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Think we were doing it in the late 90's early 2000's. Gas games in particular. I loved night games at Ashton Gate back then.

This does make me a feel a bit old. That game does not seem 15 years ago.

True we never see examples of police using their power excessively especially at football. I guess the only people that really know in this situation will be the people there. I'm sure there is more to the story than second hand information from Dad.

Scott rightly get plaudits, but I think Cameron Lewis Moir-Pring is having a solid game.

It was used for the first time by Corinthian Casuals around 1910 if I remember correctly. Ahead of the curve those boys.

Hull is one of my earliest football memories I think. Just did a search and think it was this one as I remember we thrashed them. Only 5k in attendance apparently! https://youtu.be/Z2FZl5PktCc

Certain fans.

A bit of old techno for a Tuesday morning. https://youtu.be/0gR36KtaHUs

Yeah amazing scenes. Loved the celebrations and I have a soft spot for the Scottish FA Cup as me and my Dad always used to joke about the names when they came up on Soccer Saturday. Keith being a particular favourite. Jim Goodwin I always thought was a decent lower league DM limited by injured. Don't think he'll last much longer in this role.

Is it 20 years already?

It's all a bit embarrassing really this. The points being made don't even mean anything to us. Even if Johnson rubbed people up the wrong way, never managed above us after he left and had a goalkeeper that peaked as a mid-table championship keeper it doesn't affect what he did with us. He ultimately got us promoted, united a club, and nearly took us up again. It fell apart eventually, but it's very rare that doesn't happen at some point. It doesn't matter what he did after he left us, or if we punched above our weight as a squad, they were good times with lots of good memories. What are we meant to be getting upset about? I think we are all aware of the limitations that squad had. Hell Bristol Rovers would be thriving on the plucky underdog vibes grinding out results like we did for that first season.

Interesting list there considering two of the clubs nearly folded due to the money spent bringing the success, and Cardiff are at a high risk of long term problems and had the heart ripped out of them. Swansea have had a wobbly time too, but seem to be okay on the whole? Makes you wonder if it's worth it.

Martyn was a quality 'keeper no arguments there. Rovers have plenty of decent players over the years. You were focused on Phillips as if you got one over us, but it's never been a big deal as we got the better 'keeper and moved on. Basso reached his peak with us and left at the age of 33 irc so I'm not surprised he didn't do much after. I'm aware of our record at Twerton, but I'm in my mid-30's and I can't remember any of it. Think about that for a second. I do have some good memories of games against Rovers and miss the derbys to an extent. Mad to think that kids these days don't have any awareness of them. You really are grasping at straws.

Which probably tells you the standard of goalkeepers you've had over the years. Phillips was a decent Goalkeeper for mid to upper league one teams, but obviously lacking in several areas. We replaced him with someone who was a good Championship keeper who also lacked in several areas to get the step above. Not sure why anyone is really responding with vitriol to this stuff as the best he's got is a period of time when they were playing in Twerton and apparently good. A JPT win and having our League One 'Keeper from us when we didn't want him anymore. I don't even remember Twerton because I was about 5, and no one under the age of 30 can really remember playing them in the league. It's laughable really.

Bless.

Every time I stand up at football I do a line a coke. Fact.

It was one of the things that tempted me back for a few games this year. I really wanted to see the likes of Scott and Semenyo before they move on.

Regardless of what he was like off the pitch Louis was quality at times for us and led from the back. Seems he's doing well post playing career, and it's good to go away from what you know like Tinnion eventually did. Some people appear more aloof, or find smaller interactions harder to manage. I'd imagine for the role he has now he has to have good interpersonal skills, commitment and boundaries to support the young people in their transition. Good luck to him.

