Lorenzos Only Goal

Love the boy, he was amazing for us, remember the praise he got from pep.

14 minutes ago, Unan said:

No, he's been quoted as wanting to move away from his boyhood club regardless. Moving to us? Maybe.

He is ours, we loaned him back to Derby 

19 hours ago, redkev said:

Talking of players we should sign I’m not sure what deal he’s on and has taken a while to settle due to injury etc I have been very impressed with Haydn Roberts class act from what I’ve seen recently, him & Tanner ( who I have criticised) have been excellent as has Dickie 

19 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Roberts and Tanner both contracted to 2026, no option mentioned at signing

Haydon Roberts has been outstanding in some games.  He's got an eye for turning defensive play into offensive play which is a massive asset.  And he's got a wicked pass on him.  He really makes me want us to play a back three so we can accommodate all our decent CB.  But I also like a good back four setup as well.

I think Naismith can push into midfield but he's got frustrating availability. He's got so many good attacking attributes, but he's fragile now which is unlucky.

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is down to the imagination of the Recruitment process.  We attracted Dickie, Knight, Bird, Roberts, etc, so it’s not Mission Impossible to sign players better than we have.

The other thing I would add is our recruitment has been good in bringing in decent players, what we also have is a bunch of raw players with plenty of potential that are in or around the first team that the academy is developing combined with a couple of development punts Stokes and Murphy.  So we don't need nearly there signings blocking their pathway, they need to stand out and lift the side.

I think you have to be more brutal,

• He's not stood out.
• He's done ok, but he's not a marked improvement.

Given that he's likely to command a high wage and a significant fee.  It should be a no!  

Aww goodie, more skewed income to the big boys who've dropped from the premier league.  

Stupid IMHO.

I'm glad you lot can't stand stoke as much as me would be delighted if that happened.

25 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

That's because it isn't objective. I said to you already you cannot put a number value on what relegation form is because of how it changes year on year.

At the moment, based on the current ppg of the teams in the bottom 3, 30 points would be enough for safety in the Premier League 

That requires less than 0.8 ppg. So all of those ppg values wouldn't be relegation form.

Yes, it's a different division, but it's an easy example and I already listed to you before several seasons where teams stayed up in the Championship with a lower ppg than the value you were using.

 

IF relegation was based on a minimum points level, then you could say below X ppg is objectively relegation form.

 

**** me sideways, you keep banging on about equitable yet you in this very post compare the premier league with the championship.

0.85 points per game would have got you relegated 10 out of the last 10 seasons from the championship.

You call people out for one thing then do it yourself. 

5 hours ago, transfer reader said:

No, you're just not taking what I'm saying.

The 2nd of the ones you quoted is where I'm showing what my point was.

I am not making the claims about the form, I disagreed with Silvio ********'s one, showed multiple times how they were being dishonest by using a table where teams had different amounts of games played to make a claim about our form.

With the screenshot etc, that's me pointing out how it would be seen, not me making an assertion.

Even the first line of it is out of context because it's a response to someone else saying something way off base.

 

If you have to remove context to misrepresent and then claim I'm gaslighting, that's actually you gaslighting.

Look you've clearly called into question someone's assertion that over certain 14 games that it was relegation form.  It clearly was 0.85 points per game is a pretty big cause for concern.  You've then conflated that with the notion of bookies form guides which I provided you link for that explains they're way more random than that, so an actual window of a 14 game run is appalling as it's more than 1/4 of a season, it ended our playoff hopes and allowed a fair few teams to leapfrog us.   Yet your obsessed with calling someone a liar because you think the bookies view on form is best, right?

2 hours ago, transfer reader said:

Or you just weren't being clear

Seeing as from the start youve been acting as if I was doing something I wasn't regarding form.

For the third time, I wasn't the one making claims based on form.

7 hours ago, transfer reader said:

No, you're missing what I said 

 

Our form is top 2 form because it's literally top 2 in the form table.

If it was bottom 3 of the form table it would be relegation form.

That's been my point from the start.

You're adding in ppg, form is always relative to the performances of other teams, but you're ignoring that.

 

Even in those quotes where you've claimed I'm arguing with myself you've ******* misread.

There's literally no more ways for me to state this, I don't know why you're struggling with reading so much.

 

For those struggling to understand, below the red line = relegation form.

 

Now I think you're just gaslighting people.

47 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

Where are you getting this from?

What did you think you're responding to? Because you aren't responding to the words I'm saying, at all.

FML it is a proposition, "for example," Now I know what I'm dealing with, just an argumentative individual that doesn't read posts properly. 

5 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

Again, tell that to the people making claims about when we were in 'relegation form'

I was correcting fallacious conclusions being made.

I'm fine with people using 14 games as a sample size and being worried about it.  It's statically significant especially when the return is 0.85 PPG.  When you talk about the recent uptick in form the previous it's far more probable that you're following a 1.2 PPG path than 2.2 PPG using a window of 18 vs 6.

You then compound that with performances if you think Cardiff for example was great or Okay then you're very much at odds with opinion and then combine that with results people are rightly worried.

The win and manor of the win is greatly appreciated but it's meaningless now, based on our season being toast.

3 minutes ago, transfer reader said:

I'm not the one making and drawing conclusions, just making a point about misuse of the stats.

Not sure why the team in your scenario doesn't get a full season though.

 

The truth is, bookies build form tables on 6 results be made there is a large error margin baked in, and people get suckered in and they make money.  The truth is this is called a "hot hand fallacy" and invariably is more psychology than statistics.

https://medium.com/@deepgreenanalytics/the-illusion-of-form-an-empirical-analysis-of-the-premier-league-930299eaa92a

2 hours ago, transfer reader said:

No, you're missing what I said 

 

Our form is top 2 form because it's literally top 2 in the form table.

