Logical-City

1 minute ago, spudski said:

It's obvious NP wants to play out from the back. Naismith is probably our most natural ball playing passer of a ball in the present back three. 

He wants to utilise his vision and passing ability to break lines.

He's obviously confident in his own ability...however, he quickly needs to cut out passing across advancing forwards, where if intercepted like yesterday, you leave yourself massively open.

When he's good it works. What's sad...is it's the individual errors that are doing us...not the style of play.

Naismith did play left in a back 3 at Luton and did well there.

You could in theory swap his position with Atkinson who has played more centrally. 

I guess it's finding a balance between being affective at building from the back and creating...or shoring up more and being less creative.

The conundrum will be what we do when a fit and ready Kalas returns.

Imo...Vyner, Naismith and Atkinson all contribute to the way we play...front foot and offensive.

The likes of Kalas and Klose far more defensive and less effective offensively.

Then you have the likes of Joe Low and Ryley Towler in the wings waiting for their chance to come.

 

 

Did he play to the left ? I can only find highlights of the Fulham game of him where he is playing central?

Maybe it’s just eagerness he has just made a big move after only a couple of seasons as a defender at a new club? It’s just basics at this point as an ex defender I would think Pearson would be all over this, he has technical ability clearly so should not be slicing clearances or miscontrolling the ball.

Concentration and composure needed I think Klose needs to play with Naismith and Atkinson.

Vyner has to be sacrificed but we still win a lot of games with that back 3 IMO just a gamble each time which I enjoy tbh we will win more than we lose but how many can we win ? Paid off for Luton 

2 minutes ago, Magger1 said:

I think he will be big enough to recognise his mistakes and learn so rather than slate the bloke let’s all support him and the team as we move forward in the hope of progression COYR 

Worth getting behind I think as he brings more than he takes away. Cost us 6 points this season but massive part in us having 14. 

He’s still settling in hopefully as the season goes on will improve.

Kalas is not a bad option to fall back on 

Retracted : maybe he wouldn’t be terrible moved to the right …

On 12/09/2022 at 12:13, old_eastender said:

Norwich Weds, Burnley Sat, these games will show whether, or not, we can be viewed as realistic play-off contenders. 

Personally think 3 pts from the 2 games would be an excellent return. Anything more and I'll really start to get carried away!

A lot will depend on how well our wing backs can offer defensive cover, as well as getting forward. Sunderland showed just how the holes behind our wing backs can be exploited. 

Nice to be looking at the top end of the table, rather then the bottom even if we do get beat in both games.

 

 

 

 

If we lose both but perform as we have been defending well and creating chances I will still be enthusiastic.

One of the most impressive things about us this season so far is we actually look like a decent side and with options on the bench! These 2 games won’t control our destiny this season 

2 hours ago, Bristol_South_End said:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/conway-named-efl-young-player-of-the-month/

 

Congrats TC!

Confusing why it’s young player of the month and not player of the month We have risen to 4th in the table from the bottom half and he has been scoring in every win Ageist as confusing to me why Scotland call him to the u21s and not the seniors despite out scoring and out performing those ahead of him in a higher standard of football ….is it the fact he’s a Bristol City player perhaps 

3 hours ago, 2015 said:

QPR had a good squad for that level. Kevin Gallen, Gareth Ainsworth, Paul Furlong, Marc Bircham, Martin Rowlands, Danny Shittu and Jamie Cureton were players who were playing beneath their level at that time. 

The only thing I'd say about that City side is which player really kicked on at the higher level to do well? Carey? Hill? 

Players in their prime is what we had:

Doherty, Tinnion, Bell, Coles, Carey, Peacock, Hill , A.Brown I would argue better than what QPR had I rated Roberts’s also as someone who could have done some damage in Division 1, we also resigned Murray for £650,000 the squad was there 

Luckily Garry came along and showed us what being a ruthless winning team was about and against a much harder competition in big spending Nottingham Forest 

On 08/09/2022 at 23:04, Robbored said:

That miss cost City automatic promotion and we’d have had no need for the pray-offs.

QPR and Plymouth had terrible squads in comparison to us we had all the resources and the miss against Swindon not starting to win games until October drawing at home to Chesterfield and other shocking teams beating us away is what cost us

1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said:

Rather than calling it mourning, I’d call it a mark of respect.  

