dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Too true. They were talking about it on morning TV and everyone was in hysterics, they thought it was sooo funny, makes you ill! One law for the rich eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Check out some of the pictures in this link. Seems like anything goes if you have a few bob http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004821/Royal-Ascot-2011-Drunken-brawlers-fighting-blonde-twenties.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SUMMAT OUTTA NOWT Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Totally agree. One rule for one One for another. A few years ago A local Police sargents son started a fight at a function with three of his mates all picking on a single lad who happened to be going out with a girl he fancied. My brother and I stepped in to pull the single lad away and no punches or bad behaviour ensued. End of matter NO. Next day we were got out of bed marched to the nearest nick and charged with causing a disturbance or breach of the peace whatever, Charged by yes you guessed the instagators father. Thankfully unknown to them we were there with a gang of 20 people who all told a different police officer the truth after we complained. This sargent was moved on and not seen again but it does highlight the point and make you wonder how many people are innocently carrying records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. Bout right Farms. Does yer head in and hopefully you will have the NOT guilty verdict as well mucker. Have you spoken to a brief? What does he/her think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Bout right Farms. Does yer head in and hopefully you will have the NOT guilty verdict as well mucker. Have you spoken to a brief? What does he/her think? Arn, thanks to people on here, who put me onto the FFS, I have a very good brief, who thinks I have a very strong case, so fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 A toff brawl, Red Goblin will love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redjar Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. good luck friday mucker hope they see sence and throw it out . I know how stressed you have been and evenmore worried about getting banned becouse of your son who will be gutted if you cant go. good luck and will see you for a beer to celebrate on friday :drunk2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Never understood the interest in watching horses run around a field for entertainment. I went to Cheltenham a few years back as part of a corporate package. I've never been so bored in my entire life. +1 A few years back I decided to give it a go for a day at Cheltenham. For me horse racing is up there with watching paint dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderJar Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. The BBC seems to think that 22 people were arrested .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13824286 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 good luck friday mucker hope they see sence and throw it out . I know how stressed you have been and evenmore worried about getting banned becouse of your son who will be gutted if you cant go. good luck and will see you for a beer to celebrate on friday :drunk2: Cheers mate, and hope your right, will only have one beer, wouldn't want our local ob to think I was drunk entering a pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 These people are not Toffs... they are a bunch of Chavs. Have you been to Ascot lately? There are more 'lads' and 'bints' going than ever before. It's full of 'em...especially on Ladies day. We are talking about White Van man types here...with a few quid in their pocket. They get drunk and shag what's about...it's notorious. Chester races is even worse. It's more like a football crowd in the enclosure than anything remotely connected to Toffs. These people are definately not Toffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Was just about to post the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CiderPunk Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 This story is reminiscent of The Bath races last week where a group of Swansea lads called it on with a larger group of Bristol lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Tch, whats the matter with these 'toff'/chav'-types.... cant they work cancorders etc?.. probably dont understand the instructions... was really looking forward to some movie action of this on youtube - but nothings been posted.. (or has it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 +1 A few years back I decided to give it a go for a day at Cheltenham. For me horse racing is up there with watching paint dry. +2 Darts is more exciting than any "sport" involving horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Arn, thanks to people on here, who put me onto the FFS, I have a very good brief, who thinks I have a very strong case, so fingers crossed. Good luck on behalf of all of us, let's hope "justice" prevails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 +2 Darts is more exciting than any "sport" involving horses. +3 Never been a fan , love the darts though. Saw Steve Beaton in Tenerife last week ! Gasbuster , I bet you're chuffed with your man Rory McIlroy going so well in the US Open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 +2 Darts is more exciting than any "sport" involving horses. You mean, In YOUR humble opinion, In mine I can't think of anything more tedious than watching lard-arse beer swillers chucking