Stephen Lewis Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The poppy is meant to remind all people, and on all sides of the horrors that war can bring. The England team should wear them. Lest we forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 FIFAs said that if England wear them the match will be called off so its a bit more than a fine the FA would face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Call it off then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Call it off then. thats one option. Personally I'd bring reps from all our armed forces onto the pitch before the game have a minutes silence while poppy wreaths are laid at the side of the pitch and get the players to wear special wristbands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonwheeler Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The Daily Mail sums it up exactly how I was thinking:- "Brave men and women fought for the power of freedom and that includes freedom from what FIFA tries to dictate" **** FIFA and all their totally crooked bosses. For once why dont we have the balls to stand up for what is GREAT about our country - Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo1bc Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 What a blind numpty! You have fallen for the papers hook line and sinker. JT and Cole had affairs. Wow. I bet a few people on here have too. Should they be stopped from wearing poppies? It's not these players fault clubs are going to offer them £150,000 a week. What are they going to say? "Err, no thanks, I'll have £27,000 a year to keep with the UK average." And they are lucky to get paid, what do you expect them to spend it on? Live in a terrace house and drive an old Ford Fiesta? I never understood blaming the players for the amount of money they get paid. If they are stupid, I'd prefer them to be playing football than playing with electricity... I see what you did with Cole's first name. Cashley. Makes it sound like he's obsessed with money. Even though since he left Arsenal, they've not won anything and Chelsea have won plenty of trophies. Seems like a clever move to me. But you keep on with your general sweeping incorrect statements and overlook the money footballers give to charity (Agbonlahor gave £11,000 to a hospital wing - OK, probably a quarter of a weeks wages, but more than you've ever given) as well as the time they give them (look at how often City players go to childrens hospitals). God knows where you made up the bit in bold. Hook line and sinker mate? WTF are you talking about? Nobody is blaming the players for they what earn but anyone who think it's all ok just because that's what they've been offered is a bloody numpty themselves! Do you know how much a nurse or a fireman earns? Is it ok if I call someone who get's 5 times their annual salary in one week for kicking a ball around overpaid?! Or have I insulted you in some way?! Three Lions and all that! Who cares if they've had an affair as well?! What a weird thing to say and what's it got to do with wearing a poppy? Should I leave poor little Cashley alone though? Left the club who found him, trained him and offered him 55k a week to join one of their arch rivals whether it''s for tropheys or not.. Think he's a lovely bloke and a role model do you? Don't care what business your in that's a crappy thing to do and while understandable on some levels it doesn't change the fact... If you think something like that is a 'clever move' then I feel sorry for you to be honest... What about JT, Rio, Owen, Crouch, or even squeeky clean Ryan Giggs (oh dear!). How about Titus Bramble, Kieron Dyer, Joey Barton, Lee Bowyer, Rosicky, Rooney, Dwight Yorke, Marlon King, Mark Bosnitch, or further afield the likes of Oliver Kahn, Karim Benzema/Franck Ribery etc. Rape, Fraud, Sexual Assualt, GBH, Doping, Gambling hundreds of thousands of pounds, cheating, leaving your pregnant wife, drink driving etc. etc... (allegedly!!). These are the type of people who should represent my pride in my nation or how I remember those who've made the ultimate sacrifice are they? To be clear then I've got nothing against them living their own lives and making their own mistakes cos god knows we all make a few and I ain't an angel... Any walk of life will have similar people but not every walk of life get's the rewards they do or get's held up as representing something... Have I ever given more than a quarter of a weeks wages (which you seem to think is great!) to charity?! Of course I have and considering it's probably a quarter of the amount he'd also lose in one night in a casino what exactly is your point? Of course I'm generalising and I lower league players don't fall under the same category (mostly!)... I'm sure there are plenty of players who are genuine & nice people... The current batch don't represent what makes me proud about this nation though... Good luck to 'em with the money and all that it brings but stop with the pedestals please! If they want to wear a poppy then good for them but making it official and making all this fuss about it actually meaning something is PR spin imho. Now finally if your still upset about me calling your precious millionaire premier league superstars some nasty names then perhaps you need your fix of Sky Sports? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PBSG_-lP4_Y Hook, line and sinker mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven arms Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Sorry I'm with FIFA on this one,if you sign up to there rules you play by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Sorry I'm with FIFA on this one,if you sign up to there rules you play by them The rule is no political, religious or commercial emblems where does remembering the dead come into any of those categories? The funniest part is the commercial bit, because that rule would'nt applie if FIFA or the top dogs were making any dosh out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 So you run the FA You know that there is a rule banning political religious or commercial emblems on shirts Do you A) ask FIFA if a non political/religious emblem like the poppy might break their rules OR B) Wear the poppy without asking because it is not a political or religious emblem Every other country would choose B but we are stupid enough to ask just in case and then whine when FIFA says no This is typical of our FA who (when we had the best team in the world bar none), were too stupid and arrogant to bother entering the first 3 world cups - it would be nice to have an England shirt with 4 starts on it.. Don't blame Blatter blame the FA Completely agree with this. The FA should never have given FIFA the