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Just now, downendcity said:

The good thing about early kick offs on Saturday is that it gets bad news out of the war sooner 

The bad thing is there is more of the weekend to live with it.

Yep totally ***** up the weekend. 

Just now, The Coach said:

15 mins to go. You never know

I think deep down we all do…

Just now, petehinton said:

I’ll be absolutely astounded if he leaves it like it is for the rest of the game 

I don’t think he’s capable of making a substitution that will tactically alter the game. Clueless

There you are, that’s that then.

Just now, old_eastender said:

Conway & Mehmeti coming on it seems

So just the one substitute then

Just now, Med/MadHatter said:

I got up at 4:30am (-7 hours time difference) to watch this, I should've just stayed in bed!

Probably too early to start drinking…

Just now, Spike said:

I know it sounds stupid but if Ipswich come at us due to our poor results and their high confidence we may do better because we play better against teams who open up as they play. QPR, Wednesday and now Cardiff have all set up to nullify our attack and try to catch us on the counter and we're clueless in how to adapt to it, well at least Manning is.
If Ipswich open up we may actually be able to play the passes that we've not been able to recently but this is my issue with Manning, he doesn't read the game, he sets out his gameplay and refuses to change it when it doesn't work.

We’ve only got 6 mins to the 60 min triple substitution..

Just now, downendcity said:

That might be where his brains are.

At least he’s consistently inept for both teams…

Why are you stopping play for that ref??? He’s sitting on his arse not holding his head.

Just now, downendcity said:

Any streams?

Nah, just crusty…

4 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Behave.  Up until the early naughties nothing had an edge like this one. The centre took on an almost oppressive air to it. 
 

Post rebrand, yeah, it’s certainly not what it was. 

I do remember one pre-Atyeo stand game, where the Cardiff fans were having a ding dong with Avon and Somersets finest, chucking police helmets over the fence to cheers from the Dolman, and I think (it might have been the same game) Cardiff tried to get through a gate to get to the Dolman, one of their number got through and charged thinking all his mates were behind him, not realising that the stewards had managed to get to the gate and close it, leaving him by himself. Needless to say the City fans who had made their way down the Dolman steps were pleased to welcome the solitary Cardiff fan, saved only by some poor steward that dived in to pull him out and dumped him back in the open end. 

Funny and unlikely to be replicated again.

Just now, Abingdon Red said:

I'd take wells off, put Sykes on the right and mehmeti on the left

Have you watched Mehmeti at all this season, might as well play with 10.

Wouldn’t totally call it a turgid affair, but it really is rather dull. I’m getting more entertainment picking my nose on the sofa.

I think I like McCrorie’s physicality, he does look up for a fight at corners.  I bet he’s a right menace outside the kebab shop at 2am on a Sun morning. I wouldn’t be caught looking at his pint, kebab or bird…

8 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

You don't recruit a head coach as fixed in their way as Manning if you're not comfortable with them bringing their style of football with them as well, regardless of whether it being the on the grass style coach that is the main point you want.

Sadly I think their decision was based on a 20 min spell against Oxford at the start of the year, before they eventually got beat 5-1.

2 hours ago, robinforlife2 said:

Tommy has done okay, and has scored goal, but he isn't a key player who can't be replaced, or one who can walk into any club in this league, neither will he have premier league clubs jumping all over him. If he's not signing a new deal, just sell him to the highest bidder. I've no doubt, that give it 3/4 years, TC will be playing for someone like Swansea or Cardiff and be a bit part player. He isn't as good as he thinks he is, and he benefitted most from an unselfish Wells, who gifted him a number of goals last season, when he could have taken them himself. If we get 2/3m great. But he's not a player I'll be sad to see go. 

No one is irreplaceable granted, and I appreciate that quite often your views can be contrary, but no one is stating that TC is the finished article, but to write him off at this stage in his career I think is very short sighted, you don’t get many strikers on top of their game at his age, he’s still learning his trade. His finishing ability will have lots of people looking at him as one to develop further.

Ultimately if he’s not going to sign, then we’ll have to sell, and undoubtedly he will have had his mate in his ear on what Prem earnings are, it’s just a crying shame that our current way of playing seems to have a complete aversion to creating any sort of meaningful chance unless it’s a corner, and I get why a young kid would be massively frustrated and to look elsewhere.

No issue about being “gifted” goals, if that’s what you believe, although again i think that’s perhaps a line to be deliberately obtuse, but all good striking double acts tend to have one of them scoring more than the other - Turner and Taylor is a good City example, you’ve still got to put them away.

