Chivs Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Am I the only person who cheered when hearing that Team GB Men's team had been knocked out of the Olympics? Yesterday, whilst flicking through the Olympic channels I came across Robbie Savage and Martin Keown on BBC 3 just before the game. I literally felt queasy and switched over immediately. Watching the rowing, cycling and swimming, I realise now just how dirty and sordid football is. All the athletes have been down to earth and articulate about their sports. In fact, just the opposite of footballers. How does Stuart Pearce justify making Ryan Giggs his captain. He's a man whom fellow players will say "I admire his wizardry on the wing but I wouldn't introduce him to the wife". Let's be clear, Giggs is a fantastic club footballer. He's also a little shit of a man. And Pearce, in the sordid world of football, thought nothing of making him captain. "Unbelievable" as the ever more boring Hansen would say. Of course I generalise. There are many good people who are footballers. Drogba has done much charity work in his own country. David James, previously of this manor, similarly has done charity work and is as articulate as the poshest rowing boy. But they are the exception and I come to realise that arrogant, obnoxious, uneducated, unappreciative people are not the only option for world class sportsmen and women. So, good riddance to the men's football team. I'm glad they are out of the competition. And that's the first time ever I have said that about any team I'm supposed to be supporting. I hope that Scudamore, Murdoch, Lineker and all the other people soiled by English football's grubby touch will sit up and notice. I wouldn't hold my breath. I can only hope that I never start to feel the same way about Bristol City... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Am I the only person who cheered when hearing that Team GB Men's team had been knocked out of the Olympics? Yesterday, whilst flicking through the Olympic channels I came across Robbie Savage and Martin Keown on BBC 3 just before the game. I literally felt queasy and switched over immediately. Watching the rowing, cycling and swimming, I realise now just how dirty and sordid football is. All the athletes have been down to earth and articulate about their sports. In fact, just the opposite of footballers. How does Stuart Pearce justify making Ryan Giggs his captain. He's a man whom fellow players will say "I admire his wizardry on the wing but I wouldn't introduce him to the wife". Let's be clear, Giggs is a fantastic club footballer. He's also a little shit of a man. And Pearce, in the sordid world of football, thought nothing of making him captain. "Unbelievable" as the ever more boring Hansen would say. Of course I generalise. There are many good people who are footballers. Drogba has done much charity work in his own country. David James, previously of this manor, similarly has done charity work and is as articulate as the poshest rowing boy. But they are the exception and I come to realise that arrogant, obnoxious, uneducated, unappreciative people are not the only option for world class sportsmen and women. So, good riddance to the men's football team. I'm glad they are out of the competition. And that's the first time ever I have said that about any team I'm supposed to be supporting. I hope that Scudamore, Murdoch, Lineker and all the other people soiled by English football's grubby touch will sit up and notice. I wouldn't hold my breath. I can only hope that I never start to feel the same way about Bristol City... Can't say I was bothered about them and don't care that they're out. Scots not involved, Welsh players not singing the anthem, even some boos in Cardiff and worst of all a team that I should be supporting having Craig Bellamy in it. The sooner the Scots b*gger off and we knock down the Severn Bridges the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Watching the athletes in other sport I admire all the effort they put in training to be the best no detail is left to chance. Then you watch our footballers take penaltys and quite frankly it's a disgrace . Do they try to improve themselves , do they strive to be the best they can , no. Once they get their big contract they don't give a toss. It's totally shameful that they don't practise penaltys , it's like Andy Murray not practising serving or a golfer not practising putting. The GB footballers should look in the mirror and ask themselves did I do everything possible and did I prepare myself to win gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Squirrel Kingdom Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 So how many Welsh and Scottish players and staff have we got at City at the moment then? If you hate football that much, then this isn't really the place for you is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think calling up all the professionals for the Olympics is a bit ridiculous anyway. The games were supposed to be about amateurs who trained for the event, not the likes of Andy Murray who play it compeititvely anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think calling up all the professionals for the Olympics is a bit ridiculous anyway. The games were supposed to be about amateurs who trained for the event, not the likes of Andy Murray who play it compeititvely anyway. Don't athlete's have all their diamond league stuff as well though? So its not like they don't compete competitively throughout the year with world championships etc as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think calling up all the professionals for the Olympics is a bit ridiculous anyway. The games were supposed to be about amateurs who trained for the event, not the likes of Andy Murray who play it compeititvely anyway. It's a different era now . The majority of all the competors are all professional . