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Guess depends how long you have been watching and where your historical benchmark of city is, for most of my time, the average has been below our current level or yo-yoing between the 2 divisions. Completing against the gas, swindon Plymouth etc, so being an established championship team to me is progress on the field and we can all agree massive progress off it. It seems some can only be happy in the prem and whilst I would like us to get there, it does not prevent me enjoying us being competitive in the current division

To a degree it's not surprising that Nige would have had us higher than where we are now, it would be the same players playing a system they have been coached for a long period. We know LM is trying to change style and was always going to be difficult and maybe a gamble mid season, particularly as many believe we do not have the players to implement it. The decision was obviously made early that Nige was not the future, hence given no money and Nest egg. Maybe the sacking was forced a bit by Nige bringing things to the fore, but even had he not been sacked he would have been gone in the summer. Bringing in LM has at least given plenty of time to implement and develop the change in styles believed necessary for success. It has likely ruined this season, but equally the change could have worked and got us close to the play offs. Whilst frustrated with results I am pleased we are planning and building, which has more chance of making next season successful than had it happened with only a pre season

Sorry Dave don't see how a loss that was not unexpected by many to a side aiming to go top 2 after 4 wins on the bounce could be the straw that broke the camels back. Accepted it was a poor performance but nowhere near as bad as 1st half against Birmingham and following a good showing at Coventry. To me it was weird, we started well and took the game to Leeds, until the Tanner incident and totally lost our way after. This place is always so negative after a loss, some of which is fair and good discussion over shape and style, but some just ott nonsense for the sake of posting.

I mentioned on the match day thread, we struggled under Nige until we swapped from a back 5 to a 4 and seems the same under LM, think someone said our last win was as a back 4? Perhaps with players coming back from injury (skyes badly missed) and Twine will make the difference. Trying to decide how we set up, when they are both back. McCrorie Vyner Dickie Pring Knight Williams TGH Skyes Conway Twine Maybe harsh on Tanner, but see McCrorie a bit more aggressive, always like Nailsmith as a bit if a quarterback role in midfield when he is fit. Atkinson over Dickie could be a close one.

So what's you solution, go out and spend lots of money on top end Championship/ prem players? Think we tried that and Nige spent 2 years getting rid of them and had to sell Semenyo to avoid a points deduction. We have good players that have come from the academy and L1, so are you really suggesting we get rid of them or stop trying to cherry pick some of the talent to develop. The team is a mix of younger and experienced players. By tippy tippy, the fact we are trying to change from a team that played on the counter attack, instead trying to be the dominant side. Don't think anyone can pretend it's going to be easy to change particularly mid season, but it no good wetting your bed sheets and posting crap just because we lose to a good Leeds side.

Typical nonsense reply and usual guff, moving the goal posts. I reacted to your pathetic post, we are not just buying L1 players, we missed out on a highly rated player to Middlesbrough, brought in Twine and may make it permanent, stated we are after more players in the summer, We have done some good business securing sought after lower league players to develop, althoufh Bird was an established Championship player. We will look to move on some of the older players who were brought in by Nige to establish a culture and change the dressing room, but they cannot go on forever. But as usual your head is so far up your ass looking at your own agenda that sense is alien to you

We did not start off like it, we took the game to them in the 1st 13 minutes, until Tanner took to long on the ball and got robbed, we survived and spend the next period penned back. It seemed to sap all our self belief or maybe raised Leeds. For my sins I watched the game back, we started well

A few takes from last night Started well, but seem to lose all confidence of passing after Tanner giving the ball away on 13 minutes Conway and Wells as set up did not work and totally lost our LHS threat Could not understand why Knight ended up further forward than Conway when defending, surely Knight as a midfielder should have been the 1 going deep. Like knight, but not good at the front midfielder We were better once we made the subs Missed what Twine can offer. We are not taking shots from outside the box, which had increased after LM first came in Not convinced with the back 5 shape, we were no good under NP when we used it and only improved when changing to a back 4 Fatigue with playing so many games can be as much mental as physical, we seemed slow in the decision making and so many passing errors with moving the ball slower than we have been Leeds are in fantastic form, with 5 wins on the bounce, going to be interesting who makes up the top 2 between them and Southampton Very disappointed with performance, as poor as we have been for some time, after a good display at Coventry

Wow, must have taken you ages to come up with such a well thought out and witty reply Thinks it's more on reflection after a defeat, the acceptance that we played a team worth 200+m more than ours Leeds were poor early in the season, have now just won 5 on the bounce and up to 2nd

And how long to mould them into his style of play....context

Thought we started well, until the game changed after Tanner taking to long on the ball and robbed, we just seemed to lose belief and any bravery to move the ball quickly with Leeds fast press. Tommy playing left did not work and lost any of our out ball via Pring as could not combine. Williams like many worse game for a while, perhaps to many games in quick sucession catching up with them. Improved slightly after subs, but Leeds a class above on tonight showing,

So we have a player that is a bit Meh on 1 wing and Dire on the other, that should keep a few happy

I don't care what the usual doom and gloom Otib merchants think, I like the look of him and excited we get the benefit of seeing how he manages championship football before we take up the option. The same doom and groomers moaning about boring football, well he looks the type of player that can get fans off there seats, but no doubt they will find something negative as they like the sound of there own dull voices

Worried that so many matches over a short period will take its toll, we looked a bit leggy at times at Coventry, so with only a few days recovery when Leeds have had all week could be deceive

LM was quoted earlier he was disappointed we had not managed to finalise a deal by lunch time, so a player we are close to signing could have played tomorrow, and confident will be done tonight

Its a tactic we used with success to win the race for Josh Stokes, so using again to secure a player we want in the summer

Totally agree, as I said back on the thread, makes very good sense, if its a player we want, then get the business done. The 2.5m seems just a figure banded around for people to get up tight about, but would not be OTIB, if someone was not finding a negative to say

Someone put a finger in their finger, put it on the internet and now repeated on here - so its a fact

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/breaking-max-bird-bristol-city-9072675

If true, we certainly are getting our summer business done early, not a problem if it secures a player we want

Replays Simms looks offside and ball out of play for their 1st

Why has he not taken Mehmeti off?

Ref true to form 2 players jump, has to be a cov free kick,

That was nowhere near offside wtf