TRL Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 This is not about self style hooligans who can come from any class which I take you point . This incident was about some taking liberties and showing no respect , you can't have people taking the "piss" that's why I think it was justified that the Leeds fan need a slap. Like I say, I don't know if he swung a punch first, in which case he may have deserved a smack back. What concerns me with this example, is what happened after, people launching him down steps while being taken out by stewards, which means people must have been swinging and sometimes hitting the stewards, that is not on. If he hasn't thrown a punch or intimated he was intending ti cause physical damage to anyone, then.. well... We will have to agree to disagree. Different outlooks I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Like I say, I don't know if he swung a punch first, in which case he may have deserved a smack back. What concerns me with this example, is what happened after, people launching him down steps while being taken out by stewards, which means people must have been swinging and sometimes hitting the stewards, that is not on. If he hasn't thrown a punch or intimated he was intending ti cause physical damage to anyone, then.. well... We will have to agree to disagree. Different outlooks I guess. I agree with you last point , if he didn't throw the punch or looking for trouble it would of been out of order to punch him . However in this case I saw him throw the first punch , I saw him saw celebrate in an overly aggressive manner I saw indimidating fans around him. So in this case I have no sympathy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Maybe its a class thing , but if fools go around goading people expect to get hit and get no sympathy. Leeds fan is a moron for doing it in the first place. Guilty as charged are morons for reacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I agree with you last point , if he didn't throw the punch or looking for trouble it would of been out of order to punch him . However in this case I saw him throw the first punch , I saw him saw celebrate in an overly aggressive manner I saw indimidating fans around him. So in this case I have no sympathy for him. Regardless of whether or not he threw the first punch, it was STILL out of order to punch him. Ever heard the saying about two wrongs....? And if, for arguments sake, anyone was entitled to punch back, say out of self defence, then it would be the person he threw the punch at....something tells me he didn't throw the first punch at everyone. If only people had ignored his cheering and posturing.... he'd have felt a bit of a tit for trying to bait people then, wouldn't he?!? But that's too sensible a suggestion for most on here to seemingly comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bywaterred Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 And if he doesn't, the appropriate response is to beat him up? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ournicky Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Sit, shut up and not dance around when his lot scores!+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ournicky Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Firstly I would not be happy sitting next to the mug celebrating Leeds scoring. I would probably result to some verbals. But no one has the right to assault another person verbally or physicaly for any reason. The best course of action would have been quite simple, involve the stewards have him removed. Hey guess what job done m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales From The Front Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Regardless of whether or not he threw the first punch, it was STILL out of order to punch him. Ever heard the saying about two wrongs....? And if, for arguments sake, anyone was entitled to punch back, say out of self defence, then it would be the person he threw the punch at....something tells me he didn't throw the first punch at everyone. If only people had ignored his cheering and posturing.... he'd have felt a bit of a tit for trying to bait people then, wouldn't he?!? But that's too sensible a suggestion for most on here to seemingly comprehend. As long as that first punch wasn't aimed at you I suspose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
II Wurzel II Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Wonder what would happen if I stood next to him in the Leeds end.....do you think he would congratulate me if we scored ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Regardless of whether or not he threw the first punch, it was STILL out of order to punch him. Ever heard the saying about two wrongs....? And if, for arguments sake, anyone was entitled to punch back, say out of self defence, then it would be the person he threw the punch at....something tells me he didn't throw the first punch at everyone. If only people had ignored his cheering and posturing.... he'd have felt a bit of a tit for trying to bait people then, wouldn't he?!? But that's too sensible a suggestion for most on here to seemingly comprehend. Regardless of whether or not he threw the first punch, it was STILL out of order to punch him. Ever heard the saying about two wrongs....? And if, for arguments sake, anyone was entitled to punch back, say out of self defence, then it would be the person he threw the punch at....something tells me he didn't throw the first punch at everyone. If only people had ignored his cheering and posturing.... he'd have felt a bit of a tit for trying to bait people then, wouldn't he?!? But that's too sensible a suggestion for most on here to seemingly comprehend. ....at the end of the day, the Leeds fan was a hooligan.....and he