Luke_Ciderhead Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Im sure McInnes isnt stupid. He knew very well that he was taking over a bottom of the league team, and he surely would have known that we are bottom for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 What Swansea and to a lesser dregree, Blackpool did successfully was they won then retained possession of the ball. Our players give it away as though it's a live grenade. Too many of our players are not comfortable in possession of the ball and just offload it aimlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 i think part of the problem is David James, he has always been a confidence player and i see no confidence in him at the moment and i dont think the defence have any confidence in him either, great save from Zigic but almost cost us with another rash charge to the edge of the area and kicking again woeful.... Please James start stepping up oh in answer to your question, i am sure Mcinnes would have realised that we had problems well before he took the job but clearly up for a challenge, and we have to have someone who is up for it and wants to be here....i wish him all the best of luck, he is gonna need it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The players are/should be good enough but to me there are serious question marks over their fitness, not injuries, but actual match fitness, which raises questions of the previous management. Nyatanga and Stewart couldn't catch a cold, Clarkson went on loan to Brentford and couldn't finish a game, too many here on easy street, which was demonstrated by players larking about in training on Friday. Millen might have put up with it, I suspect McInnes won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perfect example today of a tired Birmingham team beating City without barely breaking sweat. They were far and away the superior side, filled with PL experience all expect Marlon King. City huffed and puffed but created very little. Too many long balls, too many 'balls into the channels' and a lack of quality when they did eventually get into decent positions. Birmingham's time wasting 'keeper made one decent save all game. It was almost as we don't have a new manager. McInnes will have learnt more today about his inherited squad than he would in several weeks training. He's now got to find a way of lifting the players and designing a formation and style of play for Oakwell on saturday. Bottom line is that the City squad just ain't good enough. One shot on target and 41% possession at home says it all, relegation fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I didn't expect a win today purely because our squad is so much worse than birminghams I only think one of our players would get into Birminghams starting 11 today which is Maynard. James or Myhill - Myhill Carr or Skuse - Carr Ridgewell & Caldwell or Fontaine and Stewart - Ridgewell & Caldwell Davies or Nyatanga - Davies Adomah or Burke - Hard, but Burke due to his end product Marv & Kilkenny or Fahey and Gomis - Fahey and Gomis Jcr or Beausejour - Beausejour Maynard or King - Maynard Wood or Stead - Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 ...They were far and away the superior side... wow, I actually thought they weren't any better than us, just took their few chances Thought a bloke behind me on the way out hit the nail on the head, "It's a good job DM see's city like this rather than a trying to impress performance, that's the only way he judge the problems he's facing" - listening to DM's interview afterwards he came across to me like our problems are obvious and is already talking about getting loanees in - DM will sort the rot out, if he can't no one can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loderingo Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perfect example today of a tired Birmingham team beating City without barely breaking sweat. They were far and away the superior side, filled with PL experience all expect Marlon King. City huffed and puffed but created very little. Too many long balls, too many 'balls into the channels' and a lack of quality when they did eventually get into decent positions. Birmingham's time wasting 'keeper made one decent save all game. It was almost as we don't have a new manager. McInnes will have learnt more today about his inherited squad than he would in several weeks training. He's now got to find a way of lifting the players and designing a formation and style of play for Oakwell on saturday. Bottom line is that the City squad just ain't good enough. I think McInnes has already realised. In his player interview he refers to a lack of balance in the squad and to playing square pegs in round holes (perhaps referring to Skuse). It also looks like he is already thinking about moving into the loan market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 He is correct.. We dont have a left footed left winger apart from Woolford who hasn't done it yet. Our Defence is shocking and our midfield is unbalanced. Goalkeeper, left back, commanding centre back, solid right back, centre midfielder and a left footed left winger are needed. Too many changes required i fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think he's realised the first thing to sort out is fitness. They simply aren't fit enough to compete at this level at the moment. They need to get back to somewhere near the levels GJ had them at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevered Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I didn't expect a win today purely because our squad is so much worse than birminghams I only think one of our players would get into Birminghams starting 11 today which is Maynard. James or Myhill - Myhill Carr or Skuse - Carr Ridgewell & Caldwell