darts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 These people are not Toffs... they are a bunch of Chavs. Have you been to Ascot lately? There are more 'lads' and 'bints' going than ever before. It's full of 'em...especially on Ladies day. We are talking about White Van man types here...with a few quid in their pocket. They get drunk and shag what's about...it's notorious. Chester races is even worse. It's more like a football crowd in the enclosure than anything remotely connected to Toffs. These people are definately not Toffs... spot on Spudski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 At football its do you know these people on crimestoppers and for weapons and punches its violent disorder with year in prison lose your job and five year ban. at the racing its one law for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Good luck on behalf of all of us, let's hope "justice" prevails. Cheers mate, it means alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 At football its do you know these people on crimestoppers and for weapons and punches its violent disorder with year in prison lose your job and five year ban. at the racing its one law for them. This is exactly what I'm on about, anything remotely connected to football fans, we are the scum of the earth, but anything else, as said earlier, they were laughing about it on television, thinking it was hilarious. It really p****s me off. I'm glad that we finally have somebody sticking up for football supporters, in the FSF, absolute top class, and hopefully thanks to them, I will be watching City this coming season with my family. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonboy Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 This is exactly what I'm on about, anything remotely connected to football fans, we are the scum of the earth, but anything else, as said earlier, they were laughing about it on television, thinking it was hilarious. It really p****s me off. I'm glad that we finally have somebody sticking up for football supporters, in the FSF, absolute top class, and hopefully thanks to them, I will be watching City this coming season with my family. COYR. Did you manage to renew mucker? Or did you see it as pointless until the court case was resolved(hopefully in your favour). Very best of luck for next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 You mean, In YOUR humble opinion, In mine I can't think of anything more tedious than watching lard-arse beer swillers chucking darts ! Yes, in MY humble opinion, darts is infinitely more interesting than watching a load of stuck up hoorays (or chavs for that matter) running around on four legged animals !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddlesdown red Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddlesdown red Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Not football related in a way, but the point I want to put over, There is a mass brawl at Ascot in front of the Queen and no-one has been arrested, and yet if this was at a football match, there would have been wanted pictures in all the papers, and all arrested for Violence disorder, but because this was toffs and the sport of Kings, no-one is going to be arrested. Also this was in front of the Queen, it makes me sick, that this is all over the papers and nothing is going to happen. I was arrested for so-say being drunk entering a football stadium, which I have been to court once already and have to go back on Friday,( Millwall) and this was not even drunk and disorderly, just so say drunk, because a copper thought I was, and they want to ban me from football. One lad went last week on the same charge, and was found NOT guilty in a matter of minutes. Yet there is a mass brawl at Ascot and not one person is going to be arrested, it stinks. I remember your original post and although at the time I felt sorry for you, you have to remeber many a copper has no interest in football what so ever and If they can find someone to arrest in order to take them down to the station then it gets them out if it for a while. Drunkeness is quite subjective ie speech slurred unsteady on feet in the copper's opinion they were drunk you will not get the option of a blood test like you do with drink driving. In my time going to games I have seen many being refused entry or seen loads gaining entry who are quite drunk. From what you are saying you may have been very un lucky but why do so many people travel all over the country and have a few beers before the match and run the lottery of getting in or in your unfortunate case being arrested. The fact that you are contesting this should hopefully carry some sway but if you are honest I am sure if you are successful with your court case I have no doubt it will affect what you do before games in the future. