dragonreds Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 whilst i think it,s time for a change at the top i,m a little dissapointed with the personal abuse being heaped on keith. this is a man who has served our club loyaly for many years. yes before anyone points out i know he,s been well paid for doing it but would just like to ask people to remember this before they post. i,m not a happy clapper by any stretch of the imagination and as i said i think he,s out of his depth but he does,nt deserve a lot of whats being said
BCFC Jordan Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I do believe it's time for Keith to go, just like I did with GJ. You are right though. Some of the abuse towards Keith on here is definitely unwarranted as he has always done his best for the club. It seems like Keith gets more abuse on here than Coppell did for leaving...
Superjack Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Despite having referred to him as a 'clueless muppet' (as Master Tansley would doubtless point out), I do actually agree with this. Kinder for all concerned if he is just put out of his misery.
Red Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 When i saw the title of this post, i thought "fair play keith, resigning! " Oh Well" perhaps later,
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 What personal abuse? 'Clueless' for a start. Aimed a man who is a fully qualified coach and the manager of our club coming from posters who could write what they know about football on the back of postage stamp.
Riaz Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 'Clueless' for a start. Aimed a man who is a fully qualified coach and the manager of our club coming from posters who could write what they know about football on the back of postage stamp. Sorry but that is not abuse. I'm judging him as a manager - not as a person or a coach. As for the postage stamp - speak for yourself
Simez Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I've got respect for the clueless mup Keith, I almost feel sorry for wanting a change, we all know how he was supposed to be one of the brightest coaches when he did his badges, yet I feel for whatever reason it's not working. I'm sure at work when we're all moaning about the game I might actually call him clueless, to be fair it comes with the job I'm afraid. I should think he's got more things to worry about than fans on a forum calling him clueless, Mullen etc.
Kid in the Riot Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 To be fair I've never known any City manager not to get their fair share of personal abuse. I don't think Millen has had it particularly bad. I recall one poster on here personally abusing Gary Johnson by calling him 'a Conference manager'.
Superjack Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 'Clueless' for a start. Aimed a man who is a fully qualified coach and the manager of our club coming from posters who could write what they know about football on the back of postage stamp. I refuse to bite.
Sir Colby-Tit Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 'Clueless' for a start. Aimed a man who is a fully qualified coach and the manager of our club coming from posters who could write what they know about football on the back of postage stamp. I'd hardly call that personal abuse, it's commenting on his perceived abilities as manager of Bristol City. If you're prepared to take a high profile job like he has, you gotta take the rough with the smooth.
'Orns Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I refuse to bite. Soooooo bloody tempting though, isn't it?
Tim S Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Keith is not a bad manager. He is not a bad coach. He is one of the nicest guys in football you will ever meet - which is probably as much his downfall as it is a positive feature about him. To put it in other terms.... when you were at school (many on this forum still are going by some of the posts) there was always a teacher that everyone liked. You always respected him and it was always nice going to his lessons. But sometimes a few in the class wouldnt be putting in the effort in their work. That teacher tried to get angry and tell them off. But becuase he was a "everyones mate" kind of a teacher it was hard to take a telling off from him seriously and gradually the naughtier kids would take advantage of his soft touch and just constantly think they could get away with crap in his class. In the end that teacher as much as he tried just couldnt get those naughty kids to behave or take his lessons seriously. One day nice guy teacher would be off ill, you would have a subsitute teacher - who would come in from outside of school. A teacher that nobody knows and is an unknown quantity. Rather than test his patience the kids instantly buckle down and get their work done. Order is restored to class. Moral of the story is that the teacher wasnt a bad teacher! His classes were fun and the kids looked forward to them. He had the kids on side, which is great. But sometimes you need to keep your class at arms length. The kids need to fear you as much as they respect you otherwise as much as they might like your class, when it comes to exam time - they might not get the right results if they havent been learning how they could have. The new teacher came in and instantly got the kids working hard and the work was getting done - the end of term exam saw the kids getting A* rather than D-
notsobigfatdave Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I dont think anyone is being disrespectful to Keith when saying he is Clueless..quite the opposite its constructive criticism because he obviously is...things are obviously not working and he patently hasnt got the answer.... Tactically Naive, patently no good at Motivating the talent we have available, obviously no eye for a decent player, semingly poor communicator......Thats Pretty Cluless in my book... Calling him a useless thick muppet would indeed be disrespectfull insulting and derisory but I havent read any posts of that ilke Ultimately Millen the Captain of the Ship and he has to go down with it because success or failure in Football is construed to the manager, WE all know that succes is down to Money, but Millen is the one who carries the can ultimately. He knows that Im sure.