or Fontaine and Stewart - Ridgewell & Caldwell Davies or Nyatanga - Davies Adomah or Burke - Hard, but Burke due to his end product Marv & Kilkenny or Fahey and Gomis - Fahey and Gomis Jcr or Beausejour - Beausejour Maynard or King - Maynard Wood or Stead - Wood. Correct, even if I didn't look at it like that before. And despite King being a complete you know what..City long for somebody everyone hates. Keith was too nice, and our squad is too nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Was he ? Him & Fonts weren't the problem. Are you for real? Stewarts performance today was as inept as I have ever seen. He is a paceless half wit moron. He not only hinders us defensively but he completely destroys any attack that he inadvertently gets involved with. I will happily say Damion Stewart is the worst player we have had since we have been in the Championship. Worse than Styvar, worse than the Hoff, worse than Webster. Sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think he's realised the first thing to sort out is fitness. They simply aren't fit enough to compete at this level at the moment. They need to get back to somewhere near the levels GJ had them at. Makes you think what the **** has Millen, Kunle and the rest been doing all year!?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The reason they played us off the park is because the system they play is brilliant. Our system is so predictable and offers nothing defensively as we always concede easily and offers nothing going forward as we cant score. They were very well organized. Apart from Roger Johnson that back four played in the prem last season. It's going to take time for del to get us playing how he wants. He did say in his interview after the game that we need to get a couple of players in as we are unbalanced. Yes we all knew that but he's not going to hang about by the looks of it. We need to be patient i'm afraid, i'm confident he will turn it around. And for what it's worth Stewart was shocking, he's as bad on the ball as Mcoombe and has a 50p as a head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevered Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Can't agree with that about Stewart. Today, wasn't great but whole defence was exposed. First goal, Skuse was nowhere (yes I know he isn't a full-back) Stewart has experience and in last few games has been revitalised, bar today. He brings a degree of steel and ushers strikers up the pitch. No pace but brings something for me. FR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pederho ll Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think McInnes already has a fair idea that our squad is at best unbalanced and at worst poor. He'll sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 They were very well organized. Apart from Roger Johnson that back four played in the prem last season. It's going to take time for del to get us playing how he wants. He did say in his interview after the game that we need to get a couple of players in as we are unbalanced. Yes we all knew that but he's not going to hang about by the looks of it. We need to be patient i'm afraid, i'm confident he will turn it around. And for what it's worth Stewart was shocking, he's as bad on the ball as Mcoombe and has a 50p as a head. I was talking about Swansea as someone posted they outplayed us last season and I was explaining why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Can't agree with that about Stewart. Today, wasn't great but whole defence was exposed. First goal, Skuse was nowhere (yes I know he isn't a full-back) Stewart has experience and in last few games has been revitalised, bar today. He brings a degree of steel and ushers strikers up the pitch. No pace but brings something for me. FR I can't agree with that mate, not even slightly. If McInnes is foolish enough to select him again just spend 5 minutes watching him... I was having a right old moan and got the people I sit with to watch him with me and he looks completely lost on the pitch. He's brain-dead. He didn't win a header all day and that's meant to be his strength? He was completely at fault for the first goal as he reacted slower than I thought was humanly possible to the ball run by King (Might have been Woods) We would have been better playing three at the back today and getting him on the first train to the scrapheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The spirit in this squad is a disgrace, the players have the ability, but the attitude is ******* terrible. Out of the whole squad the only 2 I would miss are adomah and pitman, the rest are mediocre at best, most with a attitude that will only take us to league one. What summed up today nicely was some of the players left out of the squad, sat in the comfy seats in the Williams, laughing there heads off when the second goal went in in ijury time. Total ******* disgrace. And its that kind of thing that will spell relegation for this club, bar a massive influx of new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifelong Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Frankly I still havent seeen anything to convince me that our current plight is down to anything other than mismanagement. we will see how good a man manger dm is by what he achieves with this squad, we will also see how good KM was as well, as i suspect there will be little money made available. What is without doubt is what Johnson achieved with a significantly inferior group of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think McInnes already has a fair idea that our squad is at best unbalanced and at worst poor. He'll sort it out. Agreed. I just hope that certain sections of our fanbase realise that it might take him some time, possibly more than might