Things aren't really getting better at the moment though. They are regressing as hate crimes have been rising over recent years and we had a full on shooting spree at a gay bar in America just last year. There is still a lot to be vigilant about and we shouldn't accept people being attacked due to their sexuality as a way of life - just like we shouldn't accept it if straight person was attacked simply for being straight. (Though I agree we'll never stop all of it ) I do think there are massive issues with using the words Privileged, as when you're a white kid on an estate it's hard to really see that as privilege. I can see though that the black people I grew up with had more challenges to face even if our economic backgrounds were the same. For example a Black Woman is much more likely to have to deal with Sexism and Racism than I did in the UK growing up and as an adult. That's all that people are saying. That's not to say the white straight male has had an incredibly Privileged life.

Yeah fair thanks. On Palestine - I was losely around some of the groups in Bristol and it was quite clear how Anti-Semitism was easily slipped into there unchallenged. Even if it wasn't intentional for some it was there. I only truly recognised it when I reflected back. I think we largely agree in Palestine, but there are massive issues with both sides of the debate. If we are now more divided then ever did things like the Bus Boycott, Brixton Riots, Southmead, Hartcliffe and St Paul's riots not happen? Were there not suppression of the miners strikes, poll tax riots, stonewall riots etc. Those are just some of the social upheavals that spring to mind out of many that existed before I was born. Speaking to people I know from then it doesn't sound like it was a time of harmony and equality. That ignoring the huge geo political situations that were happening then too. I think what has changed since then is that lot of discrimination has been fought against, and the Internet has changed how information is shared and the world has got a lot smaller with everything more in our faces. Groups of people who didn't have a space for their voice, from all backgrounds, now have access to potentially millions of viewers through social media and services like YouTube etc. It's one of the biggest changes since Industrialization here and we are still trying to get to grips with it. I do agree that people jump down peoples throats too quickly and are to quick to fire accusations without even trying to understand where someone is coming from, or how they developed. I don't think you can squarely lay the blame at the feet of woke people. If you think that it's solely woke people and cancel culture that are the issue then that means ignoring Incel Ideolgy, the Alt-Right, and all the other grubby stuff that's out there that is also polluting the water. I fail to see how they are promoting our similarities, but it becomes an issue of wokeness if they are challenged? I am not a fan of cancelling people, but I do think people have a right to challenge something they don't agree with just as much as someone has the right to say it. The people who love to talk about woke people are often the same people crying because of criticism of the royal family after the Queen died. Feels that cancel culture is okay when it's the right voices being cancelled. Thanks anyway - I don't fully agree with what you've said and where the issues lie, but I just think it's more complicated than simply being an issue with wokeness and I don't believe that we are necessarily more divided, it's just in our faces more.

Again I don't think that's completely true, but I do agree in some ways that certain elements of the circles I have mixed in have been guilty in the stuff they've overlooked when supporting certain groups. I don't want to fall into left and right narratives, but the left rightly do get pulled up on this both internally and externally though not enoguh. Due to the nature of the right it's much easier for them to pick and choose what's acceptable. Can you give some examples of where equality isn't expected both ways? Genuinely is helpful and I can probably think of some too. Like I remember when I was quite young and naive I didn't realise how much Anti-Semitism there was in Pro Palestine groups (not all) and how easy it was for it to slip in. Made me very wary of those groups and the people that mix in them. Also supporting groups on a racial issue, but maybe ignoring their blatant sexism? Do you mean that kind of stuff? Really there can never be true equality in this country, but not due to these issues. We are taught to hate and distrust eachother whilst the people that control our essential resources make record profits. Government's (left and right) and the people that support them rely on there being an enemy that they can deflect that on too, whether it's working class people striking, migrants, people who use drugs, people that need benefits, or the young people. It's never them and the people they support. In my opinion at least