If it was bottom 3 of the form table it would be relegation form.

That's been my point from the start.

You're adding in ppg, form is always relative to the performances of other teams, but you're ignoring that.

 

Even in those quotes where you've claimed I'm arguing with myself you've ******* misread.

There's literally no more ways for me to state this, I don't know why you're struggling with reading so much.

 

For those struggling to understand, below the red line = relegation form.

 

Yeah when you win the last 6 games of the season and get relegated because you averages 0.6 PPG for the preceding 38 games.  I expect you to suitably outraged.  People have been rightly concerned that until recently our form has been awful proper shit, 0.85 ppg from Christmas until Easter left a lot of fans with a very bitter taste.  A few wins barely changes the fact our form since Christmas puts us in a bad place next year if it were to carry over.

1 hour ago, TV Tom said:

Leeds have only taken 1 point from a possible six in the last 2 games............... Relegation form

Two games isn't form, is it? Compared to 14 games where we took less than a point per game, this is awful. In the last 18, we were on 1.2 points per game because of the uptick in form, but that is still less than average.   Over the season, we're at 1.3 ppg. I'd like to see us picking up 1.5+ ppg. That gives us a good season plus a chance of the playoffs if we can edge towards 1.6/1.7; for reference, 2+ ppg is top-4 form. 

7 minutes ago, eardun said:

That’s precisely why I thought the calls to sack Manning were premature (coupled with the fact that we had seen some good performances under him). Just three or four months doesn’t give time for any manager to adapt, learn and grow into a new club and role. That’s why I said on another thread that I feel 12 months is a better period in which to judge.

I agree with you if, for example, if Pearson was underperforming; however, Manning was almost immediately in a better position than his predecessor and with the same group of players.

14 hours ago, HunstantonRed said:

A new manager needs time. Players need time too.

If you assume the starting position is terrible (we did have a short-term injury crisis), you need to give the new manager some time. Still, in this instance, his position was almost immediately better than his predecessor, and most fans were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in not tarring him with any responsibility for the nature of Pearson's exit.  That said, he had an indifferent run, combined with a decent cup run, followed by some horrible form for 14 games and this current uptick, combined with a very iffy/pointless expenditure of money on Mabude.  I'm very nervous about giving him a budget and a preseason, allowing him to shape the squad; after the Cardiff game, I would have fired his ass if I'm honest, that said if he stays, I'll judge his impact after the first ten games of next season, as with no pressure its hard to tell what the current mindset of the players is.

Would you let Jon know I would like a free season ticket for my Nephew cheers ? 

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I now want Ipswich to go straight up, so that at least one relegated club stats down, if not two.

Hopefully it’s Southampton, because of Russell Martin 

Emotionally, I just can't bring myself to want any kind of success for Ashton, especially after the mess he left here.   

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I know.  They forget I want City to do well.  LM doing well achieves that.

And I’ve stated several times that if he does succeed, that’s great too.  The only thing I’ve added is that it would be good to understand what changed (assuming he does well):

- nothing changed - I got it wrong / misjudged him

- we threw money at him

- he changed

- etc

It’s no big deal if I got it wrong.  Seems a big deal for others!

Remember I’m the guy who said we should sign Cauley Woodrow, and took the flak when he didn’t do very well here (didn't get much opportunity either!).  It was a bit of a standing joke!  If you put your head above the parapet….

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Although he is playing in the PL, has been to a Championship playoff, etc! )

Hay, I want Ipswich to finish in the playoffs to avoid an egg on my end-of-season prediction that they would be lucky not to drop out of the playoffs.  

10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Better after tonight.

That was an excellent performance.

But I suspect the nuance of it is wasted on you anyway.

There we are then!

Again, you fail to realise the reality of me saying “I’d have sacked him after Cardiff”.  I didn’t have “a way”.  It’s just my opinion on what I’d have done.

Me too, I don't think some people realise that your view of a manager can change over time though.  If he were to show signs of learning and growing next season   

Personally I'm still in the very worried camp, but if we have a shaky start and start picking up good results I'll be ok.  But next season I really want to see us punching at a solid top half finish, all the signs right now is we will be bobbling around 10 places off where I'd like us to be, and that's not the play offs.

51 minutes ago, HunstantonRed said:

“Probably done enough”

Yes I mean the previous 14 games were only relegation form 0.85 points per game nothing to worry about, it was all rosy if you wanted to play league one football next season.  Add in recent results and yay well done your a bottom end table side 1.2 points per game 55 points and mid table...  I'm over the moon with that.

So yes just enough to keep his job, and I'll judge him after ten games next season, and a full preseason.  However the signs are not good that we're going to be punching anything other than mid table.

9 minutes ago, HunstantonRed said:

Wow some absolute whoppers early in this thread. Shocking people were actually calling for him to be sacked.

So was the football

16 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

Will the bed wetters who called for Mannings head after a couple of poor performances/defeats now be calling for his contract to be extended??

 If only it was a few bad results, it was lots and it ended our season in effect.  He's probably done enough to save himself from the chop this season.  I'll give you a verdict after the first 10 games of next season.  I'm still in the camp that he can be exceptionally naive as a manager from what I've seen this season.  The game today though must be in the context of Blackburn are screwed.

Been celebrating Eid all day. 

Congratulations, but you have to feel for the Rovers fans. Their fan base is so small now that it is barely genetically viable.