be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think he's realised the first thing to sort out is fitness. They simply aren't fit enough to compete at this level at the moment. They need to get back to somewhere near the levels GJ had them at. We have a full time fitness coach. If their not fit than Cunley whattshisface should be shown the door ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 We have a full time fitness coach. If their not fit than Cunley whattshisface should be shown the door ASAP. The fact that he looks like he could benefit from a week off the cakes himself isn't terribly encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Great Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The fact that he looks like he could benefit from a week off the cakes himself isn't terribly encouraging. Haha quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 We have a full time fitness coach. If their not fit than Cunley whattshisface should be shown the door ASAP. A few weeks ago fitness coach pulled up in Sainsbury's car park in his big flash motor, and parks right outside of the door in the disabled space,.Car park kid went to point out his mistake and was given the full on 'don't you know who i am' stare. When the fitness coach thinks he is billy big time, we're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perfect example today of a tired Birmingham team beating City without barely breaking sweat. They were far and away the superior side, filled with PL experience all expect Marlon King. City huffed and puffed but created very little. Too many long balls, too many 'balls into the channels' and a lack of quality when they did eventually get into decent positions. Birmingham's time wasting 'keeper made one decent save all game. It was almost as we don't have a new manager. McInnes will have learnt more today about his inherited squad than he would in several weeks training. He's now got to find a way of lifting the players and designing a formation and style of play for Oakwell on saturday. Bottom line is that the City squad just ain't good enough. Considering the fact we all know who you would like to blame for our current woes, 5 of this side were GJ signings, Fontaine evidently had a good game, Maynard is our prized asset, Nyatanga, Elliott and JCR were not so good, but in your defence of Millen you told us that JCR was an asset and 'a proven championship player', so who do you blame?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The squad is lacking...oh so predictably...a left back, a decent centre back and a creative midfielder. That we don't have these folk in the side is a direct consequence of two failed preseasons. Looking on today you had to reflect on the damage done to our club by the failure to build on what GJ had achieved. The appointment of incompetent successors has put us in the mire. Millen's apologists should take a bow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'm probably talking cr*p, but having watched today am thinking that the reason behind why we can't defend is that the defenders get no support whatsoever from the midfield. The central midfield may as well not exist. They are useless supporting the front two and useless supporting the back. The tactic today of hoofing the ball from defence down the wings or over the central midfield to the front two seems to make me think McInness is aware of the central midfield issue however, I personally think by sitting Cisse infront of the back four will install some confidence! Now for that creative midfielder we have been promised and we'll be on on way up that table!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perfect example today of a tired Birmingham team beating City without barely breaking sweat. They were far and away the superior side, filled with PL experience all expect Marlon King. City huffed and puffed but created very little. Too many long balls, too many 'balls into the channels' and a lack of quality when they did eventually get into decent positions. Birmingham's time wasting 'keeper made one decent save all game. It was almost as we don't have a new manager. McInnes will have learnt more today about his inherited squad than he would in several weeks training. He's now got to find a way of lifting the players and designing a formation and style of play for Oakwell on saturday. Bottom line is that the City squad just ain't good enough. You reckon? We had a reasonable shout for two penalties - the first when Jamal's legs were totally kicked out from under him as he was waiting for that free kick - hit the bar, somehow contrived to miss two sitters and were awarded one of the most off-side goals against us I've ever seen. And we weren't even playing well. Brum, despite being gifted corner after corner by our defence, actually created very little, but they had some class defenders - I'd love to see someone like Ridgewell at AG. McInnes needs to learn from today.He won't have learned much from the training ground, he's going on reputation and previous selection. I have confidence in the man's motivational technique, abilitity to learn quickly and think outside the box and in Docherty's coaching skills. I was hardly thrilled today, but as in the last 3 home games, I don't think we are a million miles off being able to compete. I'm expecting DM to be able to make the 5% difference that will get us back into winning ways, very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ateyomike Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 fitness coach do we have one ? who is he ? what benefit does he bring to the team ? should he follow the alan walsh way ? thne he can park his car in the space he is supposed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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