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22 hours ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

This is an old picture of Springfield Park showing the same floodlights, so why would they need ours?

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@Bob Taylor is GOD

I was intrigued as to what did happen so did a bit of searching and the answer is actually on the OS  (see, we should listen to Robbored!)

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/fanzone/club-history/potted-history/

entry headed 1992  

1992: Andy Cole is signed from Arsenal in July for a club record fee of £500,000. The old floodlight pylons are given to Wigan Athletic.

So yes - good spot - the lights are different and not ours,  it was the pylons that were given (not sold) to Wigan.  Their first floodlight game was 19 Oct 1966

3 hours ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

This is an old picture of Springfield Park showing the same floodlights, so why would they need ours?

Dunno mate, I was just saying what is written in the history books.........I wasn't actually there at Wigan on the day the lights were allegedly installed (or not).

Maybe Henry Ford was right?

52 minutes ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

Don't think they put them up then, because this is their last game at Springfield Park - and these are definitely NOT ours...

My source is the Bristol City historian David Wood -in his book "Bristol City The first 100 years"  He was quite specific, maybe they modified them?

7 hours ago, Redtucks said:

 

 

All wrong!!!

It was Burton Albion!!!

Just found this in a POTTED HISTORY of BCFC:   https://www.bcfc.co.uk/fanzone/club-history/potted-history/

"1965: Division Three runners-up 1964/65, promoted to Division Two. The original set of floodlights erected in 1953 were sold to Burton Albion and a new set were officially switched on with a friendly against Wolverhampton Wanderers the same club which provided the opposition for the 1953 switch-on."

That is not strictly true though, the game against Wolves was not a friendly, It was a Division 2 league game that we lost 1-0. The crowd was 36,184.

 

@Malago was right in a way, and @weepywall

The original 1935 floodlights were sold to Burton Albion

The ones switched on in 1965 were sold to Wigan Athletic (Springfield Park) when the 4 corner pylons were removed and the replacement lamps  were fitted along the front of the Dolman and Williams roof.

2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Did it’s head find itself in Ashton’s bed ?

David Cameron's I think

28 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Paul Tisdale - Only 6 appearances for City, but currently one of our best agents.  Ben Garner did a fantastic job, but I didn't think PT could improve on that.  Well done Paul, keep up the good work son.

Top man Paul

I was gutted when Ben Garner was sacked as he was doing  such a great job........but  it looks like Tisdale is on course to finally get them out of League 1

  Well done Paul

38 minutes ago, Hxj said:

Starting with the Burnley cash.  That may well have been used as suggested, the point is that if Burnley FC Holdings Limited (or a subsidiary of that company), the old parent co, lent the money to Calder Vale Holdings Limited (the company which acquired Burnley FC Holdings Limited) then it would have a debtor equal to that sum on it's balance sheet, so it is no worse off at all.  The £40 milllion still exists, it just sits somewhere else.

Then the alleged MSD loan.  There is no loan to Burnley FC Holdings Limited.  There was a loan to Calder Vale Holdings to presumably fund the purchase of Burnley FC Holdings Limited, £100 million doesn't magic itself out of nowhere.  If you read the legal charge documents it refers to MSD as 'the Security Agent', compare this with the legal charge documents from MSD in relation to Derby County, which refer to MSD as 'the Lender'.  Despite what the sloppy journalist writes there is a important difference between being 'the Security Agent' for a loan and 'the Lender'.  Security Agents are generally used for perfectly legitimate reasons, one of which is to obsure the name of the lender, another is where you have several lenders on a syndicated loan.  I suspect, for a fee, MSD are acting to obscure the fact that the new owners also lent the funds.

So back to the loan.  There is no loan to Burnley FC Holdings Limited or any subsidary, so the football club is not £60 million worse off from the loan.

I accept that the loan to Calder Vale Holdings Limited carrys interest, and that needs to be funded from somewhere.  On the assumption that it carries interest at 5%, that would need a management fee of say £3 million a year between the Burnley FC Holdings Limited and Calder Vale Holdings Limited to cover the cost.  Given that in the last three years the Burnley FC Holdings Limited group has had pretax profits of around £72 million and saved £40 million in cash, we are hardly into rape and pillage territory.

Oh and if the community are really that concerned they could have bought the club. 

Ok,  The £40M Burnley had in the bank has been lent to CVL , and it's now on their balance sheet as a debt.  and the loan is to CVL not Burnley - but there is now a charge placed on the ground .

So they had £40M in cash, no debt, and no mortgage.   They now have no cash, are owed £40M , and have a mortgage.

I realise this is all legal but I know which I would prefer.  

2 hours ago, Hxj said:

As I said on the FFP thread:

"So I'm a Guardian journalist and I am bored so I will write a non-story and dress it up as something else.  I can't read and understand what is detailed on Companies House, but I use that as a source to justify my meaningless conclusions.

"That makes it difficult not to conclude that just to pay for ALK to take over, the club is now approximately £90m worse off, with interest to pay"

Or as an alternative the club is utilising it's cash resources by getting a far better rate of return than it was under the old management, so in fact the company is better off.  But that doesn't suit me as a Guardian journalist so I won't explain how that may have happened."

You'll have to explain that please I don't get your point.

because as far as I can see.

