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  3. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    8 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

    You wouldn't be allowed in if you refused a search. 

    This is the same principle, prove you're not an obvious danger to others, or find something else to entertain you.

    That’s a private company choice.

    this is the government trying to force something on me…

    Since when did the government give a **** about any of us ???

    Now apparently they are so worried about the us, they are forcing vaccine on us ??

    Bullshit 

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  5. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    Just now, italian dave said:

    You evidently have more knowledge of China than I do. But it’s also the way society works here.

    Sometimes by mandate; you’re not free to drive on the right. Sometimes by prohibition if you choose not to comply: driving with poor eyesight, even if, for example, you could have had it corrected by treatment but chose not to because it involved injecting chemicals. 

    I didn’t want to have my European citizenship taken away from me, or be deprived of my right to travel in Europe, but it’s happened because society mandated it by the election of Bozo. 

    Not being capable of driving ???

    Your comparing that to deciding against a medical treatment….

  6. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    9 minutes ago, italian dave said:

    In the UK you are punished if you don’t comply with what the government wants.

    that’s when you commit a crime. 

    11 minutes ago, lenred said:

    Another bullshit statement. You won’t be ‘punished’, youre not going to be put in prison or sent to some camp, you just won’t be able to do some things that vaccinated people will. That’s your choice and you are free to make it. No punishment about it.  

    I wouldn’t be free to attend big events. That is a punishment.

  10. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    12 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

    Isn’t that the case with all viruses? Mutation is a natural part of a virus’ lifecycle.

    are you suggesting that we shouldn’t have bothered with a vaccination programme and just let the virus rip through the world population?

    I’m suggesting that mass vaccination isn’t the right idea or necessary.

    High risk and elderly people - vaccinating them would make sense 

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  11. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    4 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

    Why do you trust him rather than the many more "credible scientists" on the other side?

    That's minutes from a SAGE meeting, talking about high numbers of infections in combination with high levels of vaccination.

    You said this:

      

    That's disinformation.

    You also said this:

      

    Which is missing a massive amount of context and being presented in an intentionally misleading and alarming way.

    Why do i trust him and not mainstream scientists.

    Cos i know scientists, can be corrupted or have their careers destroyed if they speak the truth.

    This guy is putting his career on the line to say this - he has nothing to gain and a lot to lose.

    2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

    Let’s hope Riaz has a better choice of ‘casual’ wear

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    Not a fan of David Icke, BUT a lot of predictions he has made, have come to pass!

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  12. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    18 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

    Sharing disinformation is likely to discourage people though, especially on the football side where most people probably don't give a shit and dont pay too much attention - so to see something worrying like "more people have died from the vaccine than covid" might stand out to them.

    FWIW though I've said all along that I didn't like the idea of domestic vaccine passports because probably naively I didnt expect us to have 60k cases a day when we decided to remove all restrictions 

    I’ve not shared any disinformation and I’ve mainly shared things from the governments websites 

  15. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    7 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

    It went through the same clinical trials as other vaccines, it just went quicker because of the man power and money that was put into it. It was given an emergency license so that it could start to be produced even before stage 3 trials were completed. No other reason

    The vaccine protects those at high risk. If 80% of the population let covid roam free it will mutate into something that the vaccine is ineffective against. Children is another matter I agree, I've stayed out of that debate

    and if you are wrong, and keep spreading this shit trying to discourage people from taking the jab then thousands more could die from Covid

    One of those scenarios is far more likely than the other based on evidence so far.

    I’m not trying to discourage anyone. I kept my mouth shut until it become apparent, that i would almost be forced to have the vaccine!

  17. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

      

    Actually we have a number of ways we count them. Excess deaths (up around 85k in 2020 alone), deaths within 27 days of a positive test (about 130k), and deaths with covid on the death certificate (around 150k).

     

    There's also the issue of your argument being:

    - I don't trust the government!

    - But here's some government data and data from the yellow card scheme to back up what I said

    - But don't look at the rest of the government data, or the rest of the yellow card scheme, I don't trust that again (because it doesn't agree with my very specific viewpoint)

    It's completely logically inconsistent

    I don’t trust those at the top. 
     

    Data will be collated by normal every day people. Doing their jobs.

    And you ask me for a source…

  19. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

    Rushed? Not true.

    Second bold comment is not only untrue, but quite controversial. Firstly what do you define as "healthy" ? Take a look at the people who are high risk, do they not deserve to be safe? People receiving cancer treatment are high risk, many will survive their cancer diagnosis. My mum did and still here 15 years later, I'd be raging if at that moment someone declared her "unhealthy" and not worth worrying about. What about diabetics and ashmatics? They have health conditions but generally live pretty normal lives. Pregnant women are high risk, they unhealthy? (bit of a contentious point as they also aren't having the vaccine, but then agian we are vacinating to keep them safer)

    Third bold comment is quite frankly bollocks. How many people have died BECAUSE of the vaccine? This will help https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales June = 4, May = 3. Cant be bothered to look back any further because the answer is clear.

    Even in October 4.5k people had died with no underlying health conditions: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithnounderlyinghealthconditionsbrokendownbyage

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but yours is awful (and to be brutally honest uneducated) on this matter, and that's a shame because I usually agree with a lot of your points particularly in the politics side.

    Rushed. They didn’t do it for longer than a year, so have no idea of long term affects.

    I’m saying, those high risk, should probably get the vaccine. But the rest of us, ESPECIALLY our children, shouldn’t be forced to take the risk 

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  20. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    3 minutes ago, !james said:

    "I think for myself" and "sheep" just need "MSM" for the hat trick! 

    it's alarming that people like you will always found the 1 "virologist/pidemiologist" that has the alternative view and dismiss the other hundreds who don't share your view on a particular subject. 

    Then "we" get constantly told we are naive, gullible, sheeple etc etc because we follow the MSM and can't think for ourselves because you are one of the few people that knows "the truth".

    Unfortunately as seen on many other social media platforms most people are so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole they can't back down, and come across massively arrogant - see OpenEnd on the Covid thread for a classic example.

    Bottom line fuelling vaccine hesitancy by posting false narratives, wild conspiracy theories and out-of-context stats endangers our return to normality.

    Some of these scientists, are recognised as top scientists in the world. They may have since got flak for going against the mainstream narrative.  
     

    But you do realise, scientists can be corrupted? So it’s not the mainstream scientists that i don’t trust, it’s the system

  24. The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

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    25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

    Vaccination is clearly part of the solution as it has been in medicine for decades already. Nothing is being "enforced" regarding anyone not taking the vaccine, it's the individual's choice. 

    From speaking with a GP friend, the issue isn't "anti-vaxxers" or people unwilling to take the jab anyway. They make up such a tiny minority of the population that we will reach herd immunity without them.

    All I will say is, good job the majority have stepped up, otherwise we'd be in a permanent state of lockdowns and restrictions - and properly enforced ones too. 

     

    34 minutes ago, italian dave said:

    So 

    a) you're evidently of the Johnson "anyone over 80 doesn't really matter" view, only taking it that much further

    b) haven't fully read the small item you've circled: "The deaths aren't necessarily caused by the vaccine though"

    I really don't know why this has to keep being pointed out, but if you base your view on what's recorded on the yellow card scheme, then you'll believe that the vaccine can get you pregnant, give you insect bites, make you redundant and a whole manner of other things. 

    When did i say they don’t matter? 

    I wasn’t against the vaccine until they went to the lengths of trying to make us all have it. 
     

    Give it to those at risk and anyone else’s who wants it.

    Trying to make everyone have it, is dis-proportionate 

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