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21 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Yes it would be relatively easy to add another tier as it was designed that way. 

I also believe it's possible to add a mezzanine level in the concourse. 

It wouldn’t increase the capacity much would it, a couple of thousand at most I would have thought ? 

54 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

They're all the right words, but not necessarily in the right order.

I’m not even certain they are the right words personally.

Box entries 

1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said:

Or Tinnion is coming out with hyperbolic nonsense, as per

He certainly comes out with Bolics that’s for sure. 

21 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

This suggests to me it’s imminent:

 

Is that a halo above his head ? 

Bad Savage ? 

Yes, we need his experience 

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

The bit for me is that if we have top-half budget (say 10th), have top facilities, e.g. HPC, a top young head-coach, excellent recruitment, we should be looking to beat our position based on budget.  But I think he overstates how good some of those things are.

I’d suggest it would be bottom half borefest

I see the last half a dozen games or so as a blend between how we played before LM arrived,  tweaked with a few LM additions, if he continues this next season (provided the summer business is good), I’m hopeful of doing well. If he just reverts to Manningball I fear we are doomed. 

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

My comment was a sarcastic comment because the worlds best managers do not have to have players telling them how to play. 

It's absolutely ludicrous for anyone to suggest it should be a collaborative effort. What's next, players picking the staying line up? 

That Spaniard you mention of course being Pep. 

Pep has very clear philosophies. We may see tactical tweaks within the framework of those philosophies but the philosophies do not change and would not be changed by pressure from above or by the players. 

This ultimately goes all the way back to Manning ball not being what the club wanted. Dress it up however you want, no one should have had to tell Manning that he should be playing to our strengths. That's a critical terminal error in his management. 

Pep can go out and buy the best players in the world to fit his philosophies, Liam can’t, so he has to adapt to the players he has, it’s a completely different scenario.

4 hours ago, BigTone said:

Not sure what he has done but am sure Camilla supported him all the way.

Didn’t realise Camilla played for the City

2 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Are we up for % sell on ?

Hope semenyou  is ok, we need his sell on eventually 

I believe he’s out of contract, so no sell on unfortunately 

1 hour ago, Tim Monaghan said:

Considering we've just gone 6 unbeaten, it would suggest that we are heading in the right direction. There is an absurd amount of fart in this thread. It properly stinks of embarrassment, and trying to grasp at things to have a moan at, which is mental considering recent results and direction we're heading.  Tins, or whoever it was, has made the right decision at the time of writing, whether you like it or not. 

We can't do anything about the past, so why are we continually obsessing over it? We can't change it by repeating the same storyline over and over and over and over again.... 

I'm excited for next season. I'm excited in the direction we are heading, and I'm feeling positive about it. 

COYR'S 

This thread is about a podcast with which Nige was involved and which touched on his time with us, and the circumstances in which he left.
 

There are others which discuss our LM and the virtues, or otherwise,  of our present form. There is no reason why we can’t discuss both topics, I don’t really understand why you’d have difficulty with that,  or feel the need to bring LM into this thread. 
 

I for one separate the two issues, NP shouldn’t have been sacked in the way he was imo, but LM, good or bad, is where we are now. 
 

if you don’t want to discuss NP’s  sacking fine, ignore this thread and just contribute to one’s discussing LM 

I saw the article but assumed it was an old one referring to the last time it happened 

Personally so far I can’t see he’s done anywhere near enough to warrant spending that kind of money. £2m I could see the case £4m no, we don’t have that kind of money anymore.

2 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said:

Given we can't go up and can't go down, makes me scratch my head why Mabude doesn't get any minutes to decide if he is worth signing (unless that decision is already set).

He was unlucky midweek... Pretty sure it would have been safe to bring him on if we were 6 up....

Pretty obvious I’d say he won’t stay, otherwise they’d have played him by now.

7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Terrible performance. 

I bet you’re glad you decided to go ?

Anyone know anything about Backwell, and what position does he play ?