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Totally agree. Seeing the cheating Neymar dive last night to get an opponent sent off made me realise professional footballers have no place at the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Was a one-off entry for Team GB, so we don't have to worry about it again. Shame they are out but never mind. Means the success of all our other sportsmen and women will not have to contend with the footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Am I the only person who cheered when hearing that Team GB Men's team had been knocked out of the Olympics? Yesterday, whilst flicking through the Olympic channels I came across Robbie Savage and Martin Keown on BBC 3 just before the game. I literally felt queasy and switched over immediately. Watching the rowing, cycling and swimming, I realise now just how dirty and sordid football is. All the athletes have been down to earth and articulate about their sports. In fact, just the opposite of footballers. How does Stuart Pearce justify making Ryan Giggs his captain. He's a man whom fellow players will say "I admire his wizardry on the wing but I wouldn't introduce him to the wife". Let's be clear, Giggs is a fantastic club footballer. He's also a little shit of a man. And Pearce, in the sordid world of football, thought nothing of making him captain. "Unbelievable" as the ever more boring Hansen would say. Of course I generalise. There are many good people who are footballers. Drogba has done much charity work in his own country. David James, previously of this manor, similarly has done charity work and is as articulate as the poshest rowing boy. But they are the exception and I come to realise that arrogant, obnoxious, uneducated, unappreciative people are not the only option for world class sportsmen and women. So, good riddance to the men's football team. I'm glad they are out of the competition. And that's the first time ever I have said that about any team I'm supposed to be supporting. I hope that Scudamore, Murdoch, Lineker and all the other people soiled by English football's grubby touch will sit up and notice. I wouldn't hold my breath. I can only hope that I never start to feel the same way about Bristol City... I understand your point that football has become a bit of a joke compared to the true heroes of sport such as Farrah, Ennis and Wiggins. But as someone who was very reluctant to take up supporting a mixed nations team, a thoroughly enjoyed the football and would welcome Team GB back at the next olympics. Having said that I did prefer the women's tournament to the mens - in some instances the quality of football was better and they had the right attitude, just lacking in the application to take them all the way. Plus, Giggs may have been a bit of a shit with his private life - but that's just it, his private life. I couldn't care less about that - I'd rather remember him as being the finest player Wales has every produced and actually quite a charitable guy too: http://news.bbc.co.u...ter/7508195.stm Edit: One thing to take from these tournaments, don't let our goalkeepers pull faces or act like monkeys on the goal line during a penalty shoot out - it's plain embarassing when the striker slots a simple side foot past them every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Night84 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Pearce is an awful manager, he hasn't achieved anything and worringly it seems like the football community is respecting him because of his ties to the horrendous England setup. GB, with the players available to them, should have breezed through to at least the Semi's if not Final. But ultimately I don't think any sport, where winning an Olympic gold isn't the biggest achievement, should be involved in the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grove park city Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Given the so called spirit of the olympics football has no part in it Team GB waste of time and good riddance 3rd rate hotch potch of a squad . Gained nothing by entering apart from the nightmare of souless,plastic football watched by a conned public creating a nothing atmosphere watched half of one game fell asleep bored to tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Totally agree. Seeing the cheating Neymar dive last night to get an opponent sent off made me realise professional footballers have no place at the Olympics. But the cheats chambers and miller do hey?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Am I the only person who cheered when hearing that Team GB Men's team had been knocked out of the Olympics? Yesterday, whilst flicking through the Olympic channels I came across Robbie Savage and Martin Keown on BBC 3 just before the game. I literally felt queasy and switched over immediately. Watching the rowing, cycling and swimming, I realise now just how dirty and sordid football is. All the athletes have been down to earth and articulate about their sports. In fact, just the opposite of footballers. How does Stuart Pearce justify making Ryan Giggs his captain. He's a man whom fellow players will say "I admire his wizardry on the wing but I wouldn't introduce him to the wife". Let's be clear, Giggs is a fantastic club footballer. He's also a little shit of a man. And Pearce, in the sordid world of football, thought nothing of making him captain. "Unbelievable" as the ever more boring Hansen would say. Of course I generalise. There are many good people who are footballers. Drogba has done much charity work in his own country. David James, previously of this manor, similarly has done charity work and is as articulate as the poshest rowing boy. But they are the exception and I come to realise that arrogant, obnoxious, uneducated, unappreciative people are not the only option for world class sportsmen and women. So, good riddance to the men's football team. I'm glad they are out of the competition. And that's the first time ever I have said that about any team I'm supposed to be supporting. I hope that Scudamore, Murdoch, Lineker and all the other people soiled by English football's grubby touch will sit up and notice. I wouldn't hold my breath. I can only hope that I never start to feel the same way about Bristol City... Disagree, this is probably the last time you will see a GB football team, so they are worth supporting. As for the fact the are not educated? I'd put that down to their schooling not their ability to play football. Yes, most are over paid, but