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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Like Charlton, Cardiff, Reading, Man Utd, Newcastle under Ashley. For every successful take over there’s a mirror of unsuccessful ones and that’s exactly why I say “be careful what you wish for”.

We could end up a lot worse off.

 

For every unsuccessful takeover there is a mirror of successful ones

As I said, some people are frightened of change

2 minutes ago, italian dave said:

1. There’s a whole debate about that which is probably too complicated to get in here, but arguably we’re in a more secure position than we’d have been with many other owners who’ve “invested” in English clubs in recent years, and going forward the prospect of those risks materialising are far greater if SL sells.

2. @Port Said Reds post (to which you are responding) very clearly said ‘since the Dolman era’. ‘67 was the Dolman era.

3. Oh, come on. We have a track record of managers lasting far longer at City than at most other clubs.

4. It’s got us a modern ground and training facilities. Would you rather we hadn’t?

5. If you’re referring to the events of the past few weeks then I’d suggest that we need to give things a little longer before making judgements about where we are in the context of the past 50 years!

6 I’m not sure this is any more than conjecture?

7. SL has always been clear that he wants the club to balance the books. Is that an unreasonable aspiration? It doesn’t stop us building a better squad. And what’s happened the past 2-3 years has essentially been about compliance with FFP and avoiding points deductions etc. Again, would you have preferred we hadn’t done that?

I wouldn’t disagree that we’ve essentially spent the past  50 years getting back to where we were in 67. But as another (not far off) 70 year old I also remember the one big ‘down’ of those 50 years, and I don’t want to see a repeat of the early 1980s.

For every Man City and Brentford there’s a Reading! 

1) point still stands we are Tennant's

2) so you confirm no progress

3) always some will be longer some shorter, we are heading for the later

4) it's not helped our on field position or style at all, I would argue it hasn't attracted the better player we need

5) he should show some adaptability

6) it's not conjecture as you put it, he's been promoted well beyond his capabilities

7) it is stopping us progressing now, and most of it is down to his and juniors previous mistakes

1 minute ago, Mattredrobin said:

I have no doubts manning is a quality coach, I'm pleased we have him, I do find the way he talks a little boring ( nothing wrong with that im a boring bastard too ) but he's admitted himself we will get bored of hearing it, but he has a plan and a way of playing, we've moaned for years we don't have an identity of how we play and you can see what he's trying to do. Once he starts getting players in that can play the way he wants I'm sure we will see more consistent results. Attacking mid and a striker for me is what we need. 

Unfortunately for a plan to work you must have all the building blocks in place, we don't

We don't have the players currently to play his way of football, until he gets them he has to show an adaptability and willing to gradually move, at this moment in time that adaptability is missing

48 minutes ago, headhunter said:

DaveP, Mark & Ian try to take some positives from a performance that was in stark contrast to that which City produced at the London Stadium last weekend.

Once again missed chances early on proved to be City's undoing with under pressure Ryan Lowe pulling a rabbit out the hat and probably saved his job with a triple half time substitution which caught City out big time. Will Keane grabbed two goals, the first after a rare MOL error.

For the final 20 minutes one could only describe City's performance as ragged and they will have to do a lot better on Tuesday if that game isn't to end in disappointment against David Moyes depleted side.

We also talk transfers - the window is half complete, will there be a flurry of activity in the next two weeks? 

 

 

Max o Leary, a rare mistake? You are having a laugh surely, your turning like the other podcast!

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

I would be amazed if any of the older posters voted yes, and if they do, then they are looking at the past with rose tinted glasses. We are in the best position we have been since the Harry Dolman era, and even Harry didn't get everything right. 

People pointing at Manchester City etc, but how many of those clubs are there across football as a whole? Even they took 8 years before they hit the right appointment in Pep, but I still don't think there is some tried and trusted method to getting everything right, sometimes it's luck of the draw.

As for the poll itself, do it again after we have won a couple of games, we really are that fickle.

I started following city around 1972 and I voted out

Fed up completely with the jokers running out club, mistake after mistake with no lessons learned, no plan no foresight.

Can't join your happy brigade, never will with the current regime, people are frightened of change when it should be grasped and encouraged

30 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

But that's because you're pro Pearson, so it wouldn't suit agenda!

People talk about the board being delusional about the squad being Top 6, yet this is the squad that NP had assembled, the same squad that NP said in the summer was good enough to be competitive and he was happy with. That was after Scott was sold, before people say we sold our best player.

So, if the squad is not top 6, if it's not capable of being competitive, then NP was just as delusional as the board, and in his 3 seasons here, it's questionable if the squad progressed or regressed as a whole. 

The one thing that was clear, was the board was not happy with the direction on the pitch and were unwilling to invest further in NP. They had been told this was a capable squad. Regardless of whether they are performing as well as they can, or not, Manning has been brought in to try and perform with average tools. He is trying to change the way certain players play. He will quickly learn, who can adapt and who needs replacing. 

It's not about who gets the most PPG from this group of players, as the PPG with Nige was still not good enough. What Manning is doing, is evaluating, who is good enough to work within his training and coaching platform and help us improve and the weak areas that need improving. We don't need wide scale recruitment, but to fine tune weaker areas.

