View from the Dolman Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Another invisible post... I'm sure there's a response to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Another invisible post... I'm sure there's a response to that. Strange. I put a link to the EP. Maybe thats what caused the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Strange. But not as strange as the comment in the EP that I assume you were originally referring to. Within a short time of Clarkson arriving here, the majority of forum members recognised where his strengths lay and most people saw him as a player who would fit into the 'hole' behind the main striker(s) - provided, of course, that we play a system that calls for someone in that role. It must just have been a throw-away remark by Millen, because I cannot believe that the thought had never crossed his mind before the Preston game. Very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Oh dear! Millen really worries me sometimes..... Never realised that clarkson could do a job in the hole, but thought that Marvin Elliott could?? shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Clarkson as a player is very intelligent,played correctly he will do a excellent job for us.i said many times in the past the guy will do well if played correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty-H Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I blame Gary Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Love that the Evening Post claimed that the front three were Clarkson, Keogh and Pitman when in fact Clarkson played in the midfield 3 behind while Woolford was wide right of the front three. Talk about lazy journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 One of the oddest things about Johnson's final season at City was the way he spent the summer acquiring players to play a 3-5-2 formation, used it successfully for the first game with Clarkson in the attacking midfield role, and then abandoned it entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 One of the oddest things about Johnson's final season at City was the way he spent the summer acquiring players to play a 3-5-2 formation, used it successfully for the first game with Clarkson in the attacking midfield role, and then abandoned it entirely. Didnt Clarkson then catch that bug and was out for 2 months and had big problems getting his fitness back after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Oh dear! Millen really worries me sometimes..... Never realised that clarkson could do a job in the hole, but thought that Marvin Elliott could?? shocking. Its unbelievable isnt it at times. I hope it was meant tongue in cheek, as he played most of his career at Motherwell in "the hole", and pretty much 99% of us here on OTIB could clearly see he was better playing a bit deeper. If it wasnt meant tongue in cheek, then jesus.......were in the s**t with him in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Oh dear! Millen really worries me sometimes..... Never realised that clarkson could do a job in the hole, but thought that Marvin Elliott could?? shocking. Im more worried that he thought Elliott could do that role, defensive midfielder that should be reading the oposition play and putting his boot in where it matters, which he is very good at - let someone else do the attacking midfield stuff please. The Clarkson thing has to be tong in cheeck......hopefully, its really hard to tell when its writen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Well he laughed when he said it on the radio.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Im more worried that he thought Elliott could do that role, defensive midfielder that should be reading the oposition play and putting his boot in where it matters, which he is very good at - let someone else do the attacking midfield stuff please. The Clarkson thing has to be tong in cheeck......hopefully, its really hard to tell when its writen. Elliott isn't a defensive midfielder. A defensive midfielder sits in front of the back four and orchestrates the play - Leon Britton did it for Swansea against us last week. Just because Elliott can tackle doesn't alter the fact that he is our most attacking midfielder (he by some margin has more attempts at goal than any other midfield player). Yes, agree that Keith must have been talking tongue in cheek. He knows full well that Clarkson can play that position, as he's played there before (and spent most of pre-season 2009/10 being groomed for that position). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Strange. I put a link to the EP. Maybe thats what caused the problem. You said in one of your post's that Millen was a bright individual?, umm perhaps not that bright actually, Jesus even you spotted that one, perhaps he missed that module on his much heralded coaching courses?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I personally don't rate Clarkson but if you put him around quality players making chances, he will finish more often that not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Well he laughed when he said it on the radio.. yep, which appeared to suggested he meant it jokingly, which doesn't come across in the evening post Funny that people hate the evening post, however if there is a comment that they can use to attack millen with, then they will jump on it, regardless of it's context. Personally, find it amazing that's he's rarely ever been used in that position in the 18months he's been here, As I mentioned in another thread the other day, to be honest though I won't be jumping up and down about his performance following a game against a poor preston team, if he can impress in 5/6 games then fair enough. Even Nicky Hunt had one good game, so lets not all get carried away, personally Clarky would still be up the top of the list of players to bin in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 You said in one of your post's that Millen was a bright individual?, umm perhaps not that bright actually, Jesus even you spotted that one, perhaps he missed that module on his much heralded coaching courses?. Umm...you obviously missed the 'tongue in cheek' remark from Millen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon atyeo is my dad Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Clearly a Tongue n cheek comment, they really will do anything to knock him ! Think some on here could do with a bit of tongue up there arseholes, the old electric shock treatment , take that gloomy look off there faces ! We win 4-0 and still .