richie1 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 we the undersigned wish bradley to stay at ashton gate r pople Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 we the undersigned wish for City to sign Christiano Ronaldo, Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard N.O. Chance What a daft post, Orr doesnt wanna stay atless he is highest paid defender (he doesnt deserve to be paid higher than the rest) this topic has been done to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antlers Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 we the undersigned wish bradley to stay at ashton gate r pople i want him to stay, however, there are a lot of clubs out there who are/have been in financial ruin due to giving into the demands of footballers. for clubs to survive they need to put there foot down and offer wages which wont put the club at risk. i love Orr, but i love BCFC a lot more. and if it means players like Orr have to leave in order for us to survive then so be it. you only have to look at Leeds to see what happens when a club cant handle the wages. they spent loads in the transfer market and paid high wages but the gamble didn't pay off. after their champions league semi final they went into freefall. keep the red flag flying high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWurzel Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 If you change the title to "We the undersigned think Bradley Orr is an ungrateful little sod and wish to see him languish in the reserves before moving to Hereford" you'll get more signatures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Like all players Orr is just an employee of Bristol City FC. If he wants to change employee's then thats upto him. Personally I don't give a shite what Orr does. There are plenty of perfectly capable right backs out there that could do the same and probably a better job. By this time next season most of us will have forgotten that he was ever at City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easton boy Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I'm starting to change my opinion on the Orr matter entirely. Ok we don't know the facts -; we don't know what he has asked for - it may be reasonable - it may not; We do however know that it was GJ that put HIM on the transfer list and not Bradley asking for a transfer. But what I am starting to think is that we have now had 3 different RB's (wilson, Skuse and Elliott), and none of them a specialist, and whilst it irks me to say so (because I am an obdurate bugger), why not pay him an extra grand a week(or whatever), as what we get for him in the transfer window will probably be a lot less than what he is actually worth and what his replacement will cost. i.e. 1k x 52 weeks x 3 years= £156k. Replacement 500k? + signing on fee + agents fees+similar wages anyway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 If you change the title to "We the undersigned think Bradley Orr is an ungrateful little sod and wish to see him languish in the reserves before moving to Hereford" you'll get more signatures... Why do you think this? Say precisely what Orr has done or said that gives you this spiteful attitude. Like all players Orr is just an employee of Bristol City FC. If he wants to change employee's then thats upto him. Personally I don't give a shite what Orr does. There are plenty of perfectly capable right backs out there that could do the same and probably a better job. By this time next season most of us will have forgotten that he was ever at City. Oh dear. Whatever happened to loyalty and commitment? All qualities that Orr has in spades. You could try applying these qualities to Orr who has given wonderul service to our club. Granted he's not the best footballer in the world but then that's true of all his colleagues. Do you not look back on certain players from the past fondly? But they were just employees!! By your reckoning, you could just pick any number of perfectly capable local clubs and support them. There's no need for an emaotional connection as they are just "suppliers". Ah sorry, bad example in your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Oh dear. Whatever happened to loyalty and commitment? All qualities that Orr has in spades. You could try applying these qualities to Orr who has given wonderul service to our club. Granted he's not the best footballer in the world but then that's true of all his colleagues. Do you not look back on certain players from the past fondly? But they were just employees!! By your reckoning, you could just pick any number of perfectly capable local clubs and support them. There's no need for an emaotional connection as they are just "suppliers". Ah sorry, bad example in your case. Come off it Chivs! There is no sentiment in football and I certainly won't remember Orr with the same fondness that I remember other full backs like Martin Scott for example. There are other players that I remember fondly as well like Tom Richie, Gerry Gow, Rob Newman, Alan Walsh, Nicky Morgan, Shaun Taylor, Scott Murray and many more. Orr was not that good a player. Average at best. The only thing that Orr has done at City that I will remember is him head butting Carey. Hardly an affectionate memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I'd like him to stay. Simply....He's our best right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingswood red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I'd like him to stay. Simply....He's our best right back Seconded!. Until we get an adequate replacement, he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I'm starting to change my opinion on the Orr matter entirely. Ok we don't know the facts -; we don't know what he has asked for - it may be reasonable - it may not; We do however know that it was GJ that put HIM on the transfer list and not Bradley asking for a transfer. But what I am starting to think is that we have now had 3 different RB's (wilson, Skuse and Elliott), and none of them a specialist, and whilst it irks me to say so (because I am an obdurate bugger), why not pay him an extra grand a week(or whatever), as what we get for him in the transfer window will probably be a lot less than what he is actually worth and what his replacement will cost. i.e. 1k x 52 weeks x 3 years= £156k. Replacement 500k? + signing on fee + agents fees+similar wages anyway??? Because it would destroy the wage structure at the club and cause more problems than it solves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert2 Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just because hes our best right back , doesnt make him irreplaceable , he may try hard and show commitment which is no more than should be a given and most of us would do the same. Most posts on this forum are about players who we need to improve on all over the squad and a better right back with passing and crossing skills is one of the very players we need (qualities which Orr does not have) . So NO in my opinion we have shown too much loyalty to players who may keep us in the championship but will not take us further. Lets move on and take the oppurtunity he has given us by being greedy , everyone has their going rate in any job at any company and he is not happy with his so close the door on your way out bradley and good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 No ta. Completely replaceable player making unreasonable wage demands. Good luck to him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I certainly wish he stays until the end of the season rather than lose him for 200k and then get a dodgy replacement. Ribeiro once he's back needs a run of games there to prove himself and we don't