Barrs Court Red Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Is there any means to bring this lavish overspend into question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispep2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Police making sure they cover themselves for all the cash they been paid... The article should read "police save the day from naughty yobs".. The article is twaddle and full of inaccuracies.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbred Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 The article is twaddle and full of inaccuracies.. Of course it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Is there any means to bring this lavish overspend into question? Writing to an MP might be worth it. They can ask a question in the house of the minister responsible for the police. Maybe this protection racket is a widespread problem for football clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Writing to an MP might be worth it. They can ask a question in the house of the minister responsible for the police. Maybe this protection racket is a widespread problem for football clubs. And the moon landing was just filmed in a studio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbred Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Writing to an MP might be worth it. They can ask a question in the house of the minister responsible for the police. Maybe this protection racket is a widespread problem for football clubs. Ask the house? What all 5 of them when some of them actually decide to turn up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 And the moon landing was just filmed in a studio... Not sure the link here - is it that that's about as likely as policing one football match costing over £100k ? Ask the house? What all 5 of them when some of them actually decide to turn up! Well, the olympics is on you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 And the moon landing was just filmed in a studio... More believable than the police having integrIty in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbred Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Well, the olympics is on you know Whats the excuse given when the olympics isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Whats the excuse given when the olympics isnt it? I believe they're usually working furiously in their constituencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Reading this thread makes me realise how unlucky Mrs Miggins is! To the tune of My Old mans a dustman................ Mrs.Miggins Is a Gashead she wears a Gasheads hat But since she joined the police......she's got her council flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbred Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I believe they're usually working furiously in their constituencies. Yeah I forgot that! The one week when they come to see if your voting for them. Must be hard work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I believe they're usually working furiously in their constituencies. Some MPs do work furiously for their constituency and for their country e.g. Teresa May at the Police Federation Conference at Bournemouth last year. The Police put up the backdrop banner at the back of Teresa May stating that cutting Police by 20% is criminal. Cutting Police by 20% is the way forward given overpolicing at football matches, festivals and other soft targets for Police overtime. As stated by a commentator to this Police Conference event: I wonder how much public money was spent putting up the backdrop in the first place and how much the wage bill was for the Police audience to sit there heckling? The police are like the Greeks; they want to retire before everyone else (with index linked pension) and spend more time in retirement than they actually did working. Today was a reality check….hence the silence......... Source: http://andrewlainton.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/teresa-may-attempts-to-tamper-with-scene-of-pr-crime-and-falls-into-perfect-police-trap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Mosquito Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I agree everyone has to take some of the cuts on the chin and the police are no exception but why are so many ppl anti police. Surely the more police there are the better. Look at the riots last year. I kno no major trouble since but even so. I agree sometimes there seems excessive police at football but even so...I'm sure all the ppl slagging the police off would be the first to moan if a really serious incident happend one day and there wasn't enough Maybe this view is just too logical and unrealistic! Policing was far better during the 1970s when I was a lad when there was the local - almost friendly - beat Bobby to be feared and respected. At least the local beat Bobby used to make conversation and was more human and didn't wander around with German Alsation attack dogs at the ready and an arsenal of weapons and armour suitable for a battlefield. Our Police now buy in attack dogs from Germany that are far more vicious than the British bred Alsation varieties - that says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Policing was far better during the 1970s when I was a lad when there was the local - almost friendly - beat Bobby to be feared and respected. At least the local beat Bobby used to make conversation and was more human and didn't wander around with German Alsation attack dogs at the ready and an arsenal of weapons and armour suitable for a battlefield. Our Police now buy in attack dogs from Germany that are far more vicious than the British bred Alsation varieties - that says it all really. But was the country safer? I was born in 80s but for