italian dave
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8 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:
Leaving us with a completely dysfunctional squad and significant FFP concerns for the forthcoming years
Another HC you backed heavily and continually , even against the overwhelming majority towards the end . as you are laying out battlements for LM
Yet you were anything but supportive of NP
With the miles you do you absolutely have the right , more than most of us , to have your views - but I do find it , from clearly a passionate supporter of the Club , very strange
I think that's a very unfair and inaccurate portrayal of my view SA.
I backed LJ because he was the City HC and I wanted him to do well. And I backed NP for exactly the same reason. I've no idea where you get this notion that I wasn't supportive of NP.
My view on both was that they manage the club I love, that they both want what's best for the club, and as long as those two things are the case then they'll have my support.
I didn't share the loathing that some on here had for LJ. And I didn't share the man love that some seemed to have for NP. So that may have put me at odds with a significant proportion on here, but I'd argue that I was the more even handed!
And I take exactly the same view as far as LM is concerned.
That doesn't preclude criticism. I've been critical of all three. But I think that criticism needs to be constructive. otherwise it stops supporting them. and for the reasons above I've supported them all.
What I don't like, and don't join in with is the endlessly repetitive negativity. It's fair enough to question - for example - whether LM is getting the best out of Tommy Conway. But there are already three separate threads all asking the same thing and all saying the same thing. So why the f... do we need yet another thread on exactly the same topic started this morning? Who exactly is this going to help?
Neither do I like go for the campaigns and petitions and calls to 'sack xxx'. (And you won't find that I ever called for NP to be sacked - not even when everyone else was!). Because it's pointless. I don't get a say. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. And most of all because just sacking someone achieves precisely nothing - other than leaving us without a manager.
And I certainly don't go for the name calling and the abuse. Which is becoming depressingly apparent again. It's just pathetic.
And all that applies whoever if our manager. I don't generally get particularly attached to or feel a particular antipathy to any manager. I don't know them. And as far as I'm concerned, whether it's LJ, NP, LM or anyone else, while they manage City they have my support.
So I think your assessment of my having different approaches to and views on NP and LJ is very far from the mark.
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6 hours ago, frenchred said:
Unbelievable, we also spoke to various Ipswich fans in hotel and to a man they love Ashton, think he's a bit of a genius with the recruitment they've done,!
I was surprised too. And they acknowledged that you won't find many other Ipswich fans saying the same. But it did give me a little greater respect for their judgement!!
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1 hour ago, weepywall said:
Bristol Sport employees infiltrating hotels now
this is getting serious!!
It’s certainly true that Scott Murray’s van was parked out the back!! But I think wearing Ipswich coats might be taking it too far…..and anyway, pretty sure I’d have spotted it was him
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4 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:
Don’t disagree @italian dave The problem we have is that we have gone from a “mid table team looking up at the playoffs and hoping” to a “mid table team in a relatively long run of terrible form looking over our shoulder at the relegation zone and worrying as we slip closer towards it”.
The current league position gives a very false sense of security and given the games we have coming up the grounds for any optimism are rapidly disappearing if not already gone. Everything will look OK to the owner until he suddenly realises too late that it’s not!
But that’s a view based on four games. You wouldn’t have been saying that four games ago. This is talking next season/four years!
Clearly there’s a scenario where we simply lose the next four then the next four but a) I don’t think that will happen and b) I’m not convinced that yet another change at the top in the midst of that would really help.
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6 hours ago, Andy082005 said:
He has come here with a very similar pedigree to Lee Johnson and look how that turned out .
Lee Johnson’s four year tenure saw a significant shift, from the club being a yo-yo Championship relegation/L1 promotion club to being an established mid table (even, dare I say it, top half!) Championship club.
If we can get a similar degree of shift out of a four year Liam Manning tenure (to yo-yo PL/Championship) then I for one will be happy.
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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:
To be fair, they’re not.
The consistent opinion from my Ipswich supporting mate has been that Manning is the real deal. It’s based on two main factors
- Last night wasn’t the first time a Manning team has played well against Ipswich - the same happened at Dons. He seems to know how to set up against McKenna (no huge shocks as theyre mates and I’d imagine talk regularly), and when Ipswich are used to dominating teams, a coach who comes and nullifies them will stand out
- On a broader basis they’re basing it on the prior coaching connections at Ipswich. He came through there as a young coach and had a decent reputation. Totally different game coaching academy footballers to managing a game though
My mate has been steadfast in his support of Manning - he keeps telling me he’ll “turn it around” and “sort us out”. There is also a lot of stock on the “turnaround” at Oxford which appears built on sand. My view is that there isn’t - or wasn’t until Manning started coaching us - anything to turn round or sort out, and we’ve seen more of a consistent shitshow than they have in the academy/odd games to form a valid view.
So, not one game but a flawed view on a greater sample. Kind of like when we thought signing Carl Hutchings would be a good idea!
Does your mate also think Mark Ashton is a t w a t? (A less commonly held view in Ipswich). If so, I think I might have met him last night?!
You’re right: it was based on far far more than just one match! They’ve followed his career and were able to talk about other City games this season.
On that last point about a turn around. I’d agree with you - up to a point. But two things
1. There was no need to turn things around on the pitch, on the football front. But I think most of us feel that the change came about because of things elsewhere. And if that was about breakdowns of relationship and trust then there was a need for change. And you can argue til you’re blue in the face about where that change needed to be, but it was only ever going to end one way. And, of course, any change at that level in the footballing side is going to come with change there too.
