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23 minutes ago, lenred said:

I really think the money thing needs to be taken out of the argument. Footballers - regardless of the money they earn - are as entitled as anyone else to protection from the virus and to not go to work if they feel that they or their families are at risk.  Because some of them are obscenely rich doesn’t mean they have any more obligation to work if they feel it’s not safe than anyone else.  

It is made easier for them due to the money they earn, a bloke who is working on minimum wage and has to provide for a wife and two kids wouldn’t have that chance at all. 

6 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Sometimes money is a secondary concern. Would you put money over your families welfare ?

Sorry Mum xx

I think you are missing the point. MOST people aren’t able to put money over family welfare, SOME footballers can as they are paid obscene amounts of money. 

9 minutes ago, BigTone said:

But weeks could easily become months or longer. Would you do it ?

Many people are yes as they have no choice, they need to provide for their families.

A lot of footballers can refuse to work as they are earning more than enough money to cover it.

2 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Despite what it may seem I’m not one for conspiracy theories, i don’t really care if it started in a lab or someone ate undercooked bat and then coughed in someone’s face, but as someone who had all those symptoms at Christmas and ended up in hospital a month later and have since tested negative for coronavirus albeit a couple of months after, lots of what the government are saying doesn’t make sense and it seems like they stubbornly believe one narrative and one narrative only 

I hope you are fully recovered now if it was covid or not, hopefully an antibody test does appear and people do become immune that way longer lasting. 

2 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

We keep hearing about second spike don’t we?

Yes, you could be right then. Hopefully you are and this is the second wave if not a lot will die from the stats that’s obvious. 

6 hours ago, havanatopia said:

90% of those who have passed away are over 80 and a higher percentage than that had an underlying condition. 

It is total muppetry that the world has to stop for everyone.

 

As long as your ok that’s fine, don’t worry about others.

What a lovely world we live in. 

20 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Oxford University are now estimating that there’s 140,000 people in the uk infected with coronavirus which is 0.24% of the population, it could be that lockdown has brought that number down dramatically although that isn’t really reflected in the governments own data or it’s like how i said at the start that it started in November/December and that millions have already had it 

It would be tragic if it’s the latter people would’ve needlessly lost their livelihoods while cases of mental health issues and domestic violence have rocketed 

Obviously finding those 140,000 is like looking for a needle in a haystack but it does beg the question whether a vaccine is necessary 

If that is the case with your theory on November/December why has there only been a surge of deaths across Europe the last couple of months? 

12 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Maybe we shouldn't play until measles cases are down to 0....or not play if there is a bad flu season this winter. Previous record for flu is around 28k deaths in one season. Where do you draw the line on public health priorities. There is a vaccination for both these diseases but that doesn't eliminate any risk. 

It’s clear that covid risks a lot more than flu does, also like you said there are vaccines for those. 

Measles for example is normally 0 or 1 deaths per a year in the uk. 

Flu kills around 10k a year in the uk, we have hit triple that With covid in a few months with absolutely no clear sign when or how it will end. 

If football starts again without a vaccine and fans attending there will be quite a lot of people who simply won’t go. Someone with it sitting in a stand could infect a load of people. 

When a vaccine is found or we have 0 cases like New Zealand. 

4 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

I don’t think the nation will hear what they want to hear from Boris later, unfortunately.

This just isn’t going away.

It shows how football views itself and how money driven it is. Football should had been cancelled ages ago. 

I hope Boris reenforces the absolute shit position we are in instead of people thinking we are going back to normal.   

6 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said:

Nah, we simply have to move forward now. Enough is enough. 

What you going to do offer covid 19 out in a one to one no weapons fight in the robins car park instead?

56 minutes ago, BarnzFM said:

Is it fair to take players away from their families for weeks on end? 

A lot of normal people have to do that to earn money for their family, or are footballers too precious to be treated like everyone else?

3 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

An interesting angle from Lincoln City

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-52532786

How would that work when people need a piss 

19 hours ago, BCFC Grim said:

Exactly how I feel. 

I watched a short report on how the pandemic had hit Italy from start till now and I  dont mind saying I was struggling not to shed a tear. 

Seriously how the **** is football remotely important right now??? 

Purely for money, I’ve said it from the start it’s not to get the lads back in employment is it. 

No one has come out and said yet “yes we really need to get the players back in action so they can start working again”

Looking at the BBC website, a good article on how we were too slow as a country and will be paying the price now for a long time.

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Even with a comprehensive contact tracing programme in place, Prof Sridhar said physical distancing would be with us for a long time.