People who praise Pearson, say the squad is a mid table squad, but this is the squad NP assembled over the best part of three years. Yes, budgets were cut, but these are players HE brought in, that he believed could help us get competitive. He said as much himself in the summer after Scott went. He came to us, working with a disjointed side, who had quality in areas, but bad attitudes, but a safe mid table team, and after many ins and outs, he left us still with a mid table side, which had quality in areas, and the only thing that changed was bad attitudes were replaced with hard workers who aren't good enough.

Manning should not be judged on what he does with Pearson's team, as we all know it's not good enough. He needs to be judged in 2 years when he has put his own twist and turns on the team and has a team playing his football. For me, their has been glimpses of promise, but also levels of inconsistency which have become all too common with Bristol City. WE can go one week looking capable of beating anyone, to looking like a team who wouldn't win in the Downs League the next. No team performs week in, week out (Look at Leicester for instance, battered by Coventry yesterday), but I swear we are way more inconsistent than any other team in this league. 

People can say that Manning isn't getting the best from this team, or getting the results, but he is still getting to know the players he has, Pearson wasn't getting much better and he knew his team inside out! 

Realistically, this season is a write off. We're not good enough to compete and we won't go down, but if anything, it feels like we've been in this groundhog day for an eternity now. 

If we can't judge, or points per game are not important what should be used to judge?

Entertainment value?

Tactics with players available?

Clean sheets?

Style of play?

Because all of the above are worse than under Nige! Tinnion/junior have dropped a massive gaff simply because they didn't like Nige, and why would they, must be hard knowing someone who reports to you is in fact infinitely more knowledgeable of a subject than you are!

Shall we judge on boredom levels because, I don't think it's just me but that has gone through the roof!

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It’s not a yes or no from me - I’m in the ‘be careful what you wish for’ camp. We are very familiar with the Lansdowns and we know pretty much what to expect.

When/if the club gets taken over we could be in for a serious shock. Histories at other clubs show that.

What like, man city, Liverpool, Ipswich, Leicester, wrexham and such like you mean?

The whole club from top to bottom needs a complete new broom, from owner and silver spoon fed junior through DOF and all the way down to about 6 of our current first team starting 11 being upgraded. The club is rancid all the way through

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Bloody long post.

To save anyone reading until the end, spoiler- it’s bullshit.

If you don't want to read it then fine

To save anyone reading until the end - spot on, no better off now than we were with pearson

2 hours ago, Marvin said:

The Coronation on Dean Lane used to have one.

That's it!!!!

12 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Might be thinking of somewhere else, it was by the door as you went in , at least in my head.

There was one in a tiny pub in southville but the name escapes me!

13 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Agreed, Preston are surely one of the smaller teams in the league. Almost every measure suggests that's the case.

Appreciate some won't agree, but I think trophies/historical success is slightly overplayed in these evaluations. No offence PNE, but winning ye-olde trophy in 1890 isn't really relevant anymore.

Oh yeah forgot football didn't exist until the prem league was formed

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

They’re also spoiled by being at this level for so long with no danger of relegation.

One of the smallest clubs at this level but their fans think they’re probable top six contenders.

Smallest clubs at this level?

You are surely having a laugh or just miss guided!

44 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

The Black Horse pub? Is that the Kicker?

Yes mate

10 hours ago, italian dave said:

Came across something called True Love on c4 this evening. Starring Portishead lake grounds, battery point, outdoor pool. 

Keep an eye on this one and you'll see The Kicker on there soon!

I tell you something, I'd rather listen to this one than the official club 3 peeps!

To here them saying to Conway how he is growing into the lone striker role mad me feel a little sick! He's not and is miles better with someone else up top with him, it's clear to see for everyone

Keep up the good pods guys and leave the sniffling up to others!

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

I think I would be more inclined to believe that if Nige hadn’t brought him on as a sub 9 times.

Some of those who have been on the bench but never got on might be in that category (Nelson, Araoye, Backwell) maybe, but can’t think he would be putting someone on the pitch that often if that was the case.

I agree with the poster on this, he may have got on but all he did was bump into people and pick up needless yellow cards

I can only recall one positive interaction and that was a chase back and tackle!

18 minutes ago, Malago said:

For me this is where the club falls down on the PR front.  We’re all keen to see Ross in action.  In the great scheme of things it would cost buttons to provide pictures via RTV.  But no, the PR dept fast asleep.

Really?

Strange! I'm happy to wait until he is considered fit/good enough to appear in the first team 

Just now, italian dave said:

Does that 'same for both games' rules apply to ALL fans, or just to away fans though?

All fans

3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

No they didn't. 

Yes they did

Ticket prices are agreed to incorporate replays

Common sense must tell you that if we charged WHU more than they charges us there would be uproar

2 minutes ago, lenred said:

Fair play to the club on this one.  Great price.  

I think you'll find they had to match the price west ham offered

14 hours ago, Alan Dicks said:

Think we took 17k to Coventry in 77

If everyone was there who now say they were it must have been about 170k!

6 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Manning got it absolutely spot on today, took us 10/15 to get going but we were excellent today. 
The subtle tweaks he made at half time worked a charm, second half was a really impressive display. 
Slowly it’s starting to come together, it won’t always be good (Brum/Mwall) but I really like LM and really like what we’re beginning to become. 

Subs were mind boggling