Jordan Tansley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just been reaffirmed that we are not to wear poppies this weekend. Absolute disgrace. The FA must show some balls and make us wear them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What do you expect from an organisation headed by a corrupt dictator. I'm surprised he hasn't ordered us to wear armbands with his face on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What is the worst they could do, fine the FA and look a complete bunch of cocks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just in case anyone jumps on any bandwagon (not that I think they will but you never know), this isn't linked to anti Englishness- this is linked to long standing FIFA rules on commercialism with regards strips, political symbols etc... Fact is, these rules apply to all nations equally. If we were playing ROI at the weekend, I couldn't see the wearing of poppies going down well due to the history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What do you expect from an organisation headed by a corrupt dictator. I'm surprised he hasn't ordered us to wear armbands with his face on them. I've always thought Blatter was a ******* fascist (I don't mean fascist but *unacceptable word* gets removed :confused: ) I will be so so so disappointed if we don't rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Without having an England shirt in front of me, I could be wrong - but aren't there some red roses (I presume) on the badge currently? If so, change them to poppies - more relevant than the red rose now, which will always be the sign of the rugby team anyway. Then FIFA can go **** themselves - yeah? Apparently it's in case we ever play Germany in November, if they say yes now then we would be allowed to wear them against the Germans.......I really don't think the two FA's would ever sanction a friendly around Rememberance Day, and there are no official competitions that are played in Nov, so why would this ever be an issue? Yet Scotland can sing about sending our armies homeward before we play them, yet that's ok? It's all bollocks to keep the English down I love the emotion that Flower of Scotland brings, do I find it offensive, good God no - just like no one should be offended by a poppy I hope someone flies over the ground and dumps thousands of them on the pitch as the national anthems are being sung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Wear em - **** FIFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Apparently it's in case we ever play Germany in November, if they say yes now then we would be allowed to wear them against the Germans.......I really don't think the two FA's would ever sanction a friendly around Rememberance Day, and there are no official competitions that are played in Nov, so why would this ever be an issue? Yet Scotland can sing about sending our armies homeward before we play them, yet that's ok? It's all bollocks to keep the English down Interesting. We and Germany could conceivably happen if we draw each other in a qualifying group or even more likely, the playoffs. FIFA do have to take political factors into account though- Armenia v Azerbaijan had to be postponed in 07 when they were in the same qualifying group and Turkey v Armenia drew some consternation. Like I said, I dare say had we drawn Ireland in the playoffs, then poppies would have been verboten... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Without having an England shirt in front of me, I could be wrong - but aren't there some red roses (I presume) on the badge currently? If so, change them to poppies - more relevant than the red rose now, which will always be the sign of the rugby team anyway. Then FIFA can go **** themselves - yeah? Apparently it's in case we ever play Germany in November, if they say yes now then we would be allowed to wear them against the Germans.......I really don't think the two FA's would ever sanction a friendly around Rememberance Day, and there are no official competitions that are played in Nov, so why would this ever be an issue? Yet Scotland can sing about sending our armies homeward before we play them, yet that's ok? It's all bollocks to keep the English down I love the emotion that Flower of Scotland brings, do I find it offensive, good God no - just like no one should be offended by a poppy I hope someone flies over the ground and dumps thousands of them on the pitch as the national anthems are being sung I think it's a disgrace and we should wear them anyway , let FIFA fine us if they want. Just to pull you up on the point about playing Germany in November , we could feasibly play them in a play off for the Euro's or World Cup. Also God Save The Queen does have a line about crushing rebellious Scot's , it's just that nobody knows that verse !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I think it's a disgrace and we should wear them anyway , let FIFA fine us if they want. Just to pull you up on the point about playing Germany in November , we could feasibly play them in a play off for the Euro's or World Cup. Also God Save The Queen does have a line about crushing rebellious Scot's , it's just that nobody knows that verse !! Would you care to explain why you think we should be exempt from rules which were made a long time ago? Certainly they may be ott but we're not some special case-we're another nation, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting comments... World football's governing body said in a statement: "Fifa fully acknowledges the significance of the poppy appeal and the ways in which it helps commemorate Remembrance Day." But on wearing poppies on shirts, they said: "Players' equipment are that they should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages. The same regulations are applied globally, and uniformly, in the event of similar requests by other nations to commemorate historical events." And some others... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2058780/England-poppy-shirt-FIFA.html How can Umbro, Adidas, Puma etc have their emblem on the shirts, if that is not a 'Commercial' message? How can Unicef have a tie up with Barcelona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting. We and Germany could conceivably happen if we draw each other in a qualifying group or even more likely, the playoffs. FIFA do have to take political factors into account though- Armenia v Azerbaijan had to be postponed in 07 when they were in the same qualifying group and Turkey v Armenia drew some consternation. Like I said, I dare say if we drew Ireland around this time, poppies would be verboten... Of course, play offs - hadn't thought of that...... As for the Irish, they'd have to tuck it in I'm afraid. I don't go an awful lot of some of the shite they spout, so for one night they could tuck their collective green blouses in and get on with the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 If the fine us the FA should give the fine money to the poppy appeal. **** the fine, ban us from football if you like, some things are more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting comments... World football's governing body said in a statement: "Fifa fully acknowledges the significance of the poppy appeal and the ways in which it helps commemorate Remembrance Day." But on wearing poppies on shirts, they said: "Players' equipment are that they should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages. The same regulations are applied globally, and uniformly, in the event of similar requests by other nations to commemorate historical events." And some others... http://www.dailymail...shirt-FIFA.html How can Umbro, Adidas, Puma etc have their emblem on the shirts, if that is not a 