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 yep, which appeared to suggested he meant it jokingly, which doesn't come across in the evening post Funny that people hate the evening post, however if there is a comment that they can use to attack millen with, then they will jump on it, regardless of it's context. Personally, find it amazing that's he's rarely ever been used in that position in the 18months he's been here, As I mentioned in another thread the other day, to be honest though I won't be jumping up and down about his performance following a game against a poor preston team, if he can impress in 5/6 games then fair enough. Even Nicky Hunt had one good game, so lets not all get carried away, personally Clarky would still be up the top of the list of players to bin in the summer. damn! a post of yours im in agreement with......how dull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Umm...you obviously missed the 'tongue in cheek' remark from Millen. "only just realised Keith?" is tongue in cheek too is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Umm...you obviously missed the 'tongue in cheek' remark from Millen. i'm sure it was tongue in cheek, but sadly it dosen't actually answer the question why has it taken such a 'bright' coach so long (bearing in mind Millen has been coaching and watching him during all of his time at BCFC and knew about where he played at his former club) to actually play him in a position that most people on here (even you) said he could do a 'job' in?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Clarkson appears to me, to be one of those naturally gifted footballers, who has an eye for goal, and a good finisher, but is naturally not athletic. I think he will struggle at this level. We've had a few in our time...Trundle, Noble, Docherty. I hope Pitmann proves me wrong too, his finishing has been good, and his positioning good, but he has one of the least athletic bodies i've ever seen. Similar to Doc's...short legs, and hips that when running look like a bag of ferrets trying to fight out of an oversized nappy. That may sound rude, but you have to be an extremely good footballer, at this level, to overcome natural innabilities in physic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Elliott isn't a defensive midfielder. A defensive midfielder sits in front of the back four and orchestrates the play - Leon Britton did it for Swansea against us last week. Correct. Old ideas about defined roles are being phased out I think- look at Busquets and Senna before him, or Alonso, Pirlo and so on. Technically they are 'defensive midfielders' but they can do a lot more. Closer to home, I guess Carrick would be an English version and perhaps Wilshere. This is all part of a wider theme- the death of the specialist and the rise of the multi-functioned player and so on. As for Clarkson, the hole would be the best place for him I think, lacks pace or physicality but decent footballing brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRed Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Clarkson appears to me, to be one of those naturally gifted footballers, who has an eye for goal, and a good finisher, but is naturally not athletic. I think he will struggle at this level. We've had a few in our time...Trundle, Noble, Docherty. I hope Pitmann proves me wrong too, his finishing has been good, and his positioning good, but he has one of the least athletic bodies i've ever seen. Similar to Doc's...short legs, and hips that when running look like a bag of ferrets trying to fight out of an oversized nappy. That may sound rude, but you have to be an extremely good footballer, at this level, to overcome natural innabilities in physic. The Oldies amongst us will remember a Hungary team with a little rotund player called Puskas, They took England apart, and changed the way football was played. Its not a requirement to be built like a racing snake to be a good footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The Oldies amongst us will remember a Hungary team with a little rotund player called Puskas, They took England apart, and changed the way football was played. Its not a requirement to be built like a racing snake to be a good footballer or Ernie Hunt or even Charlie Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 yep, which appeared to suggested he meant it jokingly, which doesn't come across in the evening post Funny that people hate the evening post, however if there is a comment that they can use to attack millen with, then they will jump on it, regardless of it's context. Personally, find it amazing that's he's rarely ever been used in that position in the 18months he's been here, As I mentioned in another thread the other day, to be honest though I won't be jumping up and down about his performance following a game against a poor preston team, if he can impress in 5/6 games then fair enough. Even Nicky Hunt had one good game, so lets not all get carried away, personally Clarky would still be up the top of the list of players to bin in the summer. So he said it jokingly...... what was his excuse for putting marvin elliott behind the front man? that was no joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The Oldies amongst us will remember a Hungary team with a little rotund player called Puskas, They took England apart, and changed the way football was played. Its not a requirement to be built like a racing snake to be a good footballer I agree, but you have to be extremely talented to overcome those shortcomings. Unfortunately, football especially in this country has become more about speed, fitness and endurance. Look at Matt Le Tissier as an example, another talented footballer, who lacked natural fitness, but excelled through his skill, and positioning. Another was Chris Waddle. Would either make it in todays modern game? I personally don't think they would, especially in the Premier League. Like yourself though, i would rather watch the Sublime skills of someone like Puskas, over someone who can sprint fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 <br />"e];only just realised Keith?" is tongue in cheek too is it? Of course it is. You should't need to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Of course it is. You should't need to ask. we all believe you what with you having such a track record for honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 So he said it jokingly...... what was his excuse for putting marvin elliott behind the front man? that was no joke. god knows, probably the same reason as Gary sticking Marv on the left wing last season and at right back at Wembley, because of his "all action style" they think he's worth a go anywhere when needs must......personally think only place for Marv is in the middle of midfield. All I know is the context that Millen was speaking on the radio was in a joking nature. Personally speaking, it's only one game he's played in the role (didn't attend but didn't he only actually play 45mins in that role), until he's played a few games, in the position, I won't be getting excited after all.....it's clarkson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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