. We can’t rely on away form to keep us up

I don’t think NP is awful. He did/does have a hell of a job on his hands. That said all he has done is get players fitter. Fair enough it needed to be done. Though it isn’t translating to much more success on the pitch. City seem intent on getting mediocre coaches from England though and NP is upper tier of mediocre. So no point in talking about getting rid. No better would come in. 

3 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

Is Simpson injured?

I forgot he played for us. Genuinely