TRL Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 In the champ/prem, for a defender you need to have more to your game than just kicking out to row z. You need to be able to pass, control and have great awareness, plus pace. He doesn't have any of that! like a said before, he is a average league 1 defender at best. Didn't do Terry and Skrtel any harm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 You are wrong. Its my opinion! doesn't mean for all of you to get your knickers in a twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Add to that the formation we are playing now allows a man in front of the back 4 to collect, long balls from the back should be a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Its my opinion! doesn't mean for all of you to get your knickers in a twist. You are the one getting his knickers in a twist. I accept your opinion that's fine, luckily it's the opinion of Del and Doc that count the most and I think as they have already displayed that they might actually know what they are doing. Especially compared to dumb and dumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 You are the one getting his knickers in a twist. I accept your opinion that's fine, luckily it's the opinion of Del and Doc that count the most and I think as they have already displayed that they might actually know what they are doing. Yes they do, bringing in a new centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 You are wrong. For you and Jordan to accuse him of being 'wrong' is ridiculous. For the record I agree with yours and Jordan's points, but Lew-T is entitled to an opinion, and you're intitled to disagree, but he's not 'wrong'. There is something that scares me about Nyatanga though, he's played well, but there's still question marks. I hope we keep him and like you say, that is coached out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Robins1 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Is there actually a link to any 'evidence' that this is in fact true? Or is it just another rumor....Link Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Its a hard one, I have never rated tangs, even when he was at derby! Just isn't a footballer. That's incredibly harsh, his distribution isn't quite up there with Messi but he's a rock solid defender for the most part and has served us very well this season. When you compare him with the player we signed in 2009, he's come on strides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I'd say that Naylors coaching of Basso is about the only thing I can recall... Probably why Naylor is still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 He's stated that Lewin is a league 1 defender at best. He is much better than that which is why he is wrong. He is also wrong when he says that Lewin has no pace or ability to pass the ball, he has shown both skills (only occasionally) this season. I think it's a mentality thing with Lewin, as he has enough ability to do things te right way but when he feels danger or has had to soak up some sustained pressure he likes to put distance between himself and the ball. Got no problem with that, it's just a shame he gets sucked into doing it when he isn't under any pressure. It could also be that he was under instructions to play direct. Maynard has already stated that the instructions are different. I respect his opinion, and you should respect mine that he is totally wrong. I've stated that, yes, but this is my opinion. You rate him, fair enough but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Is there actually a link to any 'evidence' that this is in fact true? Or is it just another rumor....Link Please! The link to the fact that he is a 'footballer' which was one of the charges made against him is that he is 23 years old and played over 200 games mainly at championship level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 You seem to be on your own... Oh I am sorry...I should be a sheep and follow what everybody says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 He's stated that Lewin is a league 1 defender at best. He is much better than that which is why he is wrong. He is also wrong when he says that Lewin has no pace or ability to pass the ball, he has shown both skills (only occasionally) this season. I think it's a mentality thing with Lewin, as he has enough ability to do things te right way but when he feels danger or has had to soak up some sustained pressure he likes to put distance between himself and the ball. Got no problem with that, it's just a shame he gets sucked into doing it when he isn't under any pressure. It could also be that he was under instructions to play direct. Maynard has already stated that the instructions are different. I respect his opinion, and you should respect mine that he is totally wrong. I do respect your opinion, and I agree with it. I assume you heard the on pitch interview with Maynard on Sunday, I think he basically had a little pop at the previous regime and yeah, implied that long balls were encouraged. Seems so moronic, Maynard isn't a target man, Stead maybe, but Keith never played him really this season, so why would he want to play long balls? