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10 minutes ago, spudski said:

That's very much how I see it Dave. 

It'll be interesting to see over the summer who we recruit, who we release and what academy players are included in the first team. 

And whether any ' pathways' are blocked. 

Also if any words of truth are given by either the club or player re Mbude. 

We heard some very interesting stories some years ago, we used to play golf with some players several years ago . Not complimentary about BT and he sounds like he is very self serving and not the Club man he likes to appear. 
While he was with the Academy , bringing through players made him look good. Now his role has changed you could argue, new signings would shine a positive light on him. 

As you the summer , and going forward , may be very telling.

37 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Thats is not in the laws of the game. 

Poorly put by me, see my explanation above. 

May make more sense , possibly.

17 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

but that changes when it stops the cross as he has gained an advantage. that not totally correct advantage in the box applies to scoring a goal although the word advantage is not used in the laws. doesnt apply to the defending team. example slide tackle? arm in natural  position but stops cross from one two metres away offence? no. advantage gained doesn't apply.

I thought I'd get pulled up on that as I typed it.

What I meant , and this is coming from someone who only played at a shite level , when you dive into challenges your arms come out naturally . You never put them out other than to give you balance.  Now for the new VAR years they tend to think if the arm is out it is un natural when it comes to Penalties. 
So what I meant , and put it really badly , for me the guys arms are in a natural position as they go where they go in thoase circumstances. 
Then , as the arms are away from the body and they arm stops a cross it's going to be given as handball quite often.
The ball was prevented from going into the box and possibly creating a chance , that's what I meant by him gaining an advantage . I wasn't referring to the advantage rule . 
Not sure I've explained myself much better now. 

As for a video clip this is as good as I can get it. I think it shows Ref had a good view.

As for complaints, this is the guy who gave away the Pen, hardly going mad. The usual complaints to the Ref that you would see , even with the most blatant Pen. But not really going mad at a bad decision.

I don't watch loads but I like the option to watch .
That said I think next year (year after?) when we start playing games at stupid times I will change my mind and wish there were less games and all played at 3pm on a Saturday.

11 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Q.3. Can the referee see what the ball hit from that position? IMO the answer is  no. She is in a good position to see Pring and the defender, but what the ball hit, and how it hit it, is probably blocked by the defender’s back. I think you can only give a penalty from that position based on an assumption, which is the wrong thing to do 

This is a snapshot of the incident . Is this the split second the ball hit hand or a fraction of a second after when the hand has moved after being hit ? I'd say she had a decent view.

Clear view of the arm out . Now I'd say a natural position for trying to block, but that changes when it stops the cross as he has gained an advantage.

Cross on it's way and you can clearly see raised arm.

Still able to see his arm after the ball has hit it.

I can't download this to slow mo it , I'll try and find it somewhere I can but I'm not hopeful.

11 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

 

I really hope someone makes the Bob Marley gag soon, it’s the major thing missing from this thread.

I think you might be waiting in vain 

8 hours ago, Lrrr said:

I’ve usually found manager v head coach usually refers to things like transfers, head coach gets given a selection to choose from whereas manager would work with head of recruitment do a lot more work themselves in saying what the pool is to start with. Then responsibility for the rest of the coaching staff etc, head coaches may more often have staff hired for them or only get a say at the very end whereas managers more involved with the process of whose being brought in to work under them. 

I think a lot also depends on how the Club is set up and ran , possibly more so than the title. 
Chelsea have had top quality, high profile coaches. But they have all had the players forced on them it seems. Spending about a Billion pounds without buying a striker is madness , but out of the hands of the Coach. We have a DoF ( or technical director) and a recruitment department. Coach has final say and will say what sort of player they want initially . Pearson possibly had more say as I believe he had a hand in rejigging the backroom staff , but from what I've read he was happy with the Analyst / recruitment Dept. We did lose some scouts, not sure we have many eye on scouts now. Mervin Day left as Euro Scout and we lost another to Birmingham.
I would think it would would work in a similar way with Manning. He would say what sort of player he wants and the Analyst / recruitment Dept lines up a list for him to choose from. 

I found an old interview with head of Technical Recruitment , Sean Gilhespy.