• Burnley had £42M in the bank, and no debt

• The 2 main owners - majority shareholders- sold the club for £100M to ALK Capital

• In order to pay that £100M , ALK took £40M from Burnley's bank account and borrowed the other £60M from Michael Dell's MSD company and secured the loan against Turf Moor . The loan interest rate is unknown but MSD have loaned similar amounts to Southampton FC at 9.14% - 9 x the bank base rate.

So 2 months ago Burnley had £40M.....now they owe £60M

How can that be right, how can that be of benefit to the club, the fans, the community?

2 hours ago, phantom said:

Their shirt sponsor will be delighted with his pose

Or maybe they are realising the shame of being on the front of the clown outfit

Pretty sure I saw this guy working the Dodgems at the last Mop Fair in Chipping Sodbury.

22 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

During lockdown you can start when you want mate!

Not according to Mrs CodeRed !

3 hours ago, Paul G said:

For those of you who don't know Saturdays K.O has been moved to 16:30 now

Didn't know! Thanks  

4.30 is better.   ........ it's ok to start drinking at 4 during lockdown I think, so all good

18 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

Correct.

I only posted, as I recall asking the same question of some of my young nephews/nieces a few years ago, none of whom were able to identify the song or, perhaps more understandably, the group. 

It was first sung I recall about Frank Worthington back in the day.. Leicester fans singing Frankie Frankie Worthington and the East End drowning it out with wanky wanky Worthington

5 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Regular readers of this forum may have noticed I have a frequent tendency to go off at a tangent: this post is no different ....

We all know the tune to the Louie, Louie song you mention - we sang it recently for Tammy, Tammy Abraham; a few years ago for Winky, Winky Wanderers and even, for those cricket fans amongst us, for Linky, Linky Lancashire - but, without looking it up, can anybody remember the title of the original song?

I actually bought the original record - a 45rpm disc - but does anybody know/recall the song title and the name of the group?

No doubt our more senior fellow forum members such as @slartibartfast etc. will know, but I wonder whether the younger ones know - or even care .   

If anybody feels inclined to respond positively, please do so but try and refrain for the moment from revealing the answer, but I am intrigued. 

Chicory Tip 

Son of my Father

Or have I got the tune completely wrong?

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

I left 5 mins before the end when City were losing 0-2 under LJ against either Fulham, QPR or Leeds and were playing absolutely dreadfully and no way were City going get back in it. That was only time that I was so angry that I wanted to go around the concourse and give LJ both barrels of verbals........iI didn’t tho.

Fascinating story, you had me on the edge of my seat there Robbo 

How about telling us about that away trip you thought about going on..............................but decided not to bother to go in the end.

Or the time you were going to call in to Radio Bristol and slag off GJ.................................but couldn't be arsed

should be   

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

I left 5 mins before the end .....

That was only time that I was so angry that I wanted to go around the concourse and give LJ both barrels of verbals........iI didn’t tho.

Once bitten eh?

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

 

Pretty sure we spent quite a bit on Bakinson and Hinds when they were non league.

Luton were League 2 when they were signed I think.

1 minute ago, Super said:

The only link is Wael is a chelsea fan!

35 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Worth pointing out that this story is from 1998.

Learning from his mistakes then !

56 minutes ago, Banned User said:

"Their meetings come just four months after Giggs reportedly lashed out at Davinia in the Peruvia nightclub in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

Onlookers told how they could only watch in horror as he punched her in the face and stomach, sending her sprawling.

Giggs, who had been drinking with friends, was ushered away by bouncers. But Davinia decided not to press charges."

Who's Davinia ? The papers say the woman allegedly assaulted was his partner Kate Greville.  Does he just punch every woman he disagrees with?

3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

On the billing front...

BT Sport have said "With the return of live Bundesliga, UFC and now the Premier League in June, we can confirm that as a gesture of goodwill we will also be offering customers a further bill credit to the value of 50% of their BT Sport monthly subscription."

Fair enough, I took the option BT offered to donate my bt sport fee to the NHS so unfortunately they're going to lose the  50%

8 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Well at the very least it should be discounted. I hope they are not going to pretend behind closed doors games are a worthy of full price.  

No,  it's the full price you paid before. 

5 games a day though..from noon till 10 pm so get plenty of beer in!

23 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

That's a pity. No doubt Sky will start charging me for Sky Sports. And I'm not that interested in the Prem

Check your Sky account....they've already implemented the sky sports subscription from 19/6/20. My dd goes out on Monday and I saw on my pending transactions on my online bank that the sky payment was increasing.

Interesting that the increase was actually put on before the PL announced the start date! ..well I suppose Sky are running football nowadays.

13 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

How does that work mate given they have no rights to pl currently?

BBC only have 4 games, it hasn't been stated how these will be shown but I imagine it will be on the BBC Sport website as the press release refers to BBC Sport not BBC TV. 

The rest split pro rata between Sky BT and Amazon according to their existing ratio I guess. Sky have agreed to show 25 games ' free to air' .

They're will be streams everywhere though so everyone can watch if they want.

36 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

I remember a team, can't think of their name, in the basement of the entire football league, getting relegated to non-league on the last day of the season despite having not been in the relegation places all season. 

only in the relegation zone for  (the last) 20 minutes of the season ....surely that was unfair and a special case should have been made to allow them to stay up

2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Is this an April Fool’s?

You had to ask?

Of course it is