they have been for a long time. Even the average BC player is on 5-10K a week I certainly don't earn that kind of money. Playing the game in Cardiff was a little odd I'll grant you that, but it is the GB team! The football wasn't great, but then again they didn't have any prep for the games either. There are a few players that really excelled IMO and thought it was a great opportunity to see some other names on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil78 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Had a bit of a rant last night with on this last night, Olympics Football will always have place, after all it has beem going longer than the world cup and but maybe not in the current forum Firstly women's football, it's impossible to guess how much of an positive effect this will have on the ladies team, it's the first time they have really be shown and give the publically on such a huge stage, 70k plus at wembley and major media coverage has firmly them firmly on the map and given the team the respect they deserve for their performances. As for the men's, it was very much a thrown together team who were expected to instantly gel, us Brits don't respect the competition because simply we've never qualified for it before and unless we improve at u21 level we won't be qualifiying again. south american, african and Asian teams take the competition seriously because it's a rare chance to impress on the world stage as was shown by the squads brought, personally going forward I'd scrap the overage rule, u23's ONLY the likes of Giggs, Bellamy and Richards added nothing and would have been better to keep it as men's under 23 competition. It will be there in Brazil 2016, however unlikely that the GB team will unless we turn around our youth setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 GB, with the players available to them, should have breezed through to at least the Semi's if not Final. Sorry but I just don't understand this way of thinking. When it comes down to World football we aren't that good. We have proved it time and time again, it's only because our club sides are full of foreign talent that they win anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Totally agree. Seeing the cheating Neymar dive last night to get an opponent sent off made me realise professional footballers have no place at the Olympics. I think they use video footage to judge in the matches, thats the only upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Disagree, this is probably the last time you will see a GB football team, so they are worth supporting. As for the fact the are not educated? I'd put that down to their schooling not their ability to play football. Yes, most are over paid, but they have been for a long time. Even the average BC player is on 5-10K a week I certainly don't earn that kind of money. Playing the game in Cardiff was a little odd I'll grant you that, but it is the GB team! The football wasn't great, but then again they didn't have any prep for the games either. There are a few players that really excelled IMO and thought it was a great opportunity to see some other names on the pitch. Quite a few people have misinterpreted my words. I have no problem with a Team GB (literally Team GB&N.I.) team. I'd be quite happy to support this team from a geographical perspective. My problem is with the idiot morons playing for "our" team. It reminds me of the depressing EPL season that is just around the corner (with attendant Lineker, Hansen and Lawrenson sycophancy). The interviews last night with Mo, Greg and Jess showed how sports people could all be articulate and just damn friendly people. You'd be hard pressed to find three premiershit footballers like that. Farrar said that he trains 120 miles a week. If we assume he has Sunday off this means he runs 20 miles each and every day! Most footballers can't even be bothered to get to the afternoon before knocking off. I'm just pointing out that this Olympics has been fantastic and part of that is finding professional sports people whom I can respect. Most of the morning I've been talking about "Jess". I've never met her but I'm already on shortened first name terms. I'd rather cut off my toes with a blunt spoon than meet "Wazzer", "StevieG" or "JT". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everreddy Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Quite a few people have misinterpreted my words. I have no problem with a Team GB (literally Team GB&N.I.) team. I'd be quite happy to support this team from a geographical perspective. My problem is with the idiot morons playing for "our" team. It reminds me of the depressing EPL season that is just around the corner (with attendant Lineker, Hansen and Lawrenson sycophancy). The interviews last night with Mo, Greg and Jess showed how sports people could all be articulate and just damn friendly people. You'd be hard pressed to find three premiershit footballers like that. Farrar said that he trains 120 miles a week. If we assume he has Sunday off this means he runs 20 miles each and every day! Most footballers can't even be bothered to get to the afternoon before knocking off. I'm just pointing out that this Olympics has been fantastic and part of that is finding professional sports people whom I can respect. Most of the morning I've been talking about "Jess". I've never met her but I'm already on shortened first name terms. I'd rather cut off my toes with a blunt spoon than meet "Wazzer", "StevieG" or "JT". Absolutely agree with all comments from this poster - its exactly how I've been feeling. The Brit Olympians have done us proud, in terms of effort, grit, athleticism, dedication - and articulateness. It puts our top footballers to shame. With earnings we can only dream of, these footballers have a responsibility to act responsibly, within the rules, and to provide a positive role model for youngsters. I'm utterly disillusioned with the "top" footballers from the Premier League who constantly grunt, whinge and cheat. The Premier League was probably the worst thing that ever happened to football, in this country. If City ever reach the "promised land" (what a misnomer), I hope they recruit players with