Is it clearly people getting offended on others behalf though? That's not been my experience. A lot of my female friends find jokes about rape distasteful for example. I can understand why those jokes are really problematic now even though growing up I just thought they were funny. I used to think Sickapedia was the funniest thing on the internet. I know my family network used to make a lot of racist jokes which had an impact on me as a teenager and that's why I think it's good to think carefully about the narratives you're feeding into. Like a lot of white people I have been racist in the past and said racist jokes. I could either double down on that and talk about how everyone's so easily offended, or I could reflect on my behaviour to understand where it came from, the impact it had and think about how I want to be moving forward. As far as I know no black person I have ever been friends with, or worked with has had a problem with being called black and that's always how they've described themselves so why would I say coloured? Some really don't like the word coloured particularly those around my age as it was dying out then - so naturally I am not going to use it. I also recognise that it's not helpful to jump down peoples throat if they do use it, and that just because someone does use it that they are racist. I know for a fact I am not perfect. It's worth remembering that we are not one homogenous groups of people. I couldn't speak for the entire LGBT community and there will be people that would disagree with me - I definitely disagree with others a lot. Just like not all black people agree about what is racist, and what's not. It's more complex than a set of binary laws made in Westminster. In terms of comedy whose making the jokes? I have been to see a Muslim comedian who uses some of his experiences in comedy. It was really funny and also interesting to hear from his perspective. I guess that could feed into a narrative, but it was really clever and thoughtful rather than "Mohamad :laugh:." I've also seen some great comedies made by people who grew up in a similar environment to me and it was way better than any of the shit made by posh public school/university kids. Making jokes about your own culture is quite different to making them about someone else's in my opinion, but maybe that's wrong? I also don't think it's necessarily true you cant make a joke about another culture, but I think it's a lot harder to do without falling into tropes and merely causing offence. So be good at it and clever I guess? Comedy always sails a bit close to the wind and sometimes it oversteps it. I don't feel it's as under attack as people make out as there are some great small comedy nights around. You won't necessarily find much racism. Not only because its not accepted, but because what's left of that material that hasn't been said already? Sorry for the long post again.

Back then a lot of people were offended by Men openly kissing in public. There are still people around now that would struggle with it. I think it's a bit of a myth that society wasn't so easily offended back then, it's just we're not offended by the same things now. In the 70's a lot of those jokes did hurt and offend a lot of people, they just didn't have the voice to be able to call it out, and society generally didn't care that they were being discriminated against. It's not "easily offended" when you have been assaulted and abused for your sexuality. Using sexuality as an insult towards someone else indicates that there is something wrong with it, and that feeds into a narrative that they are less than. The person making the joke might not be homophobic, but they are helping to perpetuate that idea and that does lead to real life discrimination of gay people. I totally acknowledge that we all make mistakes and I've made loads of jokes that I look back on and regret - I will definitely do it again I'm sure. Language is also changing constantly and I think most people are more scared of getting something wrong so they retreat into a defensive stance straight away - "people are just to easy to offend these days" I think it's okay to get something wrong and to reflect on it. People also have the right to challenge us on something we've said even if we don't agree with it. As always context and situation are important.

I completely agree.

I remember back then constant threads on here saying how the Atyeo is bad for acoustics and that was why we needed the east end. I agreed and loved going down the east end glad I got to experience that even if it wasn't the same as back in the day. Seems the away fans don't have a problem with creating an atmosphere in there though so it can't just be the type of stand. I sat in the bottom part of A Block for the Sunderland game and it was quite good. They bought loads and there was good backwards and forwards throughout the game. Thought it would be even better against teams like Cardiff. I think the club have made some good decisions recently and should be praised for their community work, but I'm inclined to agree that the club aren't really interested in their being a hot atmosphere that is hard to control. I can kind of understand why from a business and headache point of view, but it's out of touch with a fairly large element of our fans. It's also not surprising as ultimately we are talking about billionaires and people from corporate backgrounds who make the decisions. As great as Ashton Gate is now, it is also a reflection of that clean (on the surface at least) and corporate world. It's no different from many grounds in that respect and for better, or worse that's how football is now. Look at Cardiff for another perfect example of this.