She said: "I think we're going to have to alter our behaviour in terms of having mass gatherings, concerts for the next year, year and a half until we know more about this”

People need to get it out their heads that we will be watching football for the next year or so. 

I think our government plan is to let this run for the next year or so, let people die in one big phase like someone above said.

Rather than say Spain’s idea of a total lockdown for weeks on end to try and get rid of it, then keep all borders closed. 

Theres no way we will see it magically disappear here with our current “lockdown”

12 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/exclusive-bristol-rovers-launch-investigation-4091367.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting listen if you can get hold of it. Basically says there is little chance of the season starting before Jan, the FA etc can’t justify 100k tests when it’s needed for people who are actually important like the NHS, and the plan is to do 3 up from each division, No one goes down then the next season have more relegations. 

One of the main issues with me is and it sums how pathetic it is all is,

With football , blokes who want to have a punch up etc end up getting whacked by the police no questions asked 

A killer pandemic is happening and people are buying cushions from b and m with nothing being done. 

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Compliance may have dipped in the last week or two.

Nonetheless, a couple of weeks ago, I recall compliance exceeded that expected by the modelling and by a decent amount too. 

Think a lot of people don't like or trust various institutions. Could it be playing a part?

I personally think it’s a complete lack of respect for the government , police etc, crossed with a Chronic under funding of the police/NHS. 

If you took the Spanish police and army, stuck them over here and let people carry on buying hot tubs they would soon be screaming human rights when they are getting hit With a baton. 

The worst in this country is a telling off and a £30 fine 

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Questionable. Debatable.

Did Government predictions, modelling, not anticipate 20% non compliance? Was quite a bit less lower IIRC.

Granted, this may have changed and developed further.

Questionable? People are going to the range to buy hot tubs, Greggs is reopening. None of that is actually needed is it?

This is no way an actual lockdown. 

25 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Can’t entirely agree with you on that one.  I think resuming sport is massively important in terms of morale.  At the start of the Second World War they closed theatres and cinemas, but realised that the negative effect on morale was so bad that they were quickly reopened.  The media might like to promote the idea that many people are having a lovely time doing daft things in their garden and applauding the NHS,  but I think what people really need are things that provide entertainment in their lives, none more so than sport.  Otherwise I can easily see the lockdown being broken, simply out of frustration and boredom.

The lockdown is already being broken as the British public are pathetic, it hasn’t even been a proper lockdown. 

Take Spain For example, kids are finally allowed out the house for the first time for 6 weeks for a massive hour a day. 

2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I must admit, I haven’t missed football as much as I thought I would - this dreadful situation has seen a lot of priorities being reassessed I think. Who knows what it will be like if and when we get back to some sort of normality. 

You’ve said on here before that China was able to open its factories etc relatively quickly and you seem to be criticising our government for not following suit - what would you have done differently? Do you think all our businesses should be back to pre-pandemic operating schedules right now? 

An actual lockdown for a start,

prepping PPE when it was clear it would spread,

not allowing mass events like Cheltenham 

I mean that’s just 3 out of many, shops like Greggs McDonald’s all the diy chains are starting to reopen, we arnt on a lockdown at all. 

37 minutes ago, Super said:

Not completely true. The Government are pushing for Football to come back.

Seeing as most of Europe has cancelled football and our government is pushing for it to come back, while on Track for the worst death rate in Europe I think that is telling. 

53 minutes ago, phantom said:

That is absolutely disgusting and completely money driven. 

I see football in France has been suspended even if it would be behind closed doors, yet for some reason people in this country are desperate to watch it and the clubs are money driven instead of trying to save people’s lives.  

Even FIFA’s chief doctor is advising against it 

Fifa's chief doctor has warned against restarting the interrupted 2019-20 campaign and suggested governing bodies prepare for action next season instead.

"There is a risk and it is not a risk that has small consequences," continued D'Hooghe.

"It can have consequences of life and death and that is why I am so careful and I ask everyone to be very careful before deciding to play again.

"I speak as a medical doctor, I don't have to speak as an organiser of matches, but for the moment from my medical standpoint I would be very sceptical."

11 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

It seems increasingly likely that many clubs will not be able to survive the current crisis and - sadly for me-  Rovers would appear to be one of those at serious risk.

What will become of this thread if we do go?  You need to start thinking of your exit strategy, would it become the 'Cardiff dustbin thread' or will you wait to see if a 'phoenix' Rovers starts up and start hating them instead?

Personally. I'm beginning to see the upside of this scenario. I can continue disliking City and laughing to myself when they fail without having Rovers ******* it all up for me by, well just by being Rovers really,

One rare positive of all this pandemic would be rovers going bust,