David Brent Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Personal abuse, if it's actually occurred, is out of order. Not just us city fans who are fickle though, it's common at all levels when your team is not winning. Most people respect Keith as a bloke, not as a manager though, not yet. He has to earn it surely. My view is that Keith hasn't been loyal (or disloyal) at all, just that he's in a cushy job. Same with all backroom staff in my opinion. Walsh and Naylor loyal are they? No, I don't think so anyway. Right place right time I think. Sick of hearing all this 'loyal' crap. No loyalty at all, just a realisation of a safe job and poor CV. Edit: I actually think Millen should've gone with Tinnion. Or was he being loyal?
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I dont think anyone is being disrespectful to Keith when saying he is Clueless..quite the opposite its constructive criticism because he obviously is...things are obviously not working and he patently hasnt got the answer.... Tactically Naive, patently no good at Motivating the talent we have available, obviously no eye for a decent player, semingly poor communicator......Thats Pretty Cluless in my book... Calling him a useless thick muppet would indeed be disrespectfull insulting and derisory but I havent read any posts of that ilke Ultimately Millen the Captain of the Ship and he has to go down with it because success or failure in Football is construed to the manager, WE all know that succes is down to Money, but Millen is the one who carries the can ultimately. He knows that Im sure. My point was that who are we to call our manager 'clueless'. As far as I'm aware none of us are fully qualified football managers who have previous played at a professional level and worked under three managers as no 2. Its an insult in my book particularly as it comes from people who have no knowledge or experience of working within the professional game at any level. I wouldn't call any professional person 'clueless' unless I had the same knowledge and qualifications as them. Only then would I feel qualified to critise them.
Kid in the Riot Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Personal abuse, if it's actually occurred, is out of order. Probably best remove your avatar then
Riaz Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 My point was that who are we to call our manager 'clueless'. As far as I'm aware none of us are fully qualified football managers who have previous played at a professional level and worked under three managers as no 2. Its an insult in my book particularly as it comes from people who have no knowledge or experience of working within the professional game at any level. I wouldn't call any professional person 'clueless' unless I had the same knowledge and qualifications as them. Only then would I feel qualified to critise them. Surely calling Gary Johnson a conference manager is the same?
notsobigfatdave Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 My point was that who are we to call our manager 'clueless'. As far as I'm aware none of us are fully qualified football managers who have previous played at a professional level and worked under three managers as no 2. Its an insult in my book particularly as it comes from people who have no knowledge or experience of working within the professional game at any level. I wouldn't call any professional person 'clueless' unless I had the same knowledge and qualifications as them. Only then would I feel qualified to critise them. I am.... I hold both FA Coaching Badges and have actually played under 6 different Managers in the 70,s.......... Yes.....hes pretty Clueless by comparison...would do well to spend a couple of years in the Lower Leagues before progressing to the mantle of a Club Like City.... Personal abuse is all part of the learning process...Hes got a thick skin and is getting well paid... You should have heard what was said by both Manager and Players in the Changing room in some of the Games Ive played in let alone coming from the general public. kin useless, thick, wurzel muppet was a compliment.
Superjack Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Surely calling Gary Johnson a conference manager is the same? Thanks Riaz. I knew I wouldn't need to bite.
Andy082005 Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Surely calling Gary Johnson a conference manager is the same? No it's completely different. We all know this.....
Monkeh Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 No it's completely different. We all know this..... is that because it took 5 years to prove a point?
Andy082005 Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 is that because it took 5 years to prove a point? Yeah but he was right! That's all that matters. I remember when Wenger took over at Arsenal and my mate said it would all go wrong there in the end as his foreign policies wouldn't work. Turns out it looks like he was right to....
David Brent Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Probably best remove your avatar then No, it took me ages. The Chuckle Brothers are my heroes - it's the ultimate compliment. Is is really personal abuse though? Perhaps thats why some people get upset at Millen being 'criticised'.
Riaz Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I just think Robbo is trying to dismiss peoples views as abuse, is him clutching at straws.