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Did you manage to renew mucker? Or did you see it as pointless until the court case was resolved(hopefully in your favour). Very best of luck for next week. Yes I have ne-newed, although I am still banned by the club, until I can prove I am innocent, this is after the court dropped all bail condtions. :angry: :grr: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 A toff brawl, Red Goblin will love this. I and others have been writing about Toffs brawling for many years. The Police turn a blind eye to it. I've also been writing for years that our criminal justice system is classed based and heavily weighted against football supporters. Am I right or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StGeorge Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 These people are not Toffs... they are a bunch of Chavs. Too right, they're ***** in suits.. Just because you wear a suit and go to ascot doesn't make you a toff...Same as just because you wear a football shirt and go to Ashton Gate doesn't make you working class...... well I hope it doesn't StG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 These people are not Toffs... they are a bunch of Chavs. Have you been to Ascot lately? There are more 'lads' and 'bints' going than ever before. It's full of 'em...especially on Ladies day. We are talking about White Van man types here...with a few quid in their pocket. They get drunk and shag what's about...it's notorious. Chester races is even worse. It's more like a football crowd in the enclosure than anything remotely connected to Toffs. These people are definately not Toffs... I'm in the pub trade. I have to deal with chavs kicking off every Saturday night. The Queen had to witness it once. She gets paid more than me. Sod her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 It happens all the time in Cardiff after rugby matches and it's let go as it all "high jinks". A Cardiff fan has an altercation or raises his voice too much on the same day as a home match even if it's 3 miles away and he gets a 3 year ban!!!! for football rated violence...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I'm in the pub trade. I have to deal with chavs kicking off every Saturday night. The Queen had to witness it once. She gets paid more than me. Sod her. I don't really understand your point...when quoting me. Who mentioned the Queen? I really don't understand so many people feeling so hard done by. Crowd trouble at other sports is very rare. At Football it's a common occurance. The Police target places where trouble occurs most commonly. i.e Football Grounds and outside pubs and clubs in City centres at closing time. You only had to read the thread on here regarding the trouble we had with Leeds fans in parts of our Stadium, to understand the mindset of 'most' football fans. Apparantly violence is justified in some instances. When it suits them. Can't stand whinging Football fans...get over it. Shit happens because their are a lot of mindless idiots who follow Football. If people don't like it...stop going...simples. But most are Lemmings and do what they are told by the Clubs. They believe the Mushroom fodder and pay through the nose. Idiots imho...they get what they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 This is exactly what I'm on about, anything remotely connected to football fans, we are the scum of the earth, but anything else, as said earlier, they were laughing about it on television, thinking it was hilarious. It really p****s me off. I'm glad that we finally have somebody sticking up for football supporters, in the FSF, absolute top class, and hopefully thanks to them, I will be watching City this coming season with my family. COYR. I'm surprised they haven't used the football violence angle that usually gets attached to other sporting events - you know the story So and So and So and So from rival football hooligan gangs started a fight while watching bowls, isn't football a sport watched by scum, bowls (or any other sport) on the other hand couldn't be sweeter, it's all those horrible football fans that cause problems at the bowls. I have always wondered when someone that watches more than one sport stops being a watcher of one sport and starts being a watcher of another sport - it appears if you watch football then you are always a football watcher even if you are not doing anything remotely related to football and then if there is any trouble you are a football troublemaker not just a troublemaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't really understand your point...when quoting me. Who mentioned the Queen? I really don't understand so many people feeling so hard done by. Crowd trouble at other sports is very rare. At Football it's a common occurance. The Police target places where trouble occurs most commonly. i.e Football Grounds and outside pubs and clubs in City centres at closing time. You only had to read the thread on here regarding the trouble we had with Leeds fans in parts of our Stadium, to understand the mindset of 'most' football fans. Apparantly violence is justified in some instances. When it suits them. Can't stand whinging Football fans...get over it. Shit happens because their are a lot of mindless idiots who follow Football. If people don't like it...stop going...simples. But most are Lemmings and do what they are told by the Clubs. They believe the Mushroom fodder and pay through the nose. Idiots imho...they get what they deserve. So you back football fans being treated worse than the rest of the society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 People deserve to be treated according to how they behave. I'm afraid football fans imho don't help themselves. Plenty of Anti Social behaviour goes on at Football grounds that wouldn't be tolerated in the Street. Fans say, 'it's a football ground'...'it's how it is'...'it's to be expected, as it's always been like this'...yet the same one's complain when they feel mistreated by Clubs and the Police. They want they're cake and eat it. They complain they are being mistreated...yet still turn up to watch games, or travel to Bubble games in Convoy. It's simple... Stop going. The more people who go, the more the Clubs and Police will just carry on running football the way it is. But i'm afraid a lot of fans are just lemmings...they put up with it, but moan, but don't talk with their feet. Clubs and the Police know this...so it won't change. It really doesn't bother me. If people want to get drunk, sing abuse, swear and be aggressive at a football ground, then so be it...but don't complain if the Police come down on you hard. If you behaved in the street in this manner as a citizen then you would be dealt with accordingly. But some seem to think this is normal behaviour at a Football match...for many it is. If they behave this way, then they should be dealt with accordingly. This is not about Toffs and others being treated differently to Football fans. Football fans get treated the way they do, because many are mindless morons with no social skills, act with a pack mentality, and have a history of causing trouble...Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 People deserve to be treated according to how they behave. I'm afraid football fans imho don't help themselves. Plenty of Anti Social behaviour goes on at Football grounds that wouldn't be tolerated in the Street. Fans say, 'it's a football ground'...'it's how it is'...'it's to be expected, as it's always been like this'...yet the same one's complain when they feel mistreated by Clubs and the Police. They want they're cake and eat it. They complain they are being mistreated...yet still turn up to watch games, or travel to Bubble games in Convoy. It's simple... Stop going. The more people who go, the more the Clubs and Police will just carry on running football the way it is. But i'm afraid a lot of fans are just lemmings...they put up with it, but moan, but don't talk with their feet. Clubs and the Police know this...so it won't change. It really doesn't bother me. If people want to get drunk, sing abuse, swear and be aggressive at a football ground, then so be it...but don't complain if the Police come down on you hard. If you behaved in the street in this manner as a citizen then you would be dealt with accordingly. But some seem to think this is normal behaviour at a Football match...for many it is. If they behave this way, then they should be dealt with accordingly. This is not about Toffs and others being treated differently to Football fans. Football fans get treated the way they do, because many are mindless morons with no social skills, act with a pack mentality, and have a history of causing trouble...Simple as that. So people fighting with chair legs and bottles at ascot are not comitting a crime because they are racegoers but at football they would be? it is about toffs because it wouldnt be allowed at football and they would be hunted down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 So people fighting with chair legs and bottles at ascot are not comitting a crime because they are racegoers but at football they would be? it is about toffs because it wouldnt be allowed at football and they would be hunted down. Don't be daft mate.... 50 people were arressted at Ascot. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13830277 Not many 'Toffs' go to the race's...just because they are wearing Suits doesn't make them a Toff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Don't be daft mate.... 50 people were arressted at Ascot. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13830277 Not many 'Toffs' go to the race's...just because they are wearing Suits doesn't make them a Toff. http://m.ibtimes.com/ascot-ladies-day-brawl-fight-thugs-164604.html Police confirm no arrests made. cleart case of discrimination it would have been prison at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't really understand your point...when quoting me. Who mentioned the Queen? The OP said that there was a mass brawl in front of the Queen. You surmised that the perpetrators were 'chavs'. Hence my post and why I quoted you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 http://m.ibtimes.com/ascot-ladies-day-brawl-fight-thugs-164604.html Police confirm no arrests made. cleart case of discrimination it would have been prison at football. Fighting amongst mates it seems. Yet they still made 50 arrests for other misconducts. And why do they have to be 'Toffs' just because they are at the Races? I don't think it's a case of discrimination...I've seen plenty odf scuffles amongst the same supporters and no action taken. Horses for courses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The OP said that there was a mass brawl in front of the Queen. You surmised that the perpetrators were 'chavs'. Hence my post and why I quoted you. Ok...no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 It's not even other sporting events. I can go in town, have a right row each week and wouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny as I would if I gestured at away fans at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Fighting amongst mates it seems. Yet they still made 50 arrests for other misconducts. And why do they have to be 'Toffs' just because they are at the Races? I don't think it's a case of discrimination...I've seen plenty odf scuffles amongst the same supporters and no action taken. Horses for courses I have never seen chairs and bottles of champagne or any other bottle clearly being used as weapons in a fight in ashton gate and no arrests made in twenty years. clear case of one law for the toffs at ascot any another for football fans. anybody who has been around football for any time knows football fans are discriminated against and have been for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I have never seen chairs and bottles of champagne or any other bottle clearly being used as weapons in a fight in ashton gate and no arrests made in twenty years. clear