example football is safer now than in the 70s. Was there more or less trouble on the streets in the 70s than today? Or is it the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I agree everyone has to take some of the cuts on the chin and the police are no exception but why are so many ppl anti police. Surely the more police there are the better. Look at the riots last year. I kno no major trouble since but even so. I agree sometimes there seems excessive police at football but even so...I'm sure all the ppl slagging the police off would be the first to moan if a really serious incident happend one day and there wasn't enough Maybe this view is just too logical and unrealistic! Trust me when I say on Friday night in the local area there are no where near enough Police to handle all the calls. Its not about cutting wages its cutting numbers that is worrying and when you need them the most, they may not be able to turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Policing was far better during the 1970s when I was a lad when there was the local - almost friendly - beat Bobby to be feared and respected. At least the local beat Bobby used to make conversation and was more human and didn't wander around with German Alsation attack dogs at the ready and an arsenal of weapons and armour suitable for a battlefield. Our Police now buy in attack dogs from Germany that are far more vicious than the British bred Alsation varieties - that says it all really. Twaddle, the beat bobby is still about but you prob only got 2 or 3 on in one area a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 You should all consider reading this. http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/ Look I have a chequered past and still have an 'interesting' life but most Police,unless you are being a right knobjockey will give you the benefit ONCE . When I,along with Villa, Brum,WHU, Liverpool and Charlton CU lads went to Rememberence day to ensure MAC didn't try to burn anymore poppies or abuse ex-servicemen,the Police were fair.We didn't cause any trouble and they left us alone (except follow us about for a bit). When the EDL muppets were kettled in the pub and 'escorted' to various Police stations we were in a different one,not 100m away having Lunch and a pint. We had 1 PCSO around and no hassle. Left London at 4.30 with no issues. My point being they are generally fair if you are in return. The hassles of the student riots indicated that the Police have to get heavy handed - the British Police are unarmed and don't even have water cannon. The only Western country not to. The state of those 2 female constables who were beaten to shite by 'Students' gives an idea why next time their colleagues might not be nice (kettling the students next time for example) but if that was my missus or colleague I can't say I'd be too happy either. Sadly they don't help themselves when 'Tomlinson" cases come around. And thats where the problems lie. I agree with this. I would add, they can bring problems on themselves by not knowing the law, and this is bought to a head with Smart asses, who know 1 or two laws inside out, that then try and beat the police with it and make them look small. The great percentage of police do a great job. In terms of policing football. Well thos people that say the Police shouldn't be there, are also the first people to blame the police when the knobjockeys on both sides what to kick 11 bails out of each other. I find it amising, damned if they do damned if they don't if there were not the knuckle dragging numbskulls that paraded about outside and occasionally inside football grounds, police bills would be lower, so Football team bills would be lower. a minority of assholes bring it on themselves. No assholes, a whole lot less police. on a flip side, there are also a small percentage of Police, that join the service, just so they can rough people up. If they are not given that chance, by better internal governance, and covering up, then a better pubic opinion would be had. Over all , I think you will find, we don't know how lucky we are with our police force. I have travelled all over the world, and have to say, Our police force is the least brutal least corrupt one I have come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Some MPs do work furiously for their constituency and for their country e.g. Teresa May at the Police Federation Conference at Bournemouth last year. The Police put up the backdrop banner at the back of Teresa May stating that cutting Police by 20% is criminal. Cutting Police by 20% is the way forward given overpolicing at football matches, festivals and other soft targets for Police overtime. As stated by a commentator to this Police Conference event: I wonder how much public money was spent putting up the backdrop in the first place and how much the wage bill was for the Police audience to sit there heckling? The police are like the Greeks; they want to retire before everyone else (with index linked pension) and spend more time in retirement than they actually did working. Today was a reality check….hence the silence......... Source: http://andrewlainton...ct-police-trap/ To be fair to the coppers there, the Police Federation is their union so they would've been sitting heckling in their own time and the banner would've come out of their subs. That said, you are right that the overtimeissue needed to be tackled. Judging by Saturday's match, I'm not so sure it has! Hopefully Theresa [not Teresa May, she was the model in the Smack My Bitch Up video] will now turn her attention to looking into the amount of time banks hang on to customer's money when 'clearing' cheques and BACS payments. Unlikely she'll do that as she used to work for the Association of Payment Clearance Services.