need his career blocked by (another) journeyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easton boy Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Because it would destroy the wage structure at the club and cause more problems than it solves. And that was my original position as well Huw. But how do you know that it would DESTROY the current wage structure? It just seems (depending on ACTUAL figures) that offering him a little bit more than what was originally offered may be a cheaper alternative than splashing the cash on an unknown replacement - especially in the current econonmic climate. Not that I can see SL increasing wages after his comments a couple of weeks back about one of the biggest challenges is to maintain control over wage costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 There is a difference between him staying and playing and him just staying. I wouldnt be to objective if GJ chose to play Orr but i can see it on this forum, if he made a hint of a mistake people would be campaigning to get him out. However, theres no way he should get higher than other players at the club, the same is reasonable but more is not. He is not worth more than Carey, mccombe or mcalisatr in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Regardless of whether he signs a new deal or not. He's our best right back and should be playing. (especially if Wilson's is missing as was the case on saturday) It's in our and Brad's benefit for him to play well. You should play your best players, if he was such a bad influence he would have been kept away from the first team squad, which isn't the case, so why not play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 There are plenty of perfectly capable right backs out there that could do the same and probably a better job. By this time next season most of us will have forgotten that he was ever at City. Our best right back since Andy Llewellyn? Name 3 right backs as good as or better than Orr, who would REALISTICALLY want to come to Bristol City? I wont forget bradders - I will remember him fondly. The only thing that Orr has done at City that I will remember is him head butting Carey Watch it again. Louis Carey was the one who made the attempt to head-butt and was just as bad as brad in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Our best right back since Andy Llewellyn? Name 3 right backs as good as or better than Orr, who would REALISTICALLY want to come to Bristol City? I wont forget bradders - I will remember him fondly. agreed, any player that was a key part of a promotion winning team will ALWAYS be remembered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbcfc Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 If you change the title to "We the undersigned think Bradley Orr is an ungrateful little sod and wish to see him languish in the reserves before moving to Hereford" you'll get more signatures... Too right - a bloke who could easily have been sacked 2 years ago for gross misconduct - now thinks he's the big I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 This is a baseless accusation - but i'd assume that he's already been guarenteed more money by his next employers. If he's genuinely taking the chance that he may end up with less he and his agent are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Of The Dolman Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I read on BBC, that Kinnear won't be selling Michael Owen and he will be played regardless of his contract. Why are we wasting one of our best defenders when we are ultimately facing a relegation battle and thats not me putting them down or anything. I believed right until the final whistle at Hillsborough we was going to get one, people who know me know that I am one who gives the team a hell of a lot of vocal support, a fair amount of the chants at away games I'm starting. Just thought I would clear that up before I get people having a go and saying that I am not a true fan or i'm not supportive enough. Do people honestly think changing the right back on almost a weekly basis is going to help the team in general? In my honest opinion we need Bradley more than people on here seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 This is a baseless accusation - but i'd assume that he's already been guarenteed more money by his next employers. If he's genuinely taking the chance that he may end up with less he and his agent are stupid. I still don't believe he actually has an agent, last contract negotiations he used the local PFA rep, plus when Gary orginally Transfer Listed him, he said it was Solely Brad's decision. Personnaly I feel if he actually had an agent working for him, he would have probably negotiated himself a contract he would have signed by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 I still don't believe he actually has an agent, last contract negotiations he used the local PFA rep, plus when Gary orginally Transfer Listed him, he said it was Solely Brad's decision. Personnaly I feel if he actually had an agent working for him, he would have probably negotiated himself a contract he would have signed by now. If he was getting decent realistic advice he might not have backed himself into such a corner, that's true. Unfortunately he's convinced himself that the club has for some reason decided to single him out and offer him a worse contract than other players even though that's not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ashtonyate Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Regardless of whether he signs a new deal or not. He's our best right back and should be playing. (especially if Wilson's is missing as was the case on saturday) It's in our and Brad's benefit for him to play well. You should play your best players, if he was such a bad influence he would have been kept away from the first team squad, which isn't the case, so why not play him. I can see no difference playing ORR than playing Stern John Who hopefully will be gone in January.As for Orr asking for too much money the proof is in the pudding if another club signs him, I bet Trundle is on more money than Orr and I know who I would want in my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 agreed, any player that was a key part of a promotion winning team will ALWAYS be remembered Don't forget a major part of getting to the play-offs for the Premier League! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc4ever Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 agreed, any player that was a key part of a promotion winning team will ALWAYS be remembered Including Lee Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPER REDS Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Must admit would like a re negotiation to try to sort this out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Of The Dolman Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Would be gutted if Bradley left, I don't know if any stattos are about but I just curious to our record when McAllister,McCombe,Carey and Orr have been the back 4 with wins and goals conceded, think they are the best defensive line we have had in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 johnson has been far too stubborn about this... and wilson floundered at right back, skuse struggled, he did well but not as well as bradley, elliot is our best cm and therefore we cant sacrifice him. watch the video of windases goal .... it's all if's and buts but does no one else believe he would have got to windasses volley or even stopped fraiser campbell knocking the ball back if nicky barmby hadn't assaulted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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