'Commercial' message? How can Unicef have a tie up with Barcelona? Is Unicef a commercial message technically? If Barca did not benefit financially from said tie up (I heard it was free of charge but priceless publicity for the charity). Agree about Umbro, Adidas etc but I'd have thought that rules may apply differently to club strips than national teams. Again, not entirely sure and stand to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 What is the worst they could do, fine the FA and look a complete bunch of cocks? ... or they could rig the vote for the next world cup venue, so that despite being the strongest bid, we would lose out to some no mark shite hole of a country (in footballing terms) - but surely they wouldn't stoop as low as that..? ..oh, hang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting. We and Germany could conceivably happen if we draw each other in a qualifying group or even more likely, the playoffs. FIFA do have to take political factors into account though- Armenia v Azerbaijan had to be postponed in 07 when they were in the same qualifying group and Turkey v Armenia drew some consternation. Like I said, I dare say had we drawn Ireland in the playoffs, then poppies would have been verboten... English, French, Germans, Irish all lost their lives during the World Wars. There is no reason why all of them couldn't wear poppies. So that all Countries remember innocent people lost their lives for the sake of Governments and Dictators and not just Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Also God Save The Queen does have a line about crushing rebellious Scot's , it's just that nobody knows that verse !! I know that verse, and I think we should bloody well sing it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Of course, play offs - hadn't thought of that...... As for the Irish, they'd have to tuck it in I'm afraid. I don't go an awful lot of some of the shite they spout, so for one night they could tuck their collective green blouses in and get on with the game Well yeah, but whether that'd happen in practice- like I say Armenia v Azerbaijan, both games postponed due to security threats. Then we have Serbia vs Bosnia or worse still Turkey- the former still vividly commemorate a defeat by the latter at Kosovo some 620 years or so ago!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Would you care to explain why you think we should be exempt from rules which were made a long time ago? Certainly they may be ott but we're not some special case-we're another nation, end of story. The Poppy appeal is something very close to the hearts of most people in our country. It raises awareness and money and I for one am proud to wear a Poppy. I cant believe it would offend many people from other nation's and I'm not sure many would even notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just in case anyone jumps on any bandwagon (not that I think they will but you never know), this isn't linked to anti Englishness- this is linked to long standing FIFA rules on commercialism with regards strips, political symbols etc... Fact is, these rules apply to all nations equally. If we were playing ROI at the weekend, I couldn't see the wearing of poppies going down well due to the history. They actually hold poppy day in Ireland - although it isn't as big as over here. It's worth restating that it honours the dead of all nations as well as raising funds for those affected by modern conflicts. Many hundreds of thousands of Irishman fought on the Allied side of WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Well yeah, but whether that'd happen in practice- like I say Armenia v Azerbaijan, both games postponed due to security threats. Then we have Serbia vs Bosnia or worse still Turkey- the former still vividly commemorate a defeat by the latter at Kosovo some 620 years or so ago!! A lot easier to say than put into practice Mr P, that's for sure It's sport, nothing to do with anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 They actually hold poppy day in Ireland - although it isn't as big as over here. It's worth restating that it honours the dead of all nations as well as raising funds for those affected by modern conflicts. Many hundreds of thousands of Irishman fought on the Allied side of WWI. Interesting that! I'd been reading various Irish politics fora, see what they made of the whole thing and I got the impression that the poppy was not seen really taken up there. As for this, personally I think FIFA are OTT. Little common sense applied via arbitary rules and it should be a matter for the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 The Poppy appeal is something very close to the hearts of most people in our country. It raises awareness and money and I for one am proud to wear a Poppy. I cant believe it would offend many people from other nation's and I'm not sure many would even notice. Don't disagree with that really, but I'm assuming there is a reason for FIFA's rules. Maybe they will agree to some sort of compromise etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Poppy wearing is remembrance for those who gave their lives for democracy and freedom and that includes the personal choice about whether an individual chooses to wear a poppy or not. I don't think its democratic to force anyone wear a poppy and that includes footballers going about their job of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting comments... World football's governing body said in a statement: "Fifa fully acknowledges the significance of the poppy appeal and the ways in which it helps commemorate Remembrance Day." But on wearing poppies on shirts, they said: "Players' equipment are that they should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages. The same regulations are applied globally, and uniformly, in the event of similar requests by other nations to commemorate historical events." I'd argue that poppies are not political, religious or commercial. The poppy is 'owned' by the people, not by any political or governmental organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I'd argue that poppies are not political, religious or commercial. The poppy is 'owned' by the people, not by any political or governmental organisation. Quite right but its still personal choice about whether an individual wears one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komazawa Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 On a related note, does anyone know if the club is auctioning off the shirts worn in the win over Burnley at the weekend? Seems a lot of other clubs are raising money for the poppy appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Thing is, I can see why FIFA have the rule and there shouldn't be special exemptions, regardless of the meaningfulness of the cause. Once you start, where do you stop it? It could be too easily abused. Then there is the issue of personal choice, I wouldn't like to see any player forced to wear one if they would prefer not to for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Just to clear up this has nothing to do with us maybe playing Germany or offending anyone. It is also not anything to do with Blatter being an idiot. (Although I agree) It is a long standing rule of FIFA that applies to everyone and I actually agree FIFA should stand by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 But I bet that FIFA will come down like a ton of bricks when the serial offending countries fans who habitually racially abuse black players are inevitably at it again during the current round of internationals...................................yeah ******* right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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