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 To be fair to the coppers there, the Police Federation is their union so they would've been sitting heckling in their own time and the banner would've come out of their subs. That said, you are right that the overtimeissue needed to be tackled. Judging by Saturday's match, I'm not so sure it has! Hopefully Theresa [not Teresa May, she was the model in the Smack My Bitch Up video] will now turn her attention to looking into the amount of time banks hang on to customer's money when 'clearing' cheques and BACS payments. Unlikely she'll do that as she used to work for the Association of Payment Clearance Services.... Theresa May may look like a low grade bank clerk but she did well at that Police Conference and said what needed to be said to the Police as far as I'm concerned. In contrast, the Labour Party caved in to the Police and gave them overly generous pay rises and pensions the country can't now afford and all the powers of the Police state from George Orwell's 1984 nightmare as well. Further to my reply above about the 1970s, Policing was better with more perceived integrity and the country was safer from crime - especially safer from thefts and robberies - for whatever reasons. Apparently, there are also far more Police now than during the 1970s - apart from at football I hardly see any patrolling on foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Theresa May may look like a low grade bank clerk but she did well at that Police Conference and said what needed to be said to the Police as far as I'm concerned. In contrast, the Labour Party caved in to the Police and gave them overly generous pay rises and pensions the country can't now afford and all the powers of the Police state from George Orwell's 1984 nightmare as well. Further to my reply above about the 1970s, Policing was better with more perceived integrity and the country was safer from crime - especially safer from thefts and robberies - for whatever reasons. Apparently, there are also far more Police now than during the 1970s - apart from at football I hardly see any patrolling on foot. Nice to see she is refusing her pay increases, her final salary and agreeing for her pension to be lowered. Double standards from the woman. Until politicians denounce their pay rises, theit pensions (which can be accumulated far quicker than a public sector worker) and at a much higher rate, and are stopped from having the ability of voting on the increase of their own pensions. Then quite frankly, she should keep her Damn mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Nice to see she is refusing her pay increases, her final salary and agreeing for her pension to be lowered. Double standards from the woman. Until politicians denounce their pay rises, theit pensions (which can be accumulated far quicker than a public sector worker) and at a much higher rate, and are stopped from having the ability of voting on the increase of their own pensions. Then quite frankly, she should keep her Damn mouth shut. .....but Theresa May was elected and is paid to open her mouth and to represent her constituents and Parliamentary democracy. In my opinion, the Police afforded more protection to more individuals and property - via foot patrols etc - during the 1970s. These days, Police seem to be being increasingly organized into storm units to protect the rule of the state rather than the individual. Police are becoming alienated as a result and causing even more animosity by having to make massive financial charges against football clubs etc. I'm not sure who made this rod for the backs of the Police - whether the Government or Police or both - but generally there was definately a hell of a lot more respect for the Police during the 1970s when they were on foot and talking to more people on their foot patrols. Maybe just my perception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Theresa May may look like a low grade bank clerk but she did well at that Police Conference and said what needed to be said to the Police as far as I'm concerned. In contrast, the Labour Party caved in to the Police and gave them overly generous pay rises and pensions the country can't now afford and all the powers of the Police state from George Orwell's 1984 nightmare as well. Further to my reply above about the 1970s, Policing was better with more perceived integrity and the country was safer from crime - especially safer from thefts and robberies - for whatever reasons. Apparently, there are also far more Police now than during the 1970s - apart from at football I hardly see any patrolling on foot. You say over generous, but 10 to 15 hour days, abuse at every turn, telling someone their mum is dead, is not an easy job, putting your life at risk everyday etc.etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Theresa May may look like a low grade bank clerk but she did well at that Police Conference and said what needed to be said to the Police as far as I'm concerned. In contrast, the Labour Party caved in to the Police and gave them overly generous pay rises and pensions the country can't now afford and all the powers of the Police state from George Orwell's 1984 nightmare as well. Further to my reply above about the 1970s, Policing was better with more perceived integrity and the country was safer from crime - especially safer from thefts and robberies - for whatever reasons. Apparently, there are also far more Police now than during the 1970s - apart from at football I hardly see any patrolling on foot. Far more Police but our popluation has massively grown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 You should all consider reading this. http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/ Look I have a chequered past and still have an 'interesting' life but most Police,unless you are being a right knobjockey will give you the benefit ONCE . When I,along with Villa, Brum,WHU, Liverpool and Charlton CU lads went to Rememberence day to ensure MAC didn't try to burn anymore poppies or abuse ex-servicemen,the Police were fair.We didn't cause any trouble and they left us alone (except follow us about for a bit). When the EDL muppets were kettled in the pub and 'escorted' to various Police stations we were in a different one,not 100m away having Lunch and a pint. We had 1 PCSO around and no hassle. Left London at 4.30 with no issues. My point being they are generally fair if you are in return. The hassles of the student riots indicated that the Police have to get heavy handed - the British Police are unarmed and don't even have water cannon. The only Western country not to. The state of those 2 female constables who were beaten to shite by 'Students' gives an idea why next time their colleagues might not be nice (kettling the students next time for example) but if that was my missus or colleague I can't say I'd be too happy either. Sadly they don't help themselves when 'Tomlinson" cases come around. And thats where the problems lie. Aren't you the one who completely embarrased himself a few months back with all your outlandish statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 .....but Theresa May was elected and is paid to open her mouth and to represent her constituents and Parliamentary democracy. In my opinion, the Police afforded more protection to more individuals and property - via foot patrols etc - during the 1970s. These days, Police seem to be being increasingly organized into storm units to protect the rule of the state rather than the individual. Police are becoming alienated as a result and causing even more animosity by having to make massive financial charges against football clubs etc. I'm not sure who made this rod for the backs of the Police - whether the Government or Police or both - but generally there was definately a hell of a lot more respect for the Police during the 1970s when they were on foot and talking to more people on their foot patrols. Maybe just my perception? That is utter garbage about being a storm unit, Every day The police deal with "facebook" threats and frankly crime which isnt even crime, the oath says it all and the police cant no act5 as an agent for anyone unless protecting the property or human life. They dont discriminate against someone who earns 1 million or 1 pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 .....but Theresa May was elected and is paid to open her mouth and to represent her constituents and Parliamentary democracy. In my opinion, the Police afforded more protection to more individuals and property - via foot patrols etc - during the 1970s. These days, Police seem to be being increasingly organized into storm units to protect the rule of the state rather than the individual. Police are becoming alienated as a result and causing even more animosity by having to make massive financial charges against football clubs etc. I'm not sure who made this rod for the backs of the Police - whether the Government or Police or both - but generally there was definately a hell of a lot more respect for the Police during the 1970s when they were on foot and talking to more people on their foot patrols. Maybe just my perception? Do we get to vote on their pay increases as well? As for what they police now, well a larger population, cybercrime, international crime, more terrorism threats, traffic. Etc etc etc. There is more to policing than just bobbys on the beat, and a lot more things to police than in the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 That is utter garbage about being a storm unit, Every day The police deal with "facebook" threats and frankly crime which isnt even crime, the oath says it all and the police cant no act5 as an agent for anyone unless protecting the property or human life. They dont discriminate against someone who earns 1 million or 1 pound. I don't believe you. There is discrimination with regards to Police protection. For example Police 'golden boy', known liar and EU loving traitor politician Tony Blair is afforded massive protection by Police protecting Blair against those trying to perform a legitimate citizens arrest on Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 That is utter garbage about being a storm unit, Every day The police deal with "facebook" threats and frankly crime which isnt even crime, the oath says it all and the police cant no act5 as an agent for anyone unless protecting the property or human life. They dont discriminate against someone who earns 1 million or 1 pound. .....what about Tony Martin the Norfolk farmer !!!!!! The poor bloke was hounded by burglars and 'phoned the Police on many occasions - as did his neighbours who were also continually being broken into. No sign of any Police protection to protect their life and property. Then Tony Martin shoots the buglars that were stalking him and the Police turn up as a storm unit against him. The Police follow the guidance of the government of the day - no matter how crass and stupid that government may be i.e. Tony Blair's anti-Englishman regime. Had Tony Martin shot those burglars in the U.S. state of Texas then he would have got a commendation and a big $ reward. The Norfolk Police responsible for allowing so many burglaries should have been prosecuted for dereliction of duty - they were quite happy to claim their pay from the taxpayer but didn't want to protect the property of those taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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