Riaz Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Yeah but he was right! That's all that matters. I remember when Wenger took over at Arsenal and my mate said it would all go wrong there in the end as his foreign policies wouldn't work. Turns out it looks like he was right to.... Like I said in my signature - after we have won the championship, and we've missed out on the champions league by a point and it all falls apart - you'll see he is a failure and I was right all along
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Surely calling Gary Johnson a conference manager is the same? I can't deny that was an insult to him. He didn't like it it either...........
Riaz Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I can't deny that was an insult to him. He didn't like it it either........... So, you admit you are a hypocrite then?
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I am.... I hold both FA Coaching Badges and have actually played under 6 different Managers in the 70,s.......... Yes.....hes pretty Clueless by comparison...would do well to spend a couple of years in the Lower Leagues before progressing to the mantle of a Club Like City.... Personal abuse is all part of the learning process...Hes got a thick skin and is getting well paid... You should have heard what was said by both Manager and Players in the Changing room in some of the Games Ive played in let alone coming from the general public. kin useless, thick, wurzel muppet was a compliment. Have you ever managed a professional club?
Barrs Court Red Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Have you ever managed a professional club? Have you ever kissed a girl?
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 So, you admit you are a hypocrite then? One insult in 5 years doesn't make me a hypocrite. The rest of my complaints towards Johnson were constructive critism. I didn't ever call him 'clueless' for example.
chinapig Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 My point was that who are we to call our manager 'clueless'. As far as I'm aware none of us are fully qualified football managers who have previous played at a professional level and worked under three managers as no 2. Its an insult in my book particularly as it comes from people who have no knowledge or experience of working within the professional game at any level. I wouldn't call any professional person 'clueless' unless I had the same knowledge and qualifications as them. Only then would I feel qualified to critise them. Qualifications are one thing. Being able to apply knowledge is another. To pinch Elfmud's example of teachers, all may be equally qualified but there will be some who are still not good at the practice of teaching. On the evidence so far Keith seems to be one of the latter.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 whilst i think it,s time for a change at the top i,m a little dissapointed with the personal abuse being heaped on keith. this is a man who has served our club loyaly for many years. yes before anyone points out i know he,s been well paid for doing it but would just like to ask people to remember this before they post. i,m not a happy clapper by any stretch of the imagination and as i said i think he,s out of his depth but he does,nt deserve a lot of whats being said Oh, oh, oh the irony of this, firstly most of any abuse on the subject of Millen comes from the pro Millen lobby towards posters with a differing view to theirs, mainly because they are running out of excuses and the irony is if there actually is a little bit of abuse here and there towards Millen it is absolutely nowhere near the level of vile abuse that LJ has had especially since GJ left us and guess what most of it came from the pro Millens once more and why, because of who his father was. Whatever anybody on here thinks of LJ as a player (and yes i'm aware he polarises opinions) he to has also been loyal servant of this club and has also without any doubt is class act when to comes to not reacting to the abuse, never going public and not complaining every time last season Millen found an excuse to drop him and bring back Skuse. I can't talk for anybody else but my view on Millen is I do not think he will ever deliver consistent results, whatever squad he has at his disposal, I don't believe he is tactically good enough.
SC_Red Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 One insult in 5 years doesn't make me a hypocrite. The rest of my complaints towards Johnson were constructive critism. I didn't ever call him 'clueless' for example. you called him inept.
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 you called him inept. Probably. From Dictionary.com Inept - without skill or aptitude for a particular task or assignment;maladroit: Very appropriate description after 10 consecutive defeats.
SC_Red Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Probably. From Dictionary.com Inept - without skill or aptitude for a particular task or assignment;maladroit: Very appropriate description after 10 consecutive defeats. and after a promotion and a play off final? shame you couldnt see the bigger picture at the time really go on keep trying to explain your hypocrisy. Its hilarious.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Probably. From Dictionary.com Inept - without skill or aptitude for a particular task or assignment;maladroit: Very appropriate description after 10 consecutive defeats. or for somebody with 9 home defeats in a season on their record.