I suspect if he was enjoying his football then he might be slightly less inclined to go, but there is nothing about the way we are playing him that suggests he is enjoying he football right now, and frankly I’d have to agree with him. What Manning is serving up is mostly dull and to opposition managers is seemingly very predictable football.

13 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Diedhiou was incapable of playing with a partner.

Little game intelligence or enthusiasm to work in conjunction with a partner

Setting aside how we are currently playing , Id say TCs ideal partner would be mobile , athletic , good movement and intelligence ,not necessarily a significant physical presence 

We had a little halcyon period with TC playing of Wells in a 2. Both of them on the same wavelength almost in some form of symbiotic relationship of knowing where the other would be, if I recall the pair of them tore Cardiff a new one at Ashton Gate (oh the irony with the next fixture). We’ve moved so far away from that now to the point where 1 is the 60 minute substitute for the other….

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

#notbuzzinganymore

Yep, default is to drop into a block.  Not a low block, quite a high block, but a block nonetheless.  City now wait for a trigger.  Under Nige we tried to force the issue more.  We weren’t a gegen-press either, but the intent was very different to now.

Just looking two little blocks of LM’s time here: (league only)

First block QPR to Hull - 604 mins / 19 shots / touches in pen area 24 / passes received 40

Second Block Watford to Sheffield - 738 mins / 7 shots / touches in pen area 22 / passes received 70

Not been at it, or getting completely different service.  60% of his passes received were inside the pen area in that opening block, 31% in the second block.

Stats aren’t everything, agreed, but the way we are playing is chalk and cheese. Look at where his chances came from in the cup…first time ball from Williams, through he goes to score. Another he was offside.  We’ve stopped creating those opportunities.

This pretty much sums up where we are.  Why would you hang around when you are not getting the service you need. Tinman used to extol his virtues as being the best finisher in the club, but he’s not being given anything to finish…

Why when he’s on the cusp of international recognition, would he hang about and regress in a team that no longer creates a) chances generally and b) the type of chances he thrives on.

I think in the right environment he’ll be a 15-20 goal a season merchant, but it won’t be here under this regime, still I’m sure we can all find enjoyment with 200+ passes per game across the back 4 with no shots on goal.

5 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Well, if you think BCFC losing is comedy then I think that says everything about your so say support for this club. The 'can't let go' club are very funny. 

I started a thread in Nov 22 entitled 'Pearson Out'- simply as I didn't think he'd take us anywhere as he subsequently proved to all the world- I never said anything remotely insulting about him.. Shame that supporting revisionist history has become your thing. Let it all out, Dave, but try and keep it real.

I also said NP did good things in the same way as SO'D did- taking over a difficult situation. I thought he was broadly professional but dismissed for the right reasons

Haha! So anyone who didn't want Pearson long term is now a Manning worshipper!!! I think he's done some good as most have at some point but I couldnt give a shite whether he's the manager or not just like Pearson- it's about results and where we are at the end of the season. I'll support him until he's proved beyond any doubt that he is not up for the role.

 

 

12 Championship teams have dismissed their Manager this season. 13 in League 1 and 10 in L2. It happens but SL has never been trigger happy.

P.s I think Brian Tinnion has done a great job. Steve Lansdown is a good owner, built a solid Championship club with his money not "ours" and we've been very lucky to have him. 

Hey Alexa, define “triggered”….

9 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Nothing excites me to be honest pre or post Pearson, just wish people would get behind the new manager, i'm as frustrated as the next man with our constant inconsistency but i think it's crazy calling for his head after 3 months particularly when his record this season is no worse than NP's

If the manager gives the fans something to get excited then they will. There’s been too much shite served up since Xmas with 4 highlights. Saturdays performance was enough for me.

12 hours ago, red panda said:

Silly idiots, they used the wrong rolodex.  They should have used the "guaranteed promotion-winning managers just itching to come and work at Ashton Gate" list.

Most of our recent appointments have fallen into three main categories:

• up and coming managers, probably with experience mainly in lower leagues - Manning, L Johnson and McInnes are recent examples
• more experienced managers - either with moderate track records or perhaps some with good records who have hit a rocky patch (or why else would they be available and willing to consider us?) - e.g. Pearson, Cotterill, O'Driscoll, Coppell , G Johnson and Wilson
• a rookie appointed from within (e.g. Holden and Tinnion).  It worked for Bournemouth with Eddie Howe, but it's a very, very long shot.