case of one law for the toffs at ascot any another for football fans. anybody who has been around football for any time knows football fans are discriminated against and have been for a very long time. Can i ask you whether you have ever been to Ascot...or any other race course come to that? These people are not 'Toff's'. The enclosure at Ascot is full of ordinary working class people. The only 'Toffs' at a racecourse are generally race horse owners and certain corperate hospitality. If the above incident was a common occurance at the races, then more action would be taken. Unrest at Football is a common occurance...No wonder the Police and Stewards have Zero tolerance towards Football fans. Who'd want their job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Never understood the interest in watching horses donkeys run around a field for entertainment. You have got to question the sanity of gash'eads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Can i ask you whether you have ever been to Ascot...or any other race course come to that? These people are not 'Toff's'. The enclosure at Ascot is full of ordinary working class people. The only 'Toffs' at a racecourse are generally race horse owners and certain corperate hospitality. If the above incident was a common occurance at the races, then more action would be taken. Unrest at Football is a common occurance...No wonder the Police and Stewards have Zero tolerance towards Football fans. Who'd want their job? Been to aintree bath stratford and ordinary working class dont drink champagne and wear suits normally so as far as i can see they are toffs which is why they were not arrested. people get arrested for throwing programmes on the pitch at ashton gate while at the toff races you can brawl with bottles and chair legs and not get nicked. only in your world can you not see why and even try to justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Been to aintree bath stratford and ordinary working class dont drink champagne and wear suits normally so as far as i can see they are toffs which is why they were not arrested. people get arrested for throwing programmes on the pitch at ashton gate while at the toff races you can brawl with bottles and chair legs and not get nicked. only in your world can you not see why and even try to justify it. Classic... So in your World anyone who wears a Suit or drinks Champagne is classed a Toff? You are more likely to see some 'White Van man' types...dressing up for such an occassion, flashing the cash and trying to impress. Toffs don't fight in public. They want you to hit them, so they can sue your ass off...far more clever. Go into any Club or bar in Bristol on a weekend, and you'll see 'these types' trying to be flash...buying Champagne, Cocktails etc, to try and impress the birds. Trouble is...you can't buy class, and they end up showing themselves up...Just like these idiots did at Ascot. If you want to see Toffs...go on the Hunt, Showjumping and Dressage, or to Beaufort Polo... Very few Toffs can be found in the enclosure at Ascot. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate... Toodle pip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Thing is there are hardly any police at Ashtoff, but plenty on hand at footy. Had the Police been there I'm sure arrests would have been made. I don't think the Police are bright enough to distinguish rich from poor generally. I just don't buy that at Bobboy level. Some people can't handle their booze, Toffs or Gypo's the result is the same. Its a bit of a non story really, but great for the tabloids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Considering the noise police make about alcohol fuelled violence and anti social behaviour its ironic the police turn a blind eye to toff aggro at a major public sporting event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Thing is there are hardly any police at Ashtoff, but plenty on hand at footy. 'Ashtoff' Toffing Hell, it's the leader of the Toffs himself..........did anyone spot him in the brawl at Ashtoff?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderJar Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 http://m.ibtimes.com...ugs-164604.html Police confirm no arrests made. cleart case of discrimination it would have been prison at football. I see your report and raise you this for said Saturday..... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179438 That said, this makes it seem like just another day at the races...... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179535 And compare it to how Avon & Somerset's finest reported trouble against Millwall ...... http://www.jessavis.co.uk/2010/08/6-arrested-in-violence-surrounding-bristol-citys-match-against-millwall/ It seems the polices approach is similar in both events and the rate of arrest similar too with 52 out of 200,000 compared to 6 out of 20,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I see your report and raise you this for said Saturday..... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179438 That said, this makes it seem like just another day at the races...... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179535 And compare it to how Avon & Somerset's finest reported trouble against Millwall ...... http://www.jessavis....ainst-millwall/ It seems the polices approach is similar in both events and the rate of arrest similar too with 52 out of 200,000 compared to 6 out of 20,000. So one of the arrests after the Millwall game was for nicking a motor vehicle? WTF? What's that got to do with football? Surely, firms don't go round nicking cars now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I see your report and raise you this for said Saturday..... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179438 That said, this makes it seem like just another day at the races...... http://www.thamesval...m.htm?id=179535 And compare it to how Avon & Somerset's finest reported trouble against Millwall ...... http://www.jessavis.co.uk/2010/08/6-arrested-in-violence-surrounding-bristol-citys-match-against-millwall/ It seems the polices approach is similar in both events and the rate of arrest similar too with 52 out of 200,000 compared to 6 out of 20,000. fact is the ob have turned a blind eye to toff fighting at ascot with weapons while at city the police spent months looking for people who threw the odd punch v leeds. one law for toffs another for football fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonboy Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Bump. How did you get on mucker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 fact is the ob have turned a blind eye to toff fighting at ascot with weapons while at city the police spent months looking for people who threw the odd punch v leeds. one law for toffs another for football fans. Toffs??!! Are you winding us up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I don't really understand your point...when quoting me. Who mentioned the Queen? I really don't understand so many people feeling so hard done by. Crowd trouble at other sports is very rare. At Football it's a common occurance. The Police target places where trouble occurs most commonly. i.e Football Grounds and outside pubs and clubs in City centres at closing time. You only had to read the thread on here regarding the trouble we had with Leeds fans in parts of our Stadium, to understand the mindset of 'most' football fans. Apparantly violence is justified in some instances. When it suits them. Can't stand whinging Football fans...get over it. Shit happens because their are a lot of mindless idiots who follow Football. If people don't like it...stop going...simples. But most are Lemmings and do what they are told by the Clubs. They believe the Mushroom fodder and pay through the nose. Idiots imho...they get what they deserve. What an absurd post. So football fans that travel to away games and are subjected to hostile treatment by police because their loyal to their Clubs are lemmings and idiots? Ignorant, ignorant c ** t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 What an absurd post. So football fans that travel to away games and are subjected to hostile treatment by police because their loyal to their Clubs are lemmings and idiots? Ignorant, ignorant c ** t. Why is it absurd? If people dont like it its true they should vote with there feet and not go. The plod and clubs know fans will go come what may so they carry on and nothing will change. In regards to Ascot again i have to agree with Spudski. You hear this argument time and time again by football fans ''why are we treated so different'' etc etc etc. We all know what football in this country was like in the 70's and 80's when the plod had no control but unfortunately its pay back time in the Police's eyes. These days fans are treated badly as a direct result of goings on 20 or 30 years ago. Do i agree with how we are treated these days? Of course not but thats the way it is, the Police cannot and will not let things get back to what they were like back in the good old days when fans used to run riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Toffs??!! Are you winding us up! no. ob have turned a blind eye to toff fighting at ascot with weapons while at city the police spend months looking for people who threw the odd punch v leeds. one law for toffs another for football fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 What an absurd post. So football fans that travel to away games and are subjected to hostile treatment by police because their loyal to their Clubs are lemmings and idiots? Ignorant, ignorant c ** t. Thanks for that mate...what a nice response. No wonder the police are hostile towards 'fans' of football, if that is the type of person they have to generally deal with. Ignorant...Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular. Somehow i don't think i lack knowledge when it comes to Football fans and their behavior. I've followed BCFC all over the Country and also Lazio throughout Italy. I've been to two World Cups and watched football throughout Europe and Argentina and Brazil. I've gone to watch Golf, Tennis, Horse Racing, Cricket, Rugby, Polo, Speedway, F1 and numerous other sports on a regular basis, and not once have i been treated like i have been, when i've gone to watch Football. The difference being, that many Football fans are socially inept and don't know how to behave properly, and think it's exceptable to behave however they like, regardless of who it offends or hurts. That's why the Police throughout the World target Football 'fans'. BTW...you've got it easy here. Policing in Europe at Football grounds is hostile. The Police in Italy for example, wear face masks and no identifying numbers or marks. So they cannot be identified when carrying out needless beatings on peaceful bystanders. So before you go calling people ignorant ***** that you don't know... I suggest you wind your neck in, and actually get out of your bubble you call a life... and actually live up to your forum name and actually get 'Well Read'...or get a life outside of Bristol. Forum Muppet...what a ******* loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks for that mate...what a nice response. No wonder the police are hostile towards 'fans' of football, if that is the type of person they have to generally deal with. Ignorant...Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular. Somehow i don't think i lack knowledge when it comes to Football fans and their behavior. I've followed BCFC all over the Country and also Lazio throughout Italy. I've been to two World Cups and watched football throughout Europe and Argentina and Brazil. I've gone to watch Golf, Tennis, Horse Racing, Cricket, Rugby, Polo, Speedway, F1 and numerous other sports on a regular basis, and not once have i been treated like i have been, when i've gone to watch Football. The difference being, that many Football fans are socially inept and don't know how to behave properly, and think it's exceptable to behave however they like, regardless of who it offends or hurts. That's why the Police throughout the World target Football 'fans'. BTW...you've got it easy here. Policing in Europe at Football grounds is hostile. The Police in Italy for example, wear face masks and no identifying numbers or marks. So they cannot be identified when carrying out needless beatings on peaceful bystanders. So before you go calling people ignorant ***** that you don't know... I suggest you wind your neck in, and actually get out of your bubble you call a life... and actually live up to your forum name and actually get 'Well Read'...or get a life outside of Bristol. Forum Muppet...what a ******* loser. Well said Spudski. In fact i would say this is probably the best post i have read on this forum in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Ignorant...Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular. BTW...you've got it easy here. Policing in Europe at Football grounds is hostile. The Police in Italy for example, wear face masks and no identifying numbers or marks. So they cannot be identified when carrying out needless beatings on peaceful bystanders. Having travelled all round Europe watching football it has always struck me how lax policing is abroad. European supports have freedoms football fans in this Country waved goodbye to many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 European supports have freedoms football fans in this Country waved goodbye to many years ago. Indeed, football supporters in continental European countries have the freedom to sing and chant on football terracing. Was it about 15 years ago when we lost our terracing at Ashton Gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Indeed, football supporters in continental European countries have the freedom to sing and chant on football terracing. Was it about 15 years ago when we lost our terracing at Ashton Gate? About that. I think if i remember rightly St Pauli in Germany had terracing incorporated into their new stadium design, wouldn't get that here. When terracing went in the uk was the day that supporting Bristol City really died for me. Yes I watch them, but the excitement left me when the terracing went. yes we have had a couple of games since where the atmosphere was good such as Hartlepool in the Play off semi, but the days when the noise from the eastend when on form was intense has long gone, even the terracing that was at the front of the williams puts the current eastend to shame. Sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Indeed, football supporters in continental European countries have the freedom to sing and chant on football terracing. Was it about 15 years ago when we lost our terracing at Ashton Gate? Can't even remember now when the terracing went, seems like a different era. Whole football culture has been erased by the FA, police and health and safety parasites. Pyrotechnics at Glastonbury in the crowd v bans for bangers at Peterboro. More double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Can't even remember now when the terracing went, seems like a different era. Whole football culture has been erased by the FA, police and health and safety parasites. Pyrotechnics at Glastonbury in the crowd v bans for bangers at Peterboro. More double standards. but flip it and the behaviour of football fans has generally bought the current state of stadiums on themselves. If there was no violence they we would be no need to police it. As much as I am loathed to say it, all of the shite we have to put up with now in terms of poor attendances, poor atmosphere and all seated stadia can be laid squarely at the door of the trouble making fan. People can bleat on about police, and the law, but if there was no trouble in the first place, if fans didn't think about beating people up just because of some chants, then there would be no need to police football fans as they do now. We bought it upon ourselves, and the sooner we realise that rather than blaming police government and the law the better. Shame is most people never take responsibility for therr actions. the amount of times I have have seen police blamed for heavy handed action on here is unbelievable. most of the time they are protecting the general public from knuckle dragging football thugs. Yes there are bad cops who go out of thier way to harrass football fans, but a great majority of the time, police are reacting to thugs, in interest of the general public. Remember every action provokes a reaction....nad reactions lead to policies.... and that is where we find ourselves now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 but flip it and the behaviour of football fans has generally bought the current state of stadiums on themselves. If there was no violence they we