some dignity, human conscience and humility - as well as skill, flair and endeavour. Rant over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Absolutely agree with all comments from this poster - its exactly how I've been feeling. The Brit Olympians have done us proud, in terms of effort, grit, athleticism, dedication - and articulateness. It puts our top footballers to shame. With earnings we can only dream of, these footballers have a responsibility to act responsibly, within the rules, and to provide a positive role model for youngsters. I'm utterly disillusioned with the "top" footballers from the Premier League who constantly grunt, whinge and cheat. The Premier League was probably the worst thing that ever happened to football, in this country. If City ever reach the "promised land" (what a misnomer), I hope they recruit players with some dignity, human conscience and humility - as well as skill, flair and endeavour. Rant over... I totally agree with your impassioned denunciation (rant) of our football elite. In comparison to the British team rowers, cyclists, canoeists, track and fielders and others - that have been hauling in golds after years of genuine hard training and hardship - the footballers are seen for what they really are - overpaid prima donnas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Team GB minus the Team would be better for starters. I mean are we all considered completely dumb by whomever came up with that word? Is it suspected that without that word we might all think its Individual GB? Why is it not Team Germany, or Team China or Team USA? Just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Team GB minus the Team would be better for starters. I mean are we all considered completely dumb by whomever came up with that word? Is it suspected that without that word we might all think its Individual GB? Why is it not Team Germany, or Team China or Team USA? Just dumb. What's happened to 'Team Cuba'?.....they used to dominate the boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Am I the only person who cheered when hearing that Team GB Men's team had been knocked out of the Olympics? Yesterday, whilst flicking through the Olympic channels I came across Robbie Savage and Martin Keown on BBC 3 just before the game. I literally felt queasy and switched over immediately. Watching the rowing, cycling and swimming, I realise now just how dirty and sordid football is. All the athletes have been down to earth and articulate about their sports. In fact, just the opposite of footballers. How does Stuart Pearce justify making Ryan Giggs his captain. He's a man whom fellow players will say "I admire his wizardry on the wing but I wouldn't introduce him to the wife". Let's be clear, Giggs is a fantastic club footballer. He's also a little shit of a man. And Pearce, in the sordid world of football, thought nothing of making him captain. "Unbelievable" as the ever more boring Hansen would say. Of course I generalise. There are many good people who are footballers. Drogba has done much charity work in his own country. David James, previously of this manor, similarly has done charity work and is as articulate as the poshest rowing boy. But they are the exception and I come to realise that arrogant, obnoxious, uneducated, unappreciative people are not the only option for world class sportsmen and women. So, good riddance to the men's football team. I'm glad they are out of the competition. And that's the first time ever I have said that about any team I'm supposed to be supporting. I hope that Scudamore, Murdoch, Lineker and all the other people soiled by English football's grubby touch will sit up and notice. I wouldn't hold my breath. I can only hope that I never start to feel the same way about Bristol City... I don't disagree with everything you've said but the crux of your argument seems to be that because rowers are well spoken and articulate they must be less of a scumbag than a footballer. Perhaps they are more articulate and well spoken because of their public school education? For all you know Mr Rower could beat his wife every night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Team GB minus the Team would be better for starters. I mean are we all considered completely dumb by whomever came up with that word? Is it suspected that without that word we might all think its Individual GB? Why is it not Team Germany, or Team China or Team USA? Just dumb. It is Team USA is it not? Thats where we got the term from and I hate it. Anyway I wouldnt say I cheered the fact that we are out, cus it could of been another medal for GB, but Im not to bothered about it. Was a bit of a joke of a squad, and had a joke of a manager in charge, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't disagree with everything you've said but the crux of your argument seems to be that because rowers are well spoken and articulate they must be less of a scumbag than a footballer. Perhaps they are more articulate and well spoken because of their public school education? For all you know Mr Rower could beat his wife every night ............Paul Gascoigne used to beat his wife up and he was idolized by BBC football commentators. An Olympian rower in training would have no energy left after training to even kick the cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 ............Paul Gascoigne used to beat his wife up and he was idolized by BBC football commentators. An Olympian rower in training would have no energy left after training to even kick the cat. What a great argument... One feted footballer knocked his wife about and all Olympic rowers are too knackered to be assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales From The Front Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 First thing I would like to say is how refreshing and genuine some of the post event interviews have been. A lot of the olympians (Rowers for example) appear not to have had much PR training so you get their true reaction / delight at winning / compeating rather than the standard politian type interview. Secondly I wish we could just enjoy all the GB competitors and appreciate their skill, effort and humility without everyone