BS4 on Tour...

1 minute ago, Stortz said:

Oh dear oh dear.

He'd have had to type the 'the' in either scenario wouldn't he, so there's an additional 'L' for your collection!

That sounds just like a post I’d have written - it’s great that all my fellow pedants, who’ve obviously been hiding away, are rushing out from undercover now! Cheers all ...

1 minute ago, View from the Dolman said:

Would anyone say "take loss" rather than "take the loss"? So I'd say "take the L" is actually more efficient and it looks like you've wasted more effort than @Phileas Fogg. 

Someone more pedantic than me! Brill! Cheers ...

On 21/05/2022 at 05:33, TedsHeadIs Red said:

Superb pedantry 

Why is stating facts dismissed as pedantry by yourself? It’s a fact that LJ does not have the best win percentage of any Sunderland manager over the last 100 years. I merely pointed that out and proved it - and you say ‘superb pedantry’ - I totally accept that I’m quite rightly seen as being a bit pedantic on here - but most of the time that is levelled at me when I just state facts - yes, facts - so how was my correcting the guy who said that LJ is the most successful Sunderland manager over the last 100 years, ‘superb pedantry’ - when I was just correct ...

On 21/05/2022 at 10:05, Redtucks said:

 

................and the previous 5 points of Harry's post???????

Your reply to those seems to have disappeared!

 

I was simply replying to Harry saying LJ was the most successful Sunderland manager in the last 100 years in terms of win percentage - that was incorrect - didn’t realise you wanted me to critique all his points?! Life’s too short ...

On 21/05/2022 at 08:48, Phileas Fogg said:

He just finds it very difficult to take the L. Especially when it concerns detail.

You’d think one would be able to hold their hands up and say ‘Oh yes, apologies, forgot the JPT’ (their personal views on the prestige of the trophy neither here not there) but seemingly not. 

Too much hassle to type ‘loss’ rather than ‘the L’ ?! And with the space it’s actually more characters than ‘loss’ - by trying to appear to be ‘street’ you actually had to put in more effort!

18 minutes ago, Harry said:

LJ’s CV. 

6) Sunderland - when dismissed had produced the highest win percentage of any Sunderland manger in nearly 100 years. 

That’s not true, Billy Elliott returned a 53.8% win percentage before departing as Sunderland manager in 1979 - LJ’s win percentage with the Black Cats was 51.3% ... 

Just now, TonyTonyTony said:

You clearly have an agenda here. I note you now acknowledge his “one claim to fame” when previously suggesting he had done nothing. That’s at least more honest than you were previously when you dismissed the EFL trophy as counting for nothing. Despite following your own team to finals several times.

As i said : weird as **

I’ve never had an agenda with regards to football - an agenda was what we used to have in pathetic meetings back in my previous corporate life - and the last item on the agenda was always ‘AOB’ - which was when the real debate started! And that annoyed the majority of the meeting attendees who were just waiting for the buffet to arrive! I’ve never disliked LJ or had ‘an agenda’ against him, never ever ...

10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Lee Johnson has been a manager for 450 games at various clubs - he is not a ‘young upcoming gaffer’ as many try to portray him, and his one claim to fame is winning the tier three/tier four Football League Trophy for a club as massive as Sunderland - and that is it. Really not sure why you describe my questioning of this as ‘strange behaviour’ - he hasn’t really achieved anything ... it’s sad, but it’s true ...

Anyway @TonyTonyTony - it’s getting late now, but just to say, I appreciate our online sparrings, it’s great that you constantly hold me to account for my views and I do the same back at you. It’s never personal for me, just good old fashioned debate, which is what a forum like this is all about - especially on a Friday night! Have a great weekend - cheers

17 minutes ago, sinenomine said:

Moving the goalposts again. 

It's not true. 

What ‘achievements’ has LJ got on his cv? 

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Winning a trophy at Wembley isn’t zero achievements is it? A trophy you seem to want to degrade despite going to see it 2 or 3 times by your own admission. Strange behaviour tbh

Lee Johnson has been a manager for 450 games at various clubs - he is not a ‘young upcoming gaffer’ as many try to portray him, and his one claim to fame is winning the tier three/tier four Football League Trophy for a club as massive as Sunderland - and that is it. Really not sure why you describe my questioning of this as ‘strange behaviour’ - he hasn’t really achieved anything ... it’s sad, but it’s true ...

7 minutes ago, sinenomine said:

Moving the goalposts again. 

It's not true. 

