Mr Popodopolous

Good Podcast. Bit long but came across it when reading that thread. https://shows.acast.com/fan-engagement-pod/episodes/changing-fan-behaviour-time-for-a-rethink

Problem is, where are the Premier League spending that money? Abroad and with each other so far! (Trossard £27m, Ings £12-15m two reported moves).

Do you mean £12m basic plus lots of add-ons or rising to £12m if add-ons met? That's an important distinction- if you mean £12m instantly rising if add-ons met then I can see that as grounds for serious negotiation.

On one level, but if he hits last season's form, remains fit etc maybe we could be commanding between £15-20m.

The price starts to drop in the final 18 months of contract probably but it can depend on age, form etc. Were we? Wasn't aware of this. Edit found the article in q.

Cheated FFP on the way up too! A small fine (relative to the gains). Which has given then a platform to yoyo.

Well in 2019 Birmingham were charged wirh misconduct when they rejected bids for Adams in Jan 2019. Is this a risk here? They sold him for £15-16m in summer 2019 (went into 2019-20 accounts) but the League were antagonised that they didn't sell him for reportedly bids of £11-12m in January if that year, which would have gone into that seasons accounts. The bids were close to Birmingham's valuation it later came out and would have wiped any FFP deficit. (Stadium sale resolved that one). Granted it was a second season of potential breach. The League lost the case but appealed and won, albeit more of a legal principle rather than a hard sanction. Birmingham technically complied but not with the required method.

Maybe...although PL clubs seem very keen to look abroad right now and Bournemouth are linked with a Lorient wide attacking player for £20m so maybe true.

This January to Bournemouth or someone else? It is- although I do still look at Birmingham v EFL in 2019 with a slight bit of worry and wonder if anything is applicable here. (They got charged with misconduct when rejecting Che Adams bids in Jan 2019). I reckon we have been much more cooperative but who knows what was requested/haggled behind closed doors.

Isn't that a difference between amortisation and cash flow though?

Just one of many targets for these wealthy yet desperate PL sides. Sounds like £10m their upper limit or will they be back?

As I thought, trying to weasel some compensation to give them a bit more to spend moving forward. At the reversal of impairment for a dead player seems highly unlikely now.

Southampton fans albeit a tiny sample size don't seem wildly enthusiastic about him either. In fairness I guess they are also looking at the short term 'Get someone in with experience and or who knows the League, survive now and look at options later. Selling to Bournemouth would only enhance their chances of yoyoing back if as looks likely they drop back.

Just watched it, he's a fairly objectionable individual stuck in a past era. A dinosaur in short. He's wrong anyway, people can try to sneak alcohol in regardless of standing or seated areas, cocaine you don't have to stand to do etc. Throwing out straw man arguments he is. Wonder if our own Head of Security (Mr. Storr) never had any dealings with him so I've an open mind, is more open minded or is similarly stuck in the last? I know he was in WMP which wasn't a great force for football and at times in general in the past...our own fans had difficulties with them over a 25-30 year period too.

£8m pfft! Sure keep channels open, if they come back with better offers absolutely but £8m?? Come on! I understand clubs will low ball as Adams and Birmingham in 2019 but that's a bit of an insult.