Is missing 22 people kicking a bag of wind around a football field that big a deal really??

But why can’t we be off work now ?

6 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Some of the reactions on here from posters I’ve previously always respected is frankly shocking and really saddens me.

Absolutely typifies the sense of entitlement these days.  We have just lost the country’s figurehead who has gained worldeide respect and given over 70 years of dedicated service to her country and citizens and all they can bleat about is having a game of football delayed.

Heaven help us if we ever had to face a war again, because we’d be ****** with this bunch of whingers!!!

Owners have taken it upon themselves to cancel football this weekend not the Royal Family, not the government and not the fans. We are being forced to mourn not celebrate a 96 year old life!

Football has simply made this all about them 

22 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

It's not her decision, there's no protocol for it to be cancelled - the leagues are making this decision

All about them tossers

Ridiculous I’ll just crack on with my work then and look forward to a weekend of mourning a 96 year old trillionaire 

I understand Prince William is a big football fan as I imagine his kids will be also so hopefully he can have a word 

10 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Losing anyone , particularly a loved one , is incredibly sad , whether you are a Royal or not *

She reached a fine age, and enjoyed relatively good health 

We should absolutely respect , mourn to whatever personal degree we wish,

But most of all we should , as a collective , as a nation , celebrate* her life 

 

 

* Her family , children particularly will totally understandably actually be those the saddest who want to grieve and finding it difficult to celebrate her life at this moment - They are the ones I feel for 

 

Exactly a mourning scenario bringing the whole country to a stand would be for example a shocking incident with an unexpected great loss of life …Terror war something truly hard to comprehend 

This should be celebration of a long life and reign nothing shocking or sad we are all going to die and she had a hell of longer run than 99% of us will get, there’s no shock or sadness on my part

Its a change and a big one to the culture but far from sad or shocking 

18 year old footballers getting weekends off to do whatever, poor 18 year old kids flipping Burgers at McDonald’s and Frying Chicken at KFC better turn up this Saturday I bet Some of you wouldn’t accept that I’m sure

15 minutes ago, 2015 said:

I'm still working, tbh it's like any other day for me and I see nothing wrong with that, so why should the football be cancelled when we're all working still?

Exactly holiday for football?

14 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think enforced cancellations of anything are wrong and I’m not sure The Queen would’ve wanted it.

People are sick of being dictated to after Covid - and the economy is in tatters. Cancelling events isn’t the right thing to do in my opinion and will cost the country an enormous amount of money.

Let people mourn if they wish, and if they want to stay away then fine, but it shouldn’t be imposed on everyone. 

Agreed a lot of people are going through deaths of their children, parents actual family, kids family suffering with cancer life threatening illness not much time left! Football is a bonding experience people look forward to all week for some it is their life’s no holidays, trips abroad it’s home and away to the football each Saturday gets them through depressing weeks!

End of the day she has had as far as we know 96 years of great health with children, multiple grandchildren and riches we could only ever dream of to cancel everything this weekend will create resentment rather than encouraging respect 

10 hours ago, Super said:

Called up to the scots under 21 squad. Well deserved

Should be the first team considering the league he’s scoring in  

45 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Thought it was because Barton was spotted in the Marseille crowd by the BT cameras 

Mentally ill that man he will crack again 

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Anyone remember this?

 

More to do with the players that disgusting performance 

1 hour ago, 2015 said:

Quite right. I think there is a real split in the fanbase with re Johnsons, there is the cultish group who love Jr and the nostalgic ones who love GJ but forget about the endless boring 1-1 draws in 08/09 and 09/10.

Better that than 3-0 4-0 defeats every week like under Other managers after Gary left and even in those seasons we always went in to the second half of the season with the playoff’s in our sights we just couldn’t get over the line our best players aged or developed egos …Basso Orr Carey Mcombe Mcindoe Elliott none of these players were the same after the second half of 08/09 when we were 4th again in March of that year!