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Good grief. Point being you're in the absolute minority in think Lewin has been anything but decent this season which should show you that you've made a mistake. How often are the audience wrong on who wants to be a millionaire? not necessarily! though he is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Robins1 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Sorry. As Jordan pointed out i meant a link to any evidence that we had completed a deal for a CB. Do we have a name for this CB and a link to suggest this is more than just a rumor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Good grief. Point being you're in the absolute minority in think Lewin has been anything but decent this season which should show you that you've made a mistake. How often are the audience wrong on who wants to be a millionaire? What I am getting at is, that you should respect other people's opinion, no matter how wrong you think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Bradley Orr was worse than Nyatanga at what youve just pointed out, yet he now plays his trade in the prem? if you have a great defender who can do all of the above aswell then hes only going to be playing in 1 league and thats not the Championship with us, its the prem with a top half side! you need to get real. Brad was great for us, passionate, could pass, could control, get foward, can defend. A good all round full back, nyatanga for me, doesn't have most of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Boring, start a Nyatanga thread if you must. More interested in who this centre-back may be, and indeed if he will be joining us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Jordan, I have said why I think you are wrong and why I do not rate Lewin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I always thought he was a decent player but surely if he cant get into a team whos lower placed in the table than we are then how the hell is he going to get into ours? But you could argue Pitman would start in most teams in this league yet we would be below the majority of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 How often are the audience wrong on who wants to be a millionaire? 9% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Good grief. Point being you're in the absolute minority in think Lewin has been anything but decent this season which should show you that you've made a mistake. How often are the audience wrong on who wants to be a millionaire? I hope you're not suggesting being part of a minority group is a mistake! Everyone said Ringo was a crap drummer, but I thought he was pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Nyatanga and Fontaine's form in the last four games has been a key reason in our upturn in form. Surely everybody can see that?! Nyatanga was absolutely brilliant at Oakwell and Upton Park, didn't put a foot wrong against Burnley and in my opinion was decent again on Sunday. He was also superb at Leicester and although it isn't exactly something to be proud of I would say he was the best player in the opening ten games of the season. I've seen someone on this forum suggest that he doesn't have 'great awareness' which is ridiculous. You watch how many interceptions he makes in a game and how many times a ball gets played over the top that he beats the opposition forward to, he also offers great cover for McGivern who's positioning is occasionally poor. He is a great reader of the game! He is also fairly quick and although not tall for a centre half he wins more than his fair share in the air. Anyone who saw him against Cole for the last twenty five minutes at West Ham saw that! He does have his weaknesses as others have said. But I genuinely believe that as long he recieves the correct coaching and gets more confident with the ball at his feet he could become as composed on the ball as someone like Carey. He has a good first touch and when somebody in the midfield gives him an option he can play the ball out from the back. For the first time in years we do have a midfield at the moment who enjoys having posession of the ball and this will help Nyatanga eradicate the hopeless punt from his game! He does suffer from a lapse in concentration from time to time and what makes it more annoying is that he can be having the most assured game, not breaking a sweat then out of nowhere he will do something crazy. But he is still young, although I know many people choose to ignore this due to how many games he has played, and will continue to improve. I genuinely believe that with the right coaching he could become a leading centre half at this level. What I would say is that our squad does need a real commanding centre half as I feel that both Fontaine and Nyatanga are at their most comfortable as second ball centre halves playing alongside a big lump. A Shaun Taylor, a McCombe for this level, the player Stewart was at QPR by all accounts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Scotty Murray Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I bloody hope this is true because we need someone alongside Fonatine desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc_Jamie Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Can a mod just change this to the Nyatanga thread in the title please. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Brad was great for us, passionate, could pass, could control, get foward, can defend. A good all round full back, nyatanga for me, doesn't have most of that. Excuse me, Orr could pass?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del ete Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Whos the ******* centre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Robins1 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 I think it is quite obvious that 'GrahamC' who started this bloody thread will be delighted with the utter shite that has become of it. I notice that he has made no comment since the thread started so it is fairly obvious that it is all completely untrue. Change the title of this thread to 'Nyatanga is not the best CB in the world suprise, suprise' and put an end to all this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew - T Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 The trouble is, when we were finishing in the top10 every season, the fans were asking more of the players so it was harder for them to impress us. But now it seems as though the fans have accepted where we are and are happy with pretty much anything! Nyatanga would of got much more stick if he was playing in the play off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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