Mr Popodopolous

Some managers and or clubs seem to luck out don't they. I don't especially rate Parker, do many people but he seems to get sides over the line albeit big budget and strongly fancied at the level. You can also add Martin to Southampton, I don't think he has achieved any thing particularly amazing. Swansea actually seem to have a bit of a Midas touch when it comes to approaches for their managers and compensation. I can understand Rodgers and Martinez, you can argue Cooper to some extent but Potter first year with Parachute Payments, some nice foorhall ane midtable. Martin similar, albeit no Parachute Payments but what exactly has he achieved there. No disaster but just...meh. I would argue Laudrup had he been approached when his stock was highish I would also have got. It brings me onto my next point whixh is that I don't get half the managerial appointments these days top of Championship, bottom third PL. Why does NP get overlooked for such roles- and long may it continue as it means he is doing well here btw, he has a better pedigree than many who have been appointed in this bracket. Surely teams like Watford shouldn't have sacked. Pearson or O'Neil at Bournemouth anyone? Albeit the latter did well in his own right. Pearson v Martin, Pearson v Parker.

Agreed. His view is but one. I'm a little sceptical we will receive bids at the level we and Scott deserve but yeah just one view.

My mate who is a PL fan but sees a range of Bristol City game was debating this with them on weekend, fee etc. He reckons £15-20m, £20m being top end of the bids we will get. How would £25-30m sit in terms of all-time record fees at this level.

May not be doomed if Derby are a benchmark. They got a Winding-up petition in January 2020. Was not reported on by any media at the time which is very unusual for a football club especially one of their standing and it was withdrawn. Quite why is hard to say, not been able to find any credible explanations- perhaps they promised to pay a restructure then Covid came along and such matters were on hold of course.

I'm not that convinced, not in terms of his ability but in terms of our ability to command the fee his ability and our development merits. Ah yes the 8 home grown players rule. Just trying to extrapolate what we may get for him in this market, in theory he is optimum price time now. McAllister and heavily linked with Kone and Thuram. Would they be looking to sign a 4th midfielder?

The thing is if you're a board in the PL, such is the pull of the PL for a few reasons. You can get Scott who while hugely promising and we know how good he can be and may well shoot up further. However what percentage of that is potential and growth. Scott or an established International top flight albeit elsewhere midfielder with CL experience from a European League for a similar price? You might be inclined to play it a bit safer. This is the concern I have with the £25m price tag vs the global pull of the PL. PL clubs can very much afford Scott but will they play it safer at that price at this stage I wonder.

I mean, not so much Vyner but first season or loan spell he had some excellent recovery speed Kalas. Think he is better technically than he gets credit for albeit conservative. Don't disagree on Vyner but Kalas hmm, his technical stats prior to joining us were strong albeit at Fulham under Jokanovic they indeed were a very possession heavy side which would influence that. Leadership thing too, yes he won't necessarily lead. The injuries probably won't have helped either as pre injury I could have seen Kalas in a highish line but that would also require the right midfield and team setups etc.

FFP wise okay there will be some unknowns maybe if accepted Covid losses for 2021-22 exceed £2.5m but otherwise I would say best guess would be an allowable FFP loss not exceeding £13-14m this upcoming season. Which in accounting terms is £20-21m probably pre tax. Will he interesting to see how much more we can spend independent of sales or sell on windfalls.

Thanks. So we want more in the bank now whereas some clubs may want a greater percentage in add-ons, targets hit etc? Bellingham is an interesting case study for this. Think Borussia Dortmund were certainly wanting some £130m plus add-ons according to a report in March. He went for £88.5m- but add-ons push it closer to that target fee. The remainder ie the further £29-30m seems to be linked to add-ons etc.

Ah yeah £50m hole can be taken a raw ways. It could mean on track to fail by £50m or it could mean needing a £50m transfer profit. If it is the former then that would need to be filled just to get back to parity then thereafter £1 in £1 out kinda thing. Also seen it suggested that they won't be going for fees of £25m this summer but it's still early. Plenty can happen.

Do you know if price is a sticking point for said club? Seen it a few times in media reports and fans of said clubs or some fans of said clubs saying "Hmm, £25m a bit steep" etc.

Was having a quick browse of the Wolves forum. One post, indeed thread suggested a £50m FFP hole?? If true they won't be signing Scott any time soon, that kind of Projected breach sounds like sell first then buy. http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/filling-a-£50m-ffp-hole.718365/

Injury has done him few favours IMO.

Very much so. Was quite impressed with him in last Euros, certainly remember him v Holland he seemed quite good. Real shame about the injuries.

Many Everton fans will he happy about the latter, they've been demanding them out for ages. Perhaps was pre-arranged? This well followed Twitter user says he is cracking open champagne!

He has the best pedigree of any of our current defenders however. 2 promotions, 2 playoff campaigns at this level across 4 campaigns prior to joining us.

A bidding war this summer or at a push January 2024 is most likely. IMO. Next summer, Brereton-Diaz a good example Blackburn certainly priced him out of a move at that point. Different ages, different players I know. Nor sure he will sign a contract extension however to add one year wirh a proviso that he can definitely go next summer might be a good compromise.

Financials aside, I think our offer certainly fair but whether he will go for it only time will tell. Hopefully won't drag too long.

Foreign clubs can sign from 6 months form end of deal so this is also a factor- pre-contract, see Brereton-Diaz to Villarreal so it might not just be low balling but if say in 18 months time he was in the final 6 months, January 2024, he was really smashing it...and Borussia Dortmund or someone came in! Clubs in 12 months maybe eyeing up a Bosman addition a year from then or perhaps his agent a nice juicy commission. Many ways it could go. Although we would get compensation if he left on a free as under 24.

The Fixed asset loophole is gone, sponsorships must be fair value- I susoecy thay paet of theit compliance and or spend strategy has been linked to the Sale case. I believe we were monitored or voluntarily did so to a similar level so given the new rules that are designed to prevent a breach before it happens...

Sure and thanks but their FFP position itself doesn't look too clever. They don't have major offsets, we are still on the £39m cycle.and they lost granted pre offsets £26m in 2021-22. Their Parachute Payments are gone, and they are not very good sellers of players. Given their income of £20m or so a year typically I expect they have an FFP challenge ahead. Look at the issues we had over 12-18 months. With income £10m higher.

True and yes for footballing reasons it would be excellent to keep him and have him develop for another year but it tends to be that when the final year of the deal entered the value can fall precipitously.

I don't see how they can splash cash given their likely FFP position.

The odd thing here and I hope they come through it. This is reported as usual. When Derby had a Winding Up Petition or a potential one in early 2020, it never made the news. This was prior to Covid but usually when a club gets a Winding Up Petition or similar it is newsworthy especially one of Derby's size. That particular one was withdrawn, dunno how it usually plays out with HMRC and Winding Up Petitions.

Trying to work out what we realistically will it can get for Scott tbis summer is quite difficult. Few on this forum mention Borussia Dortmund. Alvarez, Ajax midfield- linked for €35m. 6 years older than Scott. About £30.1m. Is 25 and will turn 26 in October. Nmecha, Wolfsburg also midfield- linked with both Borussia Dortmund and Man United. Is 22 and will turn 23 in October. Seen him suggested at £15m. Alvarez also linked with West Ham. Palhinha £50-60m a key priority for West Ham- 27 and turns 28 in July. 8 years older than Scott. Benchmarking with players is very difficult but does this give us any indicator? Scott btw having just checked is ahead of all of them in terms of first team gametime at their respective ages.