We're absolutely not alone in trying different approaches from time to time.  Looking across the Championship, the 'up and coming' route has quite a good track record recently - Vincent Kompany, Paul Heckingbottom and Rob Edwards won promotion last year, Scott Parker and Steve Cooper the previous year, alongside exception Marco Dasilva.

The main option we haven't tried recently (since Benny!) is bringing in an overseas coach - this has had a few successes, but also a large number of failures and is really difficult to get right.

Some haven't worked, but not many have been complete disasters and I'd say Cotterill and both Johnsons were quite successful in their own ways.

They just need to look around the office to try a bit harder to find that "guaranteed promotion-winning managers" list.

You forgot the current selection category which was seemingly based on a 20 min spell in a Caribou cup match this season which our current appointment went on to lose 5-1....

42 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Liam Manning deserves a summer, additional players and that time of the grass to demonstrate he is the fit BCFC said he is, and Nigel Pearson evidently was not.

I’d like to think the outcome of the next 12 games will decide that. To my mind poor results and more importantly poor performances would suggest he’s done nothing to earn a summer, especially as he now has empty weeks and an international break to convey whatever he wants to do. 

I’m not buying the players not being good enough or capable of change, these are experienced professional players mostly of championship quality, who are used to being coached and playing different styles - we know he’s not up to it tactically as recent games have demonstrated, but perhaps he’s not that good a coach at this level either…

Not sure of the need to highlight Pearson here though, my argument is the apparent inability of the incumbent and the lack of experience at this level.

Good debate though. Let’s hope you are right and I’m not.

1 hour ago, Gaseater said:

I’ve been on here less than a week that’s enough for me, what a shitshow - you spend your life on here, I genuinely feel for you. Decent posters on here must be long gone. 

Bye then, feel free to allow the door to hit you on the way out…..

13 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

An answer would be the head coach develops and leads. 

As you are using the parallel of business. Liam Manning is clearly  unskilled clearly, the team has lows, and highs, so this is not all chance. He is in that business arc of change, problems in change, challenges have to be expected, unless we believe these players are capable of promotion.

My expectation was bottom half. Transition. Challenges and problems. Learning who can reach expectations, who can develop, who can cope, who progresses, and those to replace and bin because they can't, or won't meet the expectations of his big pictures vision.

Any coach, super or otherwise, has big problems here if they are viewed versus months while, implementing a differing direction.

 

 

 

I get what you are saying, but we both know that football does not work in that way. A string of poor results and the coach/manager is under pressure regardless of the hoped for end game.

The commercial implications of poor results and increasing apathy amongst supporters, e.g season ticket sales, sponsorships, corporate hospitality will all have an effect, and that’s before you consider playing side issues. On the playing side you have to consider relegation (probably not at risk this season but not mathematically ruled out at this point). Can the club survive a season or two in League 1, probably yes, but not without major restrictions on budget and transfer attractiveness that will ultimately set us back years, and also affect the club’s perceived value to investors especially if the current owners are seeking a way out.

Your expectation is not where the club publicly pitched the appointment of Manning, so whether that’s his fault or not, there is an immediate litmus test on his progress, and bluntly that’s not going well. I think the potential of this squad remains upper mid-table with a bit of twinge of playoff excitement as there is always a team that has a late run, and I don’t think Manning is currently capable of reaching that.

There are 12 games left, if we have 12 performances that are anything like the dross served up of late then I think he’s done, a poor result against Cardiff at home won’t do him any favours in the short term.

21 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

The belief is silly. No able coach coaches solely out of a text book. 

All football is based upon theory. And experienced and inexperienced managers apply their systems of ideas (theory) to football.

Theory will tell a coach that magnets on a board are not the best means of communication for all players. Experience and theory will also tell a coach how to use differing learning styles of visual, aural, reading, kinesthetics etc (VARK). 

 

Exactly and underlines my point, what point of reference does an inexperienced coach (from a league football) perspective go back to when things are not going well? Manning’s point of references will be a bit of L1, L2, and pretty much little else, all he’s got is the theory and experience that would have come from his coaching qualifications and academy youngsters. 

Does a business looking to recruit a new Ops Director bring in a Business Management graduate with potential or someone with experience? The answer is that they bring them both in, one to develop and one to lead.

Unless he can learn as quickly as he wants the current squad to, then I think he’s got problems.