Sad 

2 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Hmm. It is a trophy nonetheless and you trying to delete it is only to try and degrade Johnson’s CV presumably because you don’t like him. Very odd 

I never disliked LJ at all, ever ... just to make that clear - he obviously loved our club but he just wasn’t up to the task of getting us promoted - we seemed to be in with a shout at New Year each season then we plummeted to the depths each time ... I haven’t tried to degrade LJ’s cv - he has zero achievements on it - that’s all I said, and it’s pretty true ....

2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

You’ve conveniently added in the word ‘major’ here when before you were just talking about ‘achievements’. 

Blimey, and I thought I was the pedantic one - ok, I don’t believe winning the Football League Trophy as manager of Sunderland when your opponents are all from the bottom two tiers of English football plus a group of youngsters looking for experience from higher clubs, is an ‘achievement’ ... Happy now pedantic one?

9 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Did you not celebrate it when we won the cup in 14/15, when there were 70 odd thousand fans there? What about in 2002 at the Millennium stadium ? Is that irrelevant too?

Cancel culture my arse. You are just talking shyte

I’ve said on here before, I went to all the finals of The Football League Trophy in which we were involved - but I saw them all as a day out and I wasn’t that bothered if we won or not, with the exception of the 1986 one, because to me that was a real statement about how we were on the way back after 1982 - and the emotion that poured out of Terry Cooper after the rollercoaster of the previous few years just meant so much. But, as I’ve also said on here before, two City fans sat in front of me at the 2000 final, when we lost to Stoke, were in tears at the final whistle - and they not youngsters by any means - I couldn’t believe that and I just can’t get too excited by The Football League Trophy competition - and now we are not in it, it seems loads on here ridicule it annually too ...

10 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

There is a certain irony in undoubtedly the most pedantic member of the forum taking exception to being corrected on something! 

So you think winning the Papa John Trophy is a major achievement? Fair enough ... I don’t feel I was ‘corrected’ because I don’t think it’s a major achievement ...

19 hours ago, Alessandro said:

What was it about those who challenged you that made you think they were cancel culture/snowflake brigade?

Or is it just that the Daily Mail/Telegraph has told you that anyone who disagrees with you about anything is ‘cancel culture/snowflake’? 
 

Just trying to understand your apparent view that anyone who may have ‘supported’ LJ is a snowflake/cancel culture and how on earth it’s related. 

I’ve never said or held the view that anyone who supported LJ is a snowflake ... strange assertion that ... 

13 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

People complaining about Stewards...would I stand in the way of hundreds trying a pitch invasion on their wage? Sod that 

This is only about five seconds but it's the funniest example of Millwall stewards “trying to stop a pitch invasion” ever! I laughed long and hard ... 

46 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

People seem unable to celebrate without goading opposition players. It’s either got to be seven figure fines, points deductions or fences. If you think punching opposition players is ok you are retarded.

“Seven figure fines” - for the clubs or the individual?!

2 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Billy BS got another job . Has anyone with zero achievements ever lasted so long . 

You go steady there BW - when I recently suggested on here that LJ had ‘zero achievements on his cv’ I was leapt upon by the cancel culture/snowflake brigade because apparently he won the Leasing.com/Papa Johns Trophy ... oh well, what an achievement ...

Are we counting clubs that don’t exist anymore or who aren’t in the league anymore?

3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Luton Town for Championship side ?

Edit

Cancel that - they lost to Forest when we lost the semi

No need to cancel it - the OP said the question was about the ‘new Wembley’ - there was no new Wembley when we lost to Forest in 1989 ...

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Sorry, been offline! All been given bar one that I can see

Blackburn

Ipswich 

Accrington

Hartlepool

Port Vale

Crawley

Charlton Athletic?!

3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Good question on the Twitter:

Now Forest have made it to Wembley, there are only 7 league teams who won’t have played  at the new Wembley since it opened in 2007 (three of these also never played at old Wembley). 

4 League Two

2 League One

1 Championship 

Without looking it up, any answers…?

NB they can have played at Wembley while non league, a la Rovers…

Apparently there are nine teams - but I’m not sure I believe that total too ...

10 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

To be pedantic ...

... you rang?!

9 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

LJ hardly played for them and McAllister is a Man United fan from Glasgow. I doubt they'll care too much. 

Must have been interesting following Hibs in the 80s, they had a pretty renowned set of troublemakers! 

I was up there quite a lot in the 80s and Hibs and Aberdeen were rabid rivals - they didn’t hold back home and away - carnage ... but believe me, any Hibee manager with a link to ‘them’ won’t go down well ...