got felt with. Ok, two wrongs do not make a right but he is a trouble maker, and he came unstuck. It was a complete waste of tax payers money, and not all guilty parties were punished. The Leeds fan wasn't charged after all. The whole case was a shambles, and even the judge came across as in a way that he thought this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Says a lot about you BS3, to try and justify those morons actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Wonder what would happen if I stood next to him in the Leeds end.....do you think he would congratulate me if we scored ??? Weird post, what is it supposed to prove? You wouldn't expect him to congratulate you. Well that is clear. So are you suggesting you would expect him to punch you because you celebrated? Or am I completely misunderstanding your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Firstly I would not be happy sitting next to the mug celebrating Leeds scoring. I would probably result to some verbals. But no one has the right to assault another person verbally or physicaly for any reason. The best course of action would have been quite simple, involve the stewards have him removed. Hey guess what job done m The voice of reason! Also,if he'd just been chucked out he wouldn't have had all the publicity - probably considers himself to be a bit of a legend now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
II Wurzel II Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Wonder what would happen if I stood next to him in the Leeds end.....do you think he would congratulate me if we scored ??? Weird post, what is it supposed to prove? You wouldn't expect him to congratulate you. Well that is clear. So are you suggesting you would expect him to punch you because you celebrated? Or am I completely misunderstanding your post? Exactly..I would expect him to punch me. He took a huge risk in celebrating and got what "what he would of expected". Not that I agree with violence, but its not as clear as "he didn't deserve it", its just one of those circumstances where common sense tells you to sit quite and camouflage in with the surrounds. If its true what others said that he's got a history of violence he knew exactly what he was doing, could of been a lot worse for him to be honest and a stupid thing to do. If I stick my hand in the Lions cage at Bristol Zoo to stroke his head I'll get my arm ripped off.....but "I wouldn't deserve it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 The thing is, rightly or wrongly things are completley different in a football ground. So...is it right, or is it wrong?. That seems to be the point. And, to get back again to the OP's question about why no-one goes onto the EP website to redress the balane, it's cos - quite clearly - we can't. City have fans who think it's acceptable to hit people in a football ground. Makes me despair, but its evidently the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Says a lot about you BS3, to try and justify those morons actions Your reply says a lot about you . I know which side I'm on . I know which side of the the track I live and I know who my mates are and I know that people I go to football with socialise with and are friends with are very much like minded . So take you head out of your hand and get over your self . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 So...is it right, or is it wrong?. That seems to be the point. And, to get back again to the OP's question about why no-one goes onto the EP website to redress the balane, it's cos - quite clearly - we can't. City have fans who think it's acceptable to hit people in a football ground. Makes me despair, but its evidently the case. Go and support another club if you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 So...is it right, or is it wrong?. That seems to be the point. And, to get back again to the OP's question about why no-one goes onto the EP website to redress the balane, it's cos - quite clearly - we can't. City have fans who think it's acceptable to hit people in a football ground. Makes me despair, but its evidently the case. There are 90 other league grounds where the same thing would have happened. Yeovil probably being the exception! Your kidding yourself if you think differently. He was a Leeds fan from Plymouth ( says it all really),he acted like a duckhead and got the attention he craved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Firstly I would not be happy sitting next to the mug celebrating Leeds scoring. I would probably result to some verbals. But no one has the right to assault another person verbally or physicaly for any reason. The best course of action would have been quite simple, involve the stewards have him removed. Hey guess what job done m According to eye witness reports on here after the match stewards WERE involved and the Leeds fan hit one of them when he tried to remove him, sending him down the steps. It was only then that City fans become involved. http://www.otib.co.u...s fans__st__45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenn Loyal Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Weird post, what is it supposed to prove? You wouldn't expect him to congratulate you. Well that is clear. So are you suggesting you would expect him to punch you because you celebrated? Or am I completely misunderstanding your post? Must be perfect living in your world, helmet still fiting well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Must be perfect living in your world, helmet still fiting well? Must be weird in your world if you condone hitting oposition supporters and the Stewards of your own club. I know which world I would rather be in. Hat if comfy thanks, it's a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ournicky Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 