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I know it's popular to attack the Lansdowns, but it was JL who introduced they may consider investment if they had the right expertise, surely the only expertise an investor would want, would be at a senior level that has some control. Perhaps the unpopular flatened management structure is only planned as interim, eventually paving the way for the possibility of new investor led board members or senior management.

We were very good in that game, but did have a certain £25m young lad playing for us, in one of his best games he played

No problem with what you say about club structure, but it the way you tried to portray it in your original post making out its something sinister that SL owns 100% of the ground. SL had to do away with the 25% limit as otherwise could not invested the way he has If SL decided to sell the ground, I am sure things can be put in place to cover different eventualities and no doubt if someone bought the club relying on a lease, would need to ensure this, so really just a lot of hot air.

Not sure if on your ignore list, but quite happy to be You have been very vocal over NP sacking and your displeasure at Manning, even saying in a post you don't like him and happily see him gone or words to that effect. Rather than now just praising Manning you try and twist it that he has gone away from Manning ball and changed from the 1st few games, back towards NP style. The 1st game was QPR which was meaningless then games we played well in parts, including where we Could have been 3 -0 up at Southampton. The first games he wrongly played players out of position and learnt some lessons and accepted he perhaps overloaded them with information, but that does not nean he has gone away from a playing a style he is trying to implement. Of course there will be similarities to NP as he signed the players. Although Mehmeti has been given games and the undropable Bell dropped and even James today. I was a Nige fan and gutted when he was sacked, but recognised there is a lot more to it than any on us know Things beyond our control have changed and now we just have to enjoy the ride

What a superb performance against a form team

Just confirmed on robins tv, it is Matty James on the bench

Guess if its James, that's not our main stay James on the bench then James must have picked up an injury or sickness bug or eaten undercooked Turkey

He is according to the team sheet, unless that's changed

James dropping to the bench could be due to light injury or was one affected by the bug the other day or big decision, but thought Williams was good when he came on. It is a squad game particularly over Xmas.

It is when you try to misrepresent it, like this So now Steve owns pretty much 100%, and in doing so has taken away the sole tangible asset, the football stadium, which Steve now effectively owns personally. SL owns 99-100% of all the companies, but you have tried to imply he has taken the ground away from the club and stashed in his back pocket for possible alternative mostives. When in reality he has done no different to a lot of clubs to protect the ground and perhaps more to ensured it is linked to the football club with a lease you only have to look at the company structures and even the accounts just submitted to see they are linked. Guess you could argue its possible to sell the club without the ground now, but it would have to be a watertight agreement for its continued use, otherwise no one would purchase, but what good is a ground that SL or anyone else cannot do anything else with for 100 years. No problem with having a difference of opinion or having a dig at the Lansdowns when it's factual and not twisted to meet an agenda

The point I was asking Dave was, Rugby is showing a loss at Bristol Rugby Ltd, but all the revenue generated at the stadium during games goes to Ashton Gate accounts, so not straight forward to see the actual liability of the Rugby club Or at least that was my take on it?

My understanding, correct me if wrong, the Bears are loss making, but there figures will not include the revenue made at the stadium on match days so would need to be able to separate out to see the true picture

Fair point, but I guess without breaking down all the figures and seeing what is generated vs additional cost then we don't know. The principle is sound and if not producing results, needs looking at why As I said bar some minor issues I do not see the big problem with Bristol Sport

Sorry when you say ours, not sure you talk for all fans or even the majority. Lots attend both Bears and city games, or are able to look past a few negatives for the bigger picture. Funny you should mention tiers of management, as that is exactly what has just been streamlined, due to the overlap. (Not saying we have it right yet) Concerts, rugby and any other functions produce revenue at the stadium which is fed back into the stadium company and therefore help us, otherwise the stadium would only be used, once every 2 weeks for part of the year, although you still have all the same running and staffing costs Maybe that's why you are so confused if you are thinking about cricket or running tracks.

But it's what has been put in over the years and likely to only ever get a percentage of it back. We can try to play it down, it's only 20m, only 1%, but that seems to be about the loss you incur running a championship football club, which means as fans we are only paying about a third of what it costs to watch our team, with the other 2/3s subsidised by SL Perhaps if he did a Sheffield Wednesday and asked the fans to dip more into there pockets to fund the club, would not be much uptake

Not sure I see the issue with Bristol Sport and why some see it as the basis of all evil. Yes we have a few rugby pictures around the ground, but the seats inside are all still red. I was initially concerned about the pitch, but bar a few painted out lines has not affected it. What it does do is give much better utilisation of the stadium and exposure or the football to other markets, when the sporting quarter gets built it will be more of a multi sport venue

The stadium has been covered before, everything is owned by SL and ML as they own all of the companies. The ground being separated is standard procedure adopted by lots of clubs to protect the ground if the foot ball club had problems. The club is further protected by having a 100 year lease of the ground. Even the accounts that have just been released are for the club and the ground. But you can try to twist it as a snipe at SL.

If you on about ticket prices?, the point I was trying to make, is we only pay about a third of what it costs to have a championship team to watch Agree they charge the maximum they can get away with

But all the dept is owed to SL, some of it is due to the decisions that have turned out not to have worked some down to mistakes that have been made, some infrastructure and some due to the losses, as championship football is loss making. If SL eventually sells, he will only get what someone is prepared to pay, and will have to take on the chin the balance. If the price is too high, he will not be able to sell and hopefully continue to underwrite the cost of championship football. I have no problem with criticism and much of it I can agree with, but a lot is just with hindsight and without the full picture The abuse is pathetic and often says more about the childish nature of those making comments thinking they are being clever. Ps I did not say be carefull what you wish for, we all know that any change is a risk.

Weather its £20 or £40, SL is underwriting it, it was said on the other thread what about Preston or Millwall well they both lost £19m The fact is a mid champ team loses a lot of money, that SL puts his hands in his pockets and covers, in other words supplements all of us to go and watch city, and should at least have a bit of gratitude for it. Of course can do better, maybe new owners would do better, and I am not against that, but don't believe he deserves the rubbish some on here come out with

You stated it was proof of how clueless they are, But offer no proof at all, just someone liked a comnent who may know something or may of heard something 4th hand that may or may not be true You just look for any nonsense to sling sh1t at the Lansdowns, but don't let facts worry you after all hearsay on a forum is proof

No proof at all then

Great Post, but just quoted part I can understand disappointment with not getting to prem, I understand frustration with decisions, but comments are mainly done with hindsight and always without knowing all the facts and reasons behind them. What annoys me is the foul derogatory abuse made towards the Lansdowns by some on here as never hear it elsewhere. Some of these posters are the same who moan about the price of ticket and will not buy refreshments at the ground. They are happy to slag off SL, but ignore the season tickets would need to be 3 times the price they are if not for SL putting his hand in his pocket and covering the cost of being a mid championship team

What proof?

Dislike Leeds, but still found myself pleased as each goal went in