2. Whilst what you say may be true, and there was no need for change, the fact is that there was. And that will take time. Hence their view being about this time next season, not now.
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Talking to a couple of Ipswich fans in the hotel bar this evening.
Just some context, in terms of their judgement: we asked what they thought of Mark Ashton: “t w a t”.
Then, can we have Wes Burns back. “Only if we can have Liam Manning back when McKenna gets poached”
Really? Yes: “you’ve got a top coach, one of the best……give him til this time next season and you’ll be glad you did…….best organised side here this season”
Just saying.
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Well, that was the most bizarre half time “entertainment” I’ve seen for some time.
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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:
Is that like Maradona wearing a knee bandage on his good knee, rather than highlight his bad one
Can’t say I’ve ever seen Pring or McCrorie in the same sentence as Maradona before! But yes!!
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9 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:
Thought exactly the same. Really strange thing to admit in an interview
If I was McKenna I’d be telling the right sides players to get at Pring from the off
Pring is fit as a fiddle. McCrorie has a knock.
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Football clubs that sell you an overpriced bottle of water…..and won’t trust you enough to leave the top on. Looking at you Ipswich.
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Just now, wendyredredrobin said:
When I think we are going to be mullered by anyone, we always seem to win. That's the only element of positivity I have tonight.
My worry is that you, and others, are double bluffing your way to certain defeat tonight
There’s way too much positivity, based on the obvious likelihood of us getting stuffed tonight. I’m worried.
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2 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:
Only for naked one armed folk mind.
I’ve seen a lot of them here in Ipswich…….
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What’s always a pain at WBA is that you’re made to go out of the ground a different way to the way most people go in. So, Mercure hotel being a case in point, you spend 10 minutes walking in completely the opposite direction to the way you need to go to get back to the car.
Also @forbespm - don’t know if you used that before, but if not just be aware that getting to and from it by road isn’t as straightforward as it looks!
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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:
"And what have you brought in to the shop today"
"Well Jay I've brought this. It's a 130 year old football club that my great-great-grandfather found in Bristol."
"Oh wow. Oh wow it's beautiful. A bit faded, a bit bashed about a bit isn't it. Looks like it's not been looked after brilliantly maybe?"
"Yeh it's had it's fair share of adventures. Quite a few ups and downs. Once went all the way down to the basement straight from the loft, quite the plummet that was. Took a beating but we've managed to get it straightened out a little bit ourselves."
"Wonderful. Now, what would you like us to do with it?"
"Well it's been in my family for generations you see, and really, really I just want to see it in an FA Cup final one more time, maybe a second place finish in the top division. God maybe even just a Gloucester Cup win."
"Yeh, yeh, well leave it with us and we'll see what we can do."
Or…..the Repair Shop Comic Relief version, that’s currently being run as a trailer….
”yeh, well I’m afraid it’s knackered and past it…just bin it”
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13 hours ago, Super said:
Really needed yet another thread
First rule of OTIB, Super. If there's an angle for criticising Manning, start at least three threads on it.
Second rule. Most things are open to interpretation. Find the right angle.
I'm beginning to think that Liam Manning is to OTIB what Megan Markle is to the Daily Mail.
(And, yes, "Nige" is our own Kate Middleton)
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1 hour ago, Robbored said:
I get that as well Dave. However I certainly would have a problem if a player who was getting grief if he told the perpetrator to go forth and multiply………
Oh 100% RR. And as I understand it Fam was as gracious as ever.
Well, 99% - I have to say I find it hard not to have a smile about the way Eric Cantona dealt with it!
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15 hours ago, slartibartfast said:
I hate the arty farty ads that do their best not to tell you what the **** the're advertising !
Do you remember that Wallace and Gromit ‘Creature Comforts’ ad for Heat Electric in the ‘90s?
Voted one of the most popular ads of the time in surveys. The only problem was that the surveys also found that most people thought they were advertising gas!
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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:
I get that RR and day to day I don’t have an issue but these guys are professional footballers who fans admire and look up to and to ignore any waiting fans is downright ignorant and disrespectful.
If I were a football manager I’d ban players wearing them as they disembarked the team bus - I can feel myself getting wound as I write!
Works both ways mind, RR. Reading the reports of the grief Fammy was given on Saturday, you’d not really blame him for shutting it out.
I do agree with your sentiment though.
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No pay on the day
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1 hour ago, mjd said:
Got to be honest I was laughing at them idiots , it looks like a scene from a carry on film . It could be called carry on up the hill .
To be honest, my first thought is that the police should have just left them to get on with it.
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42 minutes ago, Renaissance Williams said:
Cold Rain And Snow - The Grateful Dead
English Summer……Eurythmics
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1 hour ago, The Saturday Boy said:
Yellow - Coldplay
God’s Great Banana Skin…….Chris Rea
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6 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:
Anyone trying to give me advice/tell me what to do, who looks young enough to be my child (or grandchild in some parts of Bristol!
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It gets worse Dolly,….you’ll reach the time where they start offering you their seat on the bus/tube.
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Ipswich view
in Football Chat
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Interestingly it was because they know people who work with him. And it was about him, not about what's been achieved at Ipswich while he's been there. Their view was that 'for Mark Ashton it's all about Mark Ashton' - and I'm not sure there's many of us would disagree with that view?
And Mr H - no, that wasn't the case: it was exactly as I said. We expressed no opinion. We said 'what's your view on Mark Ashton?' and the immediate reply was 't w a t'. Simple as that.