BS3 are you on the wined up? Or are you genuinely trying to make our club look bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 So...is it right, or is it wrong?. That seems to be the point. And, to get back again to the OP's question about why no-one goes onto the EP website to redress the balane, it's cos - quite clearly - we can't. City have fans who think it's acceptable to hit people in a football ground. Makes me despair, but its evidently the case. I dont think anyone is really condoning what happened.....but do I personally believe it was dealt with correctly? and do I think posters on here no the full ins and outs of this case?? No and no. The whole case was a waste of tax payers money, an utter joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I dont think anyone is really condoning what happened.....but do I personally believe it was dealt with correctly? and do I think posters on here no the full ins and outs of this case?? No and no. The whole case was a waste of tax payers money, an utter joke It is kind of a joke, but they need to stamp out that kind of behavoiour. Quite easily one of theose stewards could have fallen badly down all those steps and done some serious damage or worse. So things like this have to be taken seriously. otherwise one day we will be having one of thos sickingly self rightious threads with people spouting the same old "Sometimes, somethings are bigger than football", more likely than not by those condoining what happened. in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 It is kind of a joke, but they need to stamp out that kind of behavoiour. Quite easily one of theose stewards could have fallen badly down all those steps and done some serious damage or worse. So things like this have to be taken seriously. otherwise one day we will be having one of thos sickingly self rightious threads with people spouting the same old "Sometimes, somethings are bigger than football", more likely than not by those condoining what happened. in this instance. ....I agree, and people should be punished. The two things that grate me are, firstly, because they are football fans...they are made an example of much more then anyone else in any other walk of life. If that had been a fight in town....would it have got that far? these people were named and shamed in the local rag before even being found guilty! Secondly, and more importantly....why wasnt the "innocent Leeds supporter" prosecuted. To inconsitant for my liking...the bloke was just as much a thug as the ones who got found guilty, if not more so. He gave it the big un, and came massively unstuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 ....I agree, and people should be punished. The two things that grate me are, firstly, because they are football fans...they are made an example of much more then anyone else in any other walk of life. If that had been a fight in town....would it have got that far? these people were named and shamed in the local rag before even being found guilty! Secondly, and more importantly....why wasnt the "innocent Leeds supporter" prosecuted. To inconsitant for my liking...the bloke was just as much a thug as the ones who got found guilty, if not more so. He gave it the big un, and came massively unstuck. Well yest this Leeds fan should have been charged, especially if he threw some punches. People here said they witnessed him throw the first punch. I am guessing tha the CCTV camera was not pointing in his direction at that time, and was just swivelled around to see the aftermath. Plenty of people get done for fights in town. It just doesn't get the reporting space, as football hoolinigism sells better than some beered up bloke busts someones jaw on a night out and gets prosecuted. take a look in the local coursts sometimes, plenty of people there for brawling affray etc etc. But unless it touches the EP's interest buttons, it won't get reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well yest this Leeds fan should have been charged, especially if he threw some punches. People here said they witnessed him throw the first punch. I am guessing tha the CCTV camera was not pointing in his direction at that time, and was just swivelled around to see the aftermath. Plenty of people get done for fights in town. It just doesn't get the reporting space, as football hoolinigism sells better than some beered up bloke busts someones jaw on a night out and gets prosecuted. take a look in the local coursts sometimes, plenty of people there for brawling affray etc etc. But unless it touches the EP's interest buttons, it won't get reported Pretty much. Its was just a real shambles and like Is aid, how these chaps were named and shamed before even being found guilty was a disgrace in its own right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Pretty much. Its was just a real shambles and like Is aid, how these chaps were named and shamed before even being found guilty was a disgrace in its own right Well indeed, that should never have happened, and probably prejudiced theri trial, surprised it was not thrown out. if i am honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalonred Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I'm not venturing either way in this argument if I can help it but I try to avoid trouble (like most people) if I can but..... Football IS a passionate game, the adrenaline flows (fight or flight), it only needs a trigger..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well indeed, that should never have happened, and probably prejudiced theri trial, surprised it was not thrown out. if i am honest Absolutely, the whole case was embaressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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