Recruitment meetings and what Nige wants

"It starts with Nige," says Gilhespy. The recruitment team works to find players that Nigel Pearson wants, focusing on what a player can bring to the team rather than what they can't do..
"He sets the criteria for what he wants: positionally, at what point he wants certain players. He's really well planned in what he wants to do, and it's so underrated the clarity of the message that comes into us, it's important, because if it's not quite right or it waivers then you get further away from what's needed as the filtering develops.

"It's all part of a plan over a few windows where we can get to a place where he's got what he wants."

The team narrows down searches based on what he wants. Certain characteristics are prioritised.

The club's ideas and strategies must be factored in too.

"When he [Pearson] first came in just a few days in, we sat down and he wanted to see how we worked and what we were looking at and how we present certain things and some of the certain tools we use," says Gilhespy.

"He liked what he saw and was happy and said go get on with it really. He's very good for letting you work in your area and to show your expertise in that area."

So unless Tins in his new role imposes his ideas on things , I think Manning would get who he wants to fit his ideas. 

40 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

I watch quite a bit of ice hockey and that’s clock on and off with no complaints about added time.

I’ve always thought that one way of stopping these constant stoppages for injuries/cramp in football is to follow rugby and for the physio to come on and play to continue.

I know that would be difficult if the injury was in the box but at the moment the majority of it is going on in other areas of the pitch.

I bet you wouldn’t see as many players going down requiring treatment if that was the case 

The clock thing is interesting. There was talk of playing 60 minutes with the clock stopping for everything so you got a genuine 60 minutes play. When I realised the average time the ball was in play was 55 minutes, it seemed a good idea. Not sure what happened to that idea.

Having the trainer coming on is good in theory, but you just know that teams soon find a way of stopping play. Flicking the ball against, or near the trainer as he sees to the injury. 

As a young kid playing for a mens team I think would do him good, whatever the style. Just the regular involvement and being in a different environment , being tested while still being able to train with City I think will help him grow. 

The style of football may not be the best, but he will hopefully learning and growing all the time, good experience for a young lad.

23 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Seb is working privately with his own coaching team and has been for over 2 years now. He is getting bigger for next season but they are very careful not to go too far and impact his sharpness. He’s pretty strong already to be fair 

Funny you should post that, I was thinking back to Bobby Reid and the difference his private training made to him. It would be great for SPH to earn the first team squad for next year.

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

OP - firstly we need to qualify academy players, I’m guessing you’re referring to the young ones, and discounting Vyner, Conway, Bell,Pring and O’Leary.  That is fine btw.  Personally I think we are probably gonna have a more fallow period.  Not because of LM per se, but a combo of the next batch not being ready (JKL to one to buck that) and the raised expectations of playing in the first team.

OP ? Formal 

Yeah , I don't consider even Bell Academy at this point. Just thinking non first team youngsters.
I've had this conversation a couple of times. Because we have been so good , you are bound to have a dip. Another thing is this U18 Cup focus means those youngsters haven't played up a level which has happened regularly for years. 
I would have liked to see at least JKL get some proper time . Nelson & Meerholz have been on the bench without really looking like getting on , Backwell too . 

Even Mebude , can you really make a call without giving him a chance of at least a half of football ? Possibly , but as he's here, and he was the Managers pick , why not give him a run .

11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

100%.

It will be very instructive when the full released list is published.

There seems an acceptance that the 21s group includes very few who will make it at Championship level.

Knight-Lebel, Palmer-Houlden & possibly Tommy Backwell are highly likely to be the only ones from that group even given a chance to do so.
 

I imagine the core of U18s will make up a big part of the U21s next year, to allow for new ones coming in or stepping up.

52 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Two weeks I think they said for Vyner? Dickie Idk, anyone any ideas?

Didn't he say he was close for Blackburn, but it might be a little too early ?
I expected him to be at least on the bench yesterday.

I didn't even know Vyner was out until I saw the team sheet yesterday.

1 hour ago, MelksRed said:

Why are people so intent on disproving the penalty?

It's almost like we can't bear to get something out of a game if it could be construed as positive. 

I'll take the point thanks. The defenders left arm was raised...not the arm he was landing on either....professional footballers keep their arms pinned in whilst in the box ..he didn't.....penalty. 1-1 game over.

At the end of the day only one person's opinion matters.....and she said Pen. 

Onwards and upwards to Rotherham who are likely to win in the 101st minute with a pen against us. Swings and roundabouts I'm afraid. 