opportunity to intervene - once they had asked the question, there was only ever once answer which FIFA were going to give. Poppies should have appeared on the shirts and the FA should have accepted the mild rebuke which they would have received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Sorry I'm with FIFA on this one,if you sign up to there rules you play by them A bit like the EU then? Britain plays the game by the rules and gets walked all over bny other countries who pick and choose which rules suite them. With this poppy on the shirt issue, I am pretty sure other countries would have just turned up with the poppy on their shirts and would have then argued the toss with FIFA after the event. We, on the other hand, make an issue of the rule, prevaricate beforehand, thereby forcing a decision to be made. Then , because we play by the rules we will back down - as we usually do in the face of authority and because we don't want to give the European and World Governing bodies yet another stick with which to beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but England have played matches in November for many years, so why has this never been an issue until now? Exactly. I genuinely don't understand why people are getting so worked up about this. Maybe because they enjoy getting worked up about something... England have probably played football internationals in most years in November since 1918 when the poppy became a symbol of remembrance. 93 years. We have never worn a poppy on our shirts in all that time. Did this mean people in England/Britain cared less for the war dead in the 92 preceding years?? Of course it didn't. FIFA don't allow any extra symbols to be added to shirts. That's the rule, and has been so for a long long time. People should just calm down and accept that. And then, if they wish, pay their own quiet and personal respects to the war dead on 11/11. Various parts of the press have worked half the country up about this, getting everyone angry about the FA/FIFA/foreigners/.... They are doing it because they are trying to sell newspapers, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven arms Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 What so no war was ever fault over religion or politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The Daily Mail sums it up exactly how I was thinking:- "Brave men and women fought for the power of freedom and that includes freedom from what FIFA tries to dictate" I'm pretty sure my grandad, when he went into battle in WW2, wasn't fighting for the freedom to wear a poppy on the England football shirt 70 years in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Interestingly enough, just read on Beeb site poppies seem to very much be an Anglosphere concept- no real mention of mass wearing elsewhere... http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-15637074 Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, but to some it will smack of the Anglosphere trying to evade rules that apply to all, arrogance, superiority complex etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The rule is no political, religious or commercial emblems where does remembering the dead come into any of those categories? Certainly political, and potentially religious. Maybe commercial to an extent. If the FA are so bothered about the poppy all of a sudden then why don't they display poppys all around the sides of the pitch on the advertising boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 What so no war was ever fault over religion or politics But poppies does not celebrate war. Its about remembering the dead. Your religious or political views do not come into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 What about dreadlocks?, Northern Ireland badge has a cross on it, how about teams with the name Saint in it?............................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Jesus wept! Wear it, don't wear it. Just put some effing money in the box! That's all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Jesus wept! Wear it, don't wear it. Just put some effing money in the box! That's all that really matters. I agree, but the argument for me is more about the double standards of FIFA. For a start they have little or nothing to do most of the time, so surely things can be judged by it's individual merits and they seem not to have the same standards when comes to the kit that teams wear mainly made by cheap child labour in sweat shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Just been released from the FA http://bit.ly/syG04T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Interestingly enough, just read on Beeb site poppies seem to very much be an Anglosphere concept- no real mention of mass wearing elsewhere... http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-15637074 Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, but to some it will smack of the Anglosphere trying to evade rules that apply to all, arrogance, superiority complex etc. Yes, the poppy is a US, UK and Commonwealth thing. Other countries have Veterans Days and different ways of showing respect. I'm not worked up about it, but I do think Fifa have got it wrong because the poppy is neither a national, religious, political or commercial emblem. Sounds like the FA has worked a compromise and will still support the fund whilst keeping Sepp Twitter et al happy. It's just another example of Fifa meddling where they shouldn't, but failing to act on genuine concerns which they should. If that organisation was a dog, you'd have it put down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Us_and_Them Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Just been watching the daily politics programme and was nice to hear that our politicians are saying we should ignore fifa and wear the poppy saturday. As one said, fifa should take a run and jump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Exactly. I genuinely don't understand why people are getting so worked up about this. Maybe because they enjoy getting worked up about something... England have probably played football internationals in most years in November since 1918 when the poppy became a symbol of remembrance. 