would be no need to police it. As much as I am loathed to say it, all of the shite we have to put up with now in terms of poor attendances, poor atmosphere and all seated stadia can be laid squarely at the door of the trouble making fan. People can bleat on about police, and the law, but if there was no trouble in the first place, if fans didn't think about beating people up just because of some chants, then there would be no need to police football fans as they do now. We bought it upon ourselves, and the sooner we realise that rather than blaming police government and the law the better. Shame is most people never take responsibility for therr actions. the amount of times I have have seen police blamed for heavy handed action on here is unbelievable. most of the time they are protecting the general public from knuckle dragging football thugs. Yes there are bad cops who go out of thier way to harrass football fans, but a great majority of the time, police are reacting to thugs, in interest of the general public. Remember every action provokes a reaction....nad reactions lead to policies.... and that is where we find ourselves now Major change to football stadia in England was brought about by the Taylor report whoich highlighted the poor policing at football. Health and safety culture is a disease and many of the rules are idiotic e.g flame retardent flags in non smoking stadiums. Police will always find something to police at football in this country. No excuses for the uneven treatment as highlighted in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Major change to football stadia in England was brought about by the Taylor report whoich highlighted the poor policing at football. Health and safety culture is a disease and many of the rules are idiotic e.g flame retardent flags in non smoking stadiums. Police will always find something to police at football in this country. No excuses for the uneven treatment as highlighted in the first post. i go back to every action there is a reaction. If fans hadn't rushed the gates at hillsborough, many without tickets, then the choices made by the police may well have been different. who knows? they are human after all. but their hand was forced to open the gates, or more could have been killed outside the stadium. Fans have to take some responsibility, but unfortunately fans always look to blame the police. yes sometimes they are wrong, other times they are right. at hillsborough blame was apportioned to the police, if there were no fans fighting and pushing at the gates trying to get into the game with no tickets would there have been a problem? If you want to apportion blame then you blame the fans the stadium manager for not organising entrance to the stadium adequately and the ref for not delaying the match... not the police for opening gates to try and stop people from being stampeded and crushed at the turn styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 i go back to every action there is a reaction. If fans hadn't rushed the gates at hillsborough, many without tickets, then the choices made by the police may well have been different. who knows? they are human after all. but their hand was forced to open the gates, or more could have been killed outside the stadium. Fans have to take some responsibility, but unfortunately fans always look to blame the police. yes sometimes they are wrong, other times they are right. at hillsborough blame was apportioned to the police, if there were no fans fighting and pushing at the gates trying to get into the game with no tickets would there have been a problem? If you want to apportion blame then you blame the fans the stadium manager for not organising entrance to the stadium adequately and the ref for not delaying the match... not the police for opening gates to try and stop people from being stampeded and crushed at the turn styles. Back to your point about fans bringing it on themselves, it was football violence that brought about the crush barriers placed at the front of stands in the first place. No crush barriers would have meant no Hillsborough disaster. So in a round about way the actions of hooligans actually caused the death of those 96 fans, nothing to do with the police or whatever other bollox storys you hear about that day. If the barriers were not there the fans would have just spilled out on to the pitch. But because of the weekly pitch invasions that happened back then the clubs were given no option but to erect these barriers. Personally i have said all along if people want to have a row and get themselves beat up and injured over a football match then fair play aslong as the average fan isn't caught up in it.I have friends that to this day are still involved in fooball violence. Its a way of life for them and for many. The truth is if the police did slowly start to relax things again it would descend back to the 70's and 80's. The hooligan eliminate is still very much there and the plod know this. Hence the reason the police and government have no time for us, you only have to look at how they completly ignore the safe standing campaign even though it makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Trouble at horse racing is probably a red herring if wishing to highlight the poor way in which football fans are treated. Lady's and gentlemen I givevyou exhibit b, the 6 nations, in particular Wales fans. Mass arrests? Banning orders? Escorts? Nah just "high spirited" rugger boys letting off some steam in the eyes of the authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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