I've watched it several times and have come to the decision , Pen . 
We don't usually appeal that hard , ok late in a game chasing an equaliser may cause that.
The guy hardly moans , always a give away . 
His arm is raised , naturally maybe , but his arm blocks the cross and the Ref has a decent view. 
Undeserved , but I'll always take it.

https://fb.watch/rrmTqxKMmN/

Not sure what their finances are like , when they came down last time there were lost of rumours they were in trouble.  If they don't want him and need money to reinvest maybe they will drop the fee a little, in contract until 2026 so they have a little time to think . IMO the best deal would be a season loan , even then I would want them to pick up a % of his wage. 
The best thing he's done is allow Knight to drop into his best position , even that isn't every game.

5 hours ago, 2015 said:

Common sense should prevail, to give a penalty in the 98th minute like that to a team in their position is sickening and we would all be fuming if it was us.

Football is regressing as a whole.

I bumped into a good mate yesterday, while I feel sorry for him and I think they would feel a little robbed over the 90. If it's a Pen it's a Pen regardless of time or situation.  
The minute a Pen is denied because one team is in a relegation fight , that's when we might as well give up and go home.

5 hours ago, phantom said:

Don't forget it's a MINIMUM of time added on, not five minutes left to play 

Include their time wasting, the sub and then the delay it's about correct 

Oh I get that, but from what I'd seen in the previous 94:30 I felt fairly safe the game was over. 
Just looked on the BBC;

90'+1'       Delay in match because of an injury Michal Helik (Huddersfield Town).

90'+2'.      Delay over. They are ready to continue. 

+ 1 minute *

90'+5'.      Substitution, Huddersfield Town. Oliver Turton replaces Sorba Thomas.

+ 30 seconds

90'+6'       Delay in match because of an injury Ross McCrorie (Bristol City).

90'+7'       Delay over. They are ready to continue.

+ 1 minute

That would take us to 97:30 without allowing for time wasting the Ref felt deserved adding. The Pen is given as 90 + 9 , so not massively over and then 2 bookings after the Pen is given and all the usual malarky surrounding it makes up the rest. 
I don't often leave early, and whenever I have it is usually the 30 seconds or so is blown before I reach the concourse , lesson learned .

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Completely agree, but the point I was badly making was, there was no way he came into LM’s consideration.

Which I think reflects very poorly on Manning. 

21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

In effect, the best eleven players don’t make the best team.

But playing your best players, in their best positions might help a little.

2 minutes ago, Nescot said:

Let’s get this straight, we have “no recognised CB” in your words, yet you expect us to play the same formation as Wednesday….which would’ve required an extra CB…..nice work mate.

We had one "recognised CB" Vs Blackburn .

With Vyner out we had none, but we could have played JKL an academy player and CB . 

That would have meant the same set up with one change, let me know if I've lost you mate.

10 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

The ref applied the rules on time wasting/injuries after 90 minutes. Good, although I'd not guessed it was going to be quite that much. And as the pen delayed was delayed for 2 minutes I really don't think the played time was too much over the 5. But I expect Huddersfield will attempt to time it and make a point if they feel hard done by. The cheating barstewards.

I saw the BBC gave the time as 90+10 , the added time was 5 minutes so as we were so shite 30 minutes before the end of the 5 I felt safe to leave 

14 minutes ago, RedM said:

Williams was clattered several times. Memetti was about to come on with Wells when Williams was injured so the bench delayed the decision until they decided what was happening with Williams. They gave it a few minutes but then subbed him off. I'm positive Williams was injured.

OK,  if' that was the reason , but I thought he had run it off. 

Well , talk about after the Lord Mayors show .

2nd best across the pitch, 2nd to every ball , 2nd to the loose ball and created virtually nothing.

We could have made one change and kept virtually the same team and shape as Vs Blackburn, but like the ghost of Lee Johnson was overseeing the game ,we chose to shuffle the entire pack .

We were awful in the first half, but no changes until that magical 60 minutes has come and gone , ever !

I know Williams got a knock , but he seemed ok so I wonder why he came off and not James who had a stinker .

Let's not kid ourselves , that should have been two or three nil. not a draw. 

Having to start a game with no recognised CB is really unlucky , but we didn't need to set up like that , and we sure didn't need a manager to stand hands in pockets and watch it passively .

9 minutes ago, Midred said:

I didn't see the match, what happened to Max?

Collision , came for a ball the same time as the striker.

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Can’t remember the timing, but when did Williams first get a knock…was it around that time???