Ooh good thread. NP obviously, Cotts too. Okay certain City bias there but met NP once, do like him. Cotts for the fantastic turnaround, seemed very passionate too- once sat near the dugout and noticed that intensity from closer quarters. Think he should have been a bit more pragmatic in 2015-16 then he would have inherited the increased transfer and wage budget that came with the redevelopment being completed. The will to win, the ambition to process and progress- seize the moment all admirable. Gary Johnson 1 game from PL from bottom of League One in 2 and a half years was quite a ride. Some fun Cup games too! (Coventry and Middlesbrough in 2006-07 FA Cup and Man City at home League Cup 2007-08). Eclectic range really beyond that. Paul Warne- Gets the very most out of his players, especially in a side that he has built and some of his earlier games at home v middling and lower sides were more attack minded than usual-- Rotherham certainly would be higher up the table if he was still there IMO. Mark Robins- Inherited a shambles, decent football- SISU was one long shambles there...Plus the stadium issue, he's done very well in that environment. Gareth Ainsworth, Wycombe had a strong of terrible decisions again at them in the Behind Closed Doors season, still almost kept them up. Great late run. Claudio Ranieri- Always thought he was a bit of a character. Tinkerman all that, had never won a major title until Leicester which was a great story in itself but him winning it also quite good. A certain incumbent here laid some foundations of course but Ranieri himself arguably laid foundations at Chelsea, Valencia and maybe some others. Bielsa, quite liked him. Some gt4st football, got s lot out of Leeds in a quickie Watch a bit of European foorball too. A few random ones. Gasperini- Has done very good things at Atalanta on a budget, qualifying for the CL while selling best players and reinvesting and an attacking style of play is to be applauded. Had a strong Genoa side too but never saw it through- was swiftly sacked at Inter after a month or 2. Briefly a very attack minded side, also matching or outstripping much richer Juventus over a 3 year period in the CL is impressive. Agnelli cited them as an example as to why 'big' clubs should get more protection in the CL. Very much greater than the sum of their parts under him, strong academy too. https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/atalanta-not-worthy-champions-league-juventus-agnelli/15wtw13l1rrpx1a6g58i3efn70 Slightly random but same year Ranieri won the title here the guy who got Turkey to 3rd in WC 2002 won his 1st title. Generally got overlooked in Turkey somewhat so was nice to see Senol Gunes get a certain level of vindication, 2 titles at Besiktas after bad luck in title races at his home town club (Trabzonspor). Luciano Spalletti- Believe he was a bit underrated, did some quite good things at Roma in two spells. Possibly harshly sacked at Inter, now has Napoli in a very strong position in Serie A- doing well in CL too. Bielsa- Very impressive turnaround at Leeds, they were 15th when he took over, spent some money yes but up until his final few months did very well there. Fairly unique style of play as well, did Well with Athletic Bilbao and Chile too but bombed in his biggest job of all- Argentina 2002. They were justifiably one of the top candidates that year.

Plus he has got a lot more out of certain players who were dismissed as flops- Joelinton and Alimiron two notable examples.

It's a while since I've looked at this stuff but EPPP and Academy Categories. From memory this is quite heavily weighted towards PL sides. Category One Academy can give an advantage but those who know more, what tangible advantage if any does EPPP give say Southampton over us in this area? Is that still a thing?

I could see him at Brentford and fitting their style albeit they aren't yet an established PL side but seem to be very well run currently. The London connection too.

Agree with a lot of what you say but I do wonder if a shift in market dynamic towards foreign over Championship is beginning. Time will tell and more specifically quick skimread for Semenyo news said he's been on a shortlist for a while but nothing concrete yet. My quick analysis is only 7-7.5 percent of PL expenditure in the summer was on Championship players and of those not from freshly relegated clubs, it falls to maybe 3-3.5 percent.

People who still doubt or query whether vocal home support has an impact on the players should if they get time listen to this podcast. May change minds, may not but came across it looking for something else.

I expect they'll look towards Europe a bit but I'm never the most bullish- they are currently linked with a £20m wide man from Ligue 1. Bournemouth also seem keen on a return for Danjuma too. To play Devil's Advocate are Championship players being priced out of the market a bit? In that PL clubs so far have spent £0 on Championship players this window. Having re-read maybe I'm being a bit negative. £15m or are you thinking more?

In respect of Bryan and Reid, worth pointing out that without a sale of some kind that season even had we added nobody we would likely have exceeded FFP albeit not by much. Basing my calculations on the losses pre transfer activity and the prior year actual 2 seasons. Then it would have been a true gamble because we would have needed to go up in 2018-19 to make the gamble worth it or FFP would have been failed and we would have lost Bryan and Reid on a free. Maybe the sale of Flint and Magnússon would have solved the FFP but what happens with room to add? Not much IMO.

Think it might settle down and average out somewhere in the middle as in the 4 home.gsmes in which we played well in 2, had a good 1st half a soft goal aside (v Stoke) and had our moments at home to West Brom in 1st half, we had 47 shots in those 4 games. Which is solid creation... ...However those 47 shots yielded 1 goal which is ridiculous!

Didn't Pring vanish for a while too? Jury out on whether that was fair or required but either way he is certainly delivering now.