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I can hear MM repeating the words - I'm not an Accountant, just like in the various interviews we've heard. In true Monty Python, he's just a very naughty boy.

@AnotherDerbyFan What is your view on whether Derby pay Rooney alone or whether it is a combo of Derby and Red32. I guess (split made up) if Rooney is on £90k p.w. and Derby pay £20k / Red32 £70k, I'm guessing Red32 aren't gonna be required to pay £3.5m to Derby in Sponsorship??? Just my simple concept.

@AnotherDerbyFan out of interest, what did Derby do re season tickets last season?

I guess there would be a counter-argument....what did MM do to mitigate Covid? Should he have signed Joswiak, te Wierik, Kazim-Richards, Marshall, Byrne, Ibe and Clarke (loan) in such a Covid-landscape? Other clubs cut back last summer (most didn't admittedly).

Yes, I see your points….expecting the reality of being somewhere between Bob Hope and No Hope. ?

Was Gould at City in Davidson’s days?

Yes, whatever anyone’s views on betting, alcohol, etc, the loss of a revenue stream and expectation of replacing like for like (£s wise) is gonna be tough.

I don’t see how you can expect anything less than a 12 point deduction for Administration. Them be the rules, there is no sliding scale. I don’t see how you’ll get away with the points deduction for the other EFL charges, whether that be 9 (plus 3 Suspended) or another amount of points. Morris already admitted to a breach of FFP in 2018. He didn’t elaborate whether that was one cycle breach, or multiple cycle breaches. With Covid, there is already a process to submit losses and allow these to be allowable exclusions for FFP.

Or EFL negotiating their own tv deal???

Bearded lady an option?

BBC Radio Derby Adminstrators Conference….

Just listening to it…..more than one media person suggesting Rooney paid by more than just Derby! ? because selling it as a football club still in the league might return a better result than just winding it up I guess.

Just after the Jean Genie - he’s outrageous, he screams and he bawls - could be singing about Mel Morris!!!

Agree, was my understanding too.

It’s a very good point. Assuming Rooney doesn’t get PAYE from 32Red, then I don’t care. The BBC article alludes differently. Of course, as I stated, might’ve been sloppy writing. But if 32Red are paying him, then that portion of his wages won’t be going through Derby’s books….and that feels wrong (or other more appropriate word!). I had more of the feeling of the early pro/am rugby days, player x employed by the sponsoring company as a way of avoiding him having to be paid fully by the semi-professional rugby club. My mate was paid by one of Bath RFC’s sponsors to be a glorified milk-man by day, Premiership rugby player by night. I’m not sure a battery powered milk float had enough welly to carry his bulk around.

£39m is of course a 3 year period….so £13m this season is quite easy to bust if Mel was paying in £1.5m per month ?? So I can see why Administration team want to agree business plan, not Morris prior to Administration.

I guess the issue might be that they’ve already bust the £39m???

I wondered whether they were referring more to the proposed Business Plan not being acceptable (needing further negotiation) rather than the points….but that was only my thinking based on “surely they aren’t taking the pi$$ already”!

That was what I understood too….so either sloppy from BBC, or dodgy from Derby!!!

In addition to the obvious financial issues, there are also significant compensation payments to former manager Phillip Cocu and defender Richard Keogh to pay. Cocu was dismissed in November 2020, with an estimated payout of £4m due. Keogh won his appeal in May against his dismissal for misconduct, which cost Derby another £2.3m. And then there is Rooney. Although the bulk of his wages are paid by club sponsor 32Red, in his recent BBC interview in which he apologised to fans, Morris said the club were paying Rooney "a competitive salary". Given his status as a former England captain and his country's record goalscorer, it is assumed Rooney's wages are high. The 35-year-old said at the weekend he had no intention to quit. His contract runs to the summer of 2023. is the bit in bold above true? Thought we’d been told differently. More cheating!

From BBC: The extent of losses beyond 2018 is not known because accounts are still to be published following an agreement between Derby and HMRC that they could be held back until the EFL case was concluded. But it is accepted by all parties they contain further significant losses. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58641014

Think what MM said was they had sent their proposed accounts / FFP submissions, but EFL were still having ongoing discussion with them about the content.

Nope, totally separate things. Administration points already deducted, EFL charges still being finalised.