RedZepperin Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Here's a quote from a while ago made by a poster on this thread that, to my view, is rather insulting: ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ No doubt at all that Millen, being a clever individual spent his time during Johnson's reign of terror keeping his own council as well as keeping his head down. Bear in mind that Millen has/had youngish kids at school in Nailsea and he would not have wanted to disrupt his family life by leaving City. Thats one reason he decided not take on the manages job last season. One thing he certainly learnt from Johnson was how not to manage. Johnson was/is a nasty piece of work and now they are finding that out at Posh. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
fka dagest Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Robbored I like many others wish you would would just go and do one. I suspect as SC Red said the other day that you're just a wind-up merchant. It's either that or you really are one of the biggest prats to ever be let loose on a keyboard. If you are the former (I would hope), then surely the winding up must get a bit tedious after a while. Wouldn't you prefer to be respected for putting forth a valid opinion rather than any kudos you get from a 5 year wind up? It's not even funny any more.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Here's a quote from a while ago made by a poster on this thread that, to my view, is rather insulting: ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ No doubt at all that Millen, being a clever individual spent his time during Johnson's reign of terror keeping his own council as well as keeping his head down. Bear in mind that Millen has/had youngish kids at school in Nailsea and he would not have wanted to disrupt his family life by leaving City. Thats one reason he decided not take on the manages job last season. One thing he certainly learnt from Johnson was how not to manage. Johnson was/is a nasty piece of work and now they are finding that out at Posh. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Yep RR the CV writer. Stick to what you know, excuse writer.
Guest Fireman Sam Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 whilst i think it,s time for a change at the top i,m a little dissapointed with the personal abuse being heaped on keith. this is a man who has served our club loyaly for many years. yes before anyone points out i know he,s been well paid for doing it but would just like to ask people to remember this before they post. i,m not a happy clapper by any stretch of the imagination and as i said i think he,s out of his depth but he does,nt deserve a lot of whats being said Why wont CS sack him then This is the first time people have started shouting KM out He knows what he has achieved so he knows he deserves it
The Red Planet Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Don't forget that our poor start to last season was turned around by an excellent performance against Reading at home. Maybe that will happen again tomorrow. Personally I think all the "Millen Out" posts and chants are irrelevant. Unless we see a disastrous run of successive defeats over the coming games, I am convinced that CS and the board are not even going to consider his position until we get to Christmas. I think KM is a nice guy (some say that is part of the problem) and his heart is in the right place. I could criticise some of his tactics but taking off Maynard and Stead last Saturday to be replaced with Pitman and Taylor was inspired and totally changed the game. So, I say, let's get behind the team (and the manager) tomorrow (as we did against Reading last season) and get on with aiming for a mid-table finish again. I know that is not very ambitious, but (realistically) at this stage that is the best we can hope for. And if that does happen, do not be surprised to see Keef still there at the end of the season.
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Robbored I like many others wish you would would just go and do one. I suspect as SC Red said the other day that you're just a wind-up merchant. It's either that or you really are one of the biggest prats to ever be let loose on a keyboard. If you are the former (I would hope), then surely the winding up must get a bit tedious after a while. Wouldn't you prefer to be respected for putting forth a valid opinion rather than any kudos you get from a 5 year wind up? It's not even funny any more. I don't attack you or any other poster so why the personal attack? If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my posts. You can always use the ignore button
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Don't forget that our poor start to last season was turned around by an excellent performance against Reading at home. Maybe that will happen again tomorrow. Personally I think all the "Millen Out" posts and chants are irrelevant. Unless we see a disastrous run of successive defeats over the coming games, I am convinced that CS and the board are not even going to consider his position until we get to Christmas. I think KM is a nice guy (some say that is part of the problem) and his heart is in the right place. I could criticise some of his tactics but taking off Maynard and Stead last Saturday to be replaced with Pitman and Taylor was inspired and totally changed the game. So, I say, let's get behind the team (and the manager) tomorrow (as we did against Reading last season) and get on with aiming for a mid-table finish again. I know that is not very ambitious, but (realistically) at this stage that is the best we can hope for. And if that does happen, do not be surprised to see Keef still there at the end of the season. I admire your rallying call I really do, but christmas could well be too late. Have a good luck at the fixture list. The early season excuse was the teams we were playing are better than us, we are now struggling against teams who some people have confidently told us were worse than us and we haven't even played any of the top 4 yet. As for his inspirational substitutions the law of averages says he'll get it right eventually, a win tomorrow night will only paper over the cracks IMO.