93 years. We have never worn a poppy on our shirts in all that time. Did this mean people in England/Britain cared less for the war dead in the 92 preceding years?? Of course it didn't. FIFA don't allow any extra symbols to be added to shirts. That's the rule, and has been so for a long long time. People should just calm down and accept that. And then, if they wish, pay their own quiet and personal respects to the war dead on 11/11. Various parts of the press have worked half the country up about this, getting everyone angry about the FA/FIFA/foreigners/.... They are doing it because they are trying to sell newspapers, that's all. <pedant mode> The poppy became a symbol in Britain in 1922 I think. </pedant mode> Goodness knows how we managed remembrance Sunday before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Just been watching the daily politics programme and was nice to hear that our politicians are saying we should ignore fifa and wear the poppy saturday. As one said, fifa should take a run and jump! Just go ahead and wear them.......forget the corrupt money wasting self righteous FIFA t055ers - We should tell them "It's what our fans want and they will always come before you FIFA" Cameron should also issue an invitation to Blatter to come to Wembley on Saturday and before KO go on the pitch and explain to 90k+ crowd why he wont let us wear them I hope we lay out the cards on the seats so when held up all four stands dispaly massive images of a poppy and the message "Lest we forget" And as for this "rules" crap.....................how does remembering those who have given their life in the name of Freedom (many WITHOUT CHOICE) constitute any of the banned things refferenced? Utter utter cowardice from FIFA................and what is EUEFA's comments? - they appear to be quite silent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Just been watching the daily politics programme and was nice to hear that our politicians are saying we should ignore fifa and wear the poppy saturday. As one said, fifa should take a run and jump! Hmm, strange to see politicians following an apparent public trend. I wonder why they are doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hook line and sinker mate? WTF are you talking about? Nobody is blaming the players for they what earn but anyone who think it's all ok just because that's what they've been offered is a bloody numpty themselves! Do you know how much a nurse or a fireman earns? Is it ok if I call someone who get's 5 times their annual salary in one week for kicking a ball around overpaid?! Or have I insulted you in some way?! Three Lions and all that! Who cares if they've had an affair as well?! What a weird thing to say and what's it got to do with wearing a poppy? Should I leave poor little Cashley alone though? Left the club who found him, trained him and offered him 55k a week to join one of their arch rivals whether it''s for tropheys or not.. Think he's a lovely bloke and a role model do you? Don't care what business your in that's a crappy thing to do and while understandable on some levels it doesn't change the fact... If you think something like that is a 'clever move' then I feel sorry for you to be honest... What about JT, Rio, Owen, Crouch, or even squeeky clean Ryan Giggs (oh dear!). How about Titus Bramble, Kieron Dyer, Joey Barton, Lee Bowyer, Rosicky, Rooney, Dwight Yorke, Marlon King, Mark Bosnitch, or further afield the likes of Oliver Kahn, Karim Benzema/Franck Ribery etc. Rape, Fraud, Sexual Assualt, GBH, Doping, Gambling hundreds of thousands of pounds, cheating, leaving your pregnant wife, drink driving etc. etc... (allegedly!!). These are the type of people who should represent my pride in my nation or how I remember those who've made the ultimate sacrifice are they? To be clear then I've got nothing against them living their own lives and making their own mistakes cos god knows we all make a few and I ain't an angel... Any walk of life will have similar people but not every walk of life get's the rewards they do or get's held up as representing something... Have I ever given more than a quarter of a weeks wages (which you seem to think is great!) to charity?! Of course I have and considering it's probably a quarter of the amount he'd also lose in one night in a casino what exactly is your point? Of course I'm generalising and I lower league players don't fall under the same category (mostly!)... I'm sure there are plenty of players who are genuine & nice people... The current batch don't represent what makes me proud about this nation though... Good luck to 'em with the money and all that it brings but stop with the pedestals please! If they want to wear a poppy then good for them but making it official and making all this fuss about it actually meaning something is PR spin imho. Now finally if your still upset about me calling your precious millionaire premier league superstars some nasty names then perhaps you need your fix of Sky Sports? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PBSG_-lP4_Y Hook, line and sinker mate! What has anything they do, on or off the pitch go to do with showing respect for those who gave their lives? Are you saying just because John Terry had an affair or Ashley Cole is obsessed with money that they havent been affected by the war? Im pretty sure some of their reletives would have been involved in at least 1 of the wars. On the subject of Ashley cole changing teams. Imagine if you were in a job and getting nowhere further in your career? Werent progressing at all. I tell you what if a rival company of mine came along, promised me 100% more career progression and twice as much money Id be gone in a second. Yea that doesnt sit well with Arsenal fans, but unfortunately that is the human lifeform for you. Not one person would refuse double their salary from another company / team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 "There are other ways to honour the poppy than by wearing it on a shirt. The FA has helped us explore every alternative available and we are satisfied that England will enter the competition knowing they have shown proper respect for our Armed Forces." Chris Simpkins, Director General of The Royal British Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 On a related note, does anyone know if the club is auctioning off the shirts worn in the win over Burnley at the weekend? Seems a lot of other clubs are raising money for the poppy appeal http://www.bcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10327~2504429,00.html Says in the above they will be signed and auctioned off, though no other details as to when and where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 EDL have apparently climbed the roof of the FIFA headquarters. Well done you spastic morons, you just made it political. Game set and match FIFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 EDL have apparently climbed the roof of the FIFA headquarters. Well done you spastic morons, you just made it political. Game set and match FIFA. I thought Mr Gow was quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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