Scott or Brownhill , even better both 

15 hours ago, BCFC31 said:

Then our recruitment team know what to do get him in asap as from what I saw he definitely isn't a dud 

I’m sure Preston fans said the same about HNM

2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

As I say, one man’s context is another man’s excuses…

The second paragraph is more examples of mismanagement and underachievement - yes Steve did, relatively, have a go a few years ago. I say relatively, because it was still upper mid table budgets and we basically spent what we sold. 

But does that mean we don’t ever have a go again?

Or rather should the club learn from its mistakes and not gamble on putting unproven people in hugely important positions in the club? 
 

Maybe bring in someone trustworthy and experienced as CEO…like Gould instead of Ashton.

And a manager who’s been there and done it, like Pearson instead of Johnson.

Oh wait, we had those, but now we’re back to unproven again in Tinnion and Manning - and without the investment - and we should all just say oh well, it is what it is.

Context comes before, ie that was his target when he arrived, excuses are afterwards if the target is not communicated at the beginning. That’s why we were patient with him, he levelled with us from the beginning. 
 

edit

compare that to this time when the communication was LM would improve us THIS season, hence why many judge LM so harshly, now it IS excuses.

2 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

They're fair points Dave, and as a paying customer you're more than entitled to your opinion. As I've previously stated, I would prefer to have neither Manning nor Pearson in charge. Neither have filled me with much enthusiasm. But equally, I think some of the criticism of Manning has been ramped up because of what happened to his predecessor, and I don't think that's entirely fair

 Most of us would be onboard with Manning if he’d been successful since he’s been here despite the debacle of his appointment.
 

On that basis the criticism of him is fair, he’s still our manager and is likely to remain so regardless of mine, and others concerns. Therefore it’s in his hands to change our opinion of him. Over to you Liam. 

22 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Sure, and he did some good work here - but two and a half years on, his results were much the same as the guy who's supposedly out of his depth

You completely ignore context, Nige’s job essentially was to keep us up whilst major cost cuttings were made to avoid FFP etc, LM’s job is to take us forward from a more stable position.
 

Nige succeeded as we are still a championship club. To date, by your own admission, LM has failed, not only has he failed to improve our position, we’ve actually performed worse. 

1 hour ago, Curr Avon said:

If Lez was planning to provoke a response, its worked.

I thought the point was to discuss your opinions, to say something just to get a response demeans the podcast surely ? 

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Not for me. Depends how you want to judge though.  Results aren’t what I’m judging him on, or should I say not the only thing.  It’s more “complicated” than that.   I’ve written chapter and verse on it for you to know I don’t look at it as simply as points per game comparisons. In fact we’ve long gone past Nige v Liam comparisons, it’s now possible to compare Liam v Liam, ie just see what he himself has done and the direction of travel.

And I do think this job is a bit too big for him unfortunately.

He ain’t going nowhere.  I know that, certainly after the last 3 games.

He may well change my mind.  I might have to eat “humble pie”, albeit not the 3 game / 7 points flavour on offer from @Fontaineofallknowledge earlier.  But it might be that he succeeds for other reasons, e.g. they throw money at him.  Looks like we are just gonna have to wait to find out.

Unlike you I haven’t fully made up my mind yet, the jury is still out, much like the team he isn’t consistent enough.
 

I hope he does convince me, and prove my doubts were unfounded, because more than anything I want us to be successful 

5 minutes ago, mozo said:

Exactly. It's probably to so with a frosty relationship and Nigel's health.

The board and Tinnion will be praying that Manning can pull it out the bag to save their blushes.

And I think that's why some fans ate automatically hostile to Manning. [Note, I only said some, that not all Manning critics].

What would be amazing is for 2024-25 to finally be the season where we aren't absolutely flooded with injuries, so that we can see Manning have a go with his preferred players most weeks. That way we'll really see what he's got.

Whilst his health towards the end probably didn’t help, if he’d had a good relationship with the board I’m sure they’d have found a way to accommodate him.
 

I believe they used his bad health as an excuse to accelerate his dismissal, rather than being a genuine issue.