Andy082005 Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I don't attack you or any other poster so why the personal attack? If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my posts. You can always use the ignore button Have you ever wondered why so many people call you names......yet no one ever gets banned?
The Red Planet Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I admire your rallying call I really do, but christmas could well be too late. Have a good luck at the fixture list. The early season excuse was the teams we were playing are better than us, we are now struggling against teams who some people have confidently told us were worse than us and we haven't even played any of the top 4 yet. As for his inspirational substitutions the law of averages says he'll get it right eventually, a win tomorrow night will only paper over the cracks IMO. EMB. I think it is likely that your analysis is correct, and you are right to describe my post as a "rallying call" for tomorrow. The way I see it, our club is "on hold" at the moment until this Village Green nonsense is sorted (eventually). So, I make no apology for just hoping we can stay in the NPC during that period. And actually it is likely that KM can do that job. However, when the way ahead is clear, I would not be surprised to see the board bring in a new manager. But IMO, the time for that is not now.
Robbored Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Have you ever wondered why so many people call you names......yet no one ever gets banned? If that's what you think then that's up to you..
milo1111 Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I think the fact Millen seems a decent sort has meant its taken this long for the majority to want him gone. Last year he had coppell and the injuries to buy him time but really it was a pretty average season with some real home shockers eg. Boro, Sheffield weds, norwich etc. We were led to beleive this time it would be better and it clearly ain't. Excuses such as not his team dont wash. he has signed 6 perms and loans in the last 12 months many of whom don't regularly start. Its all wearing a bit thin and nice bloke or not he has exhausted all the goodwill towards him and it will only get nastier unless he turns it round pronto. If the board think they can ride this out and scrape survival then they might be right but they are thick if they think they will shift many st's next season with milen producing the sort of fare we are currently seeing.
Guest belfastrobin Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Robbored I like many others wish you would would just go and do one. I suspect as SC Red said the other day that you're just a wind-up merchant. It's either that or you really are one of the biggest prats to ever be let loose on a keyboard. If you are the former (I would hope), then surely the winding up must get a bit tedious after a while. Wouldn't you prefer to be respected for putting forth a valid opinion rather than any kudos you get from a 5 year wind up? It's not even funny any more.
chinapig Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 EMB. I think it is likely that your analysis is correct, and you are right to describe my post as a "rallying call" for tomorrow. The way I see it, our club is "on hold" at the moment until this Village Green nonsense is sorted (eventually). So, I make no apology for just hoping we can stay in the NPC during that period. And actually it is likely that KM can do that job. However, when the way ahead is clear, I would not be surprised to see the board bring in a new manager. But IMO, the time for that is not now. Whether I agree or not you make the case very well. We are certainly on hold but it would help if the club was honest about it instead of pretending the aim is promotion when nobody believes any such thing. Hope you are right about Keith as I expect him to be around for a while yet.
Strictly Obi Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 Robbored I like many others wish you would would just go and do one. I suspect as SC Red said the other day that you're just a wind-up merchant. It's either that or you really are one of the biggest prats to ever be let loose on a keyboard. If you are the former (I would hope), then surely the winding up must get a bit tedious after a while. Wouldn't you prefer to be respected for putting forth a valid opinion rather than any kudos you get from a 5 year wind up? It's not even funny any more. Bravo! Bravo! Couldn't of put it better myself! :clapping: :clapping:
Andy082005 Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 If that's what you think then that's up to you.. Is it because even the MODS think your a certain part of a mans body?
Slave to the rhythm Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Is it because even the MODS think your a certain part of a mans body? So much for "attack the post, not the poster".
Snufflelufagus Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 To be fair I've never known any City manager not to get their fair share of personal abuse. I don't think Millen has had it particularly bad. My mates goes on about when Osman was player manager. In one game he scored a goal and all he got for doing so was a chorus of boos!
Slave to the rhythm Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 My mates goes on about when Osman was player manager. In one game he scored a goal and all he got for doing so was a chorus of boos! Yes, that's absolutely true. I was there when it happened. It was 1993, I think.
Andy082005 Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 So much for "attack the post, not the poster". Ah well....never mind eh. Can I call him a troll instead?
'Orns Posted September 27, 2011 Posted September 27, 2011 Yes, that's absolutely true. I was there when it happened. It was 1993, I think. Sounds about right, was a bizarre moment!
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