Last bit from me now I promise but I think we owed Gary a whole squad revamp before even considering sacking him after he showed what he can do with a group that buy what he sells! We owed him that IMO but football is a fickle harsh world which players rule

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

Johnson senior has only ever been at one Championship club and the achievement of qualifying for play offs was, IMO, a one season wonder. In the seasons that followed, it went downhill because he could not cope with better quality players using his mode of man management and tactics.

His son also feasted on the side left to him by Steve Cotterill. Yes there were good spells but every full season that he was here, we had to suffer long periods of misery; eh, 11 points from 66 on offer. Neither Johnson would, IMO, come anywhere the top half a dozen of City managers since 1950.

Then when he left, the CEO clown installed a decent coach as manager. The two positions are totally different, so it was hardly Holden's fault.

Hence the shambles that we were left with. Thanks to SL for finally appointing a proper, proven manager of players.

 

But why choose to you ignore the fact that we were in League 1 for nine years and within 4 years we’re automatically promoted in a play off final and the next season 10th ? That’s not a one season wonder and his son has FA to do with his successful 4 years in charge… he took the Peterborough Job months after leaving us when they were relegated was sacked when they were top 6 a job he didn’t need to nor should he have taken after his spell with us then he got Yeovil to the Championship before things got stale and the squad needed changing
Enough said on this by me now I feel I have made an obvious case but haters gonna hate 

48 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Did he ? Really ?

You're not an accountant clearly 

He didn’t do ‘well’ in the Championship either 

What did he achieve ? 

I’ll tell ya

He inherited a slim quad with some excellent players , four of whom went onto Premier League Football

He was allowed to enhance that squad with Tomlin & Co .... ‘saved us from relegation’ (If you believe so)

and 18 months later , despite being indulged in various new acquisitions including Tammy and Tomlin on a permanent etc  , we avoided releagation in the penultimate game with a surprise win at promoted Brighton 

What followed was an indulgent real life game of football manager , acquiring , and discarding player after player and constantly tinkering with selections , formations and tactics ...........and talking complete b********

Once Cotts players had been sold or discarded , he was lost ,   it was a one way road 

The result - one of the most unbalanced ,largest , demotivated ,  certainly the most expensive , squads we’ve ever had if not THE 

He also , together with £500 p.a Swiss Tony left us with one hell of a financial mess

 

Oh yes , .......he did really well

Weiman, DaSilva, Bentley are regulars at the moment all Johnson buys Massengo if he doesn’t throw his toys out of the pram can still be a massive player for us this season in potentially our first promotion to the Premiership I would call those 4 great buys and dare I say history makers…

6 minutes ago, 2015 said:

So we were both wrong. You can't credit GJ for finishing 10th that season and we were 15th and not 18th. 

The style of football in 08/09 and 09/10 was not my cup of tea at all but if it it is just results you look for when watching City then that's also fine. 

No your right but we were trying to find a way to compete in a division of giants we needed a chance to rebuild but you don’t get that time in the Championship it’s so competitive results are needed immediately hence why you seen clubs like Leicester, Southampton, Leeds ,Norwich , Sheffield United , Forest and now Derby all have to drop in to League 1 to reset.

GJ probably knew this and in the end was playing desperation football for results rather than having time to reset and go again happens with every manager eventually apart from a Ferguson or Wenger 

14 minutes ago, 2015 said:

I certainly would not say that this club has fed off the belief and appetite GJ laid down. Maybe you liked the era under him and his style which is fine, but you could go as far back as Terry Cooper and say a similar statement.

I would say that 2009/10 10th place finish was not down to Gary Johnson as when he left we were 18th and had recently been hammered by Doncaster and Cardiff in home matches. 

You are also bang on, he probably should have left us when we were on the up. We changed in 08/09, no longer a side I considered entertaining to watch, but that is down to preference and opinion. He still did very well to get us in 10th with that side.

 

Table after Gary’s last game same distance from play offs to relegation after a 3-2 defeat at Plymouth terrible GD and the dressing room had turned on him as happens with most managers outstayed his welcome. I would say accumulating the majority of points and leaving 37 games in to a 46 game season meant you were more than partly responsible for the final points total
 

If he jumped to another club after 08/09 we probably would have called for him to be appointed again somewhere down the line history is history and all that

I would add to this look up that table and what our club was competing with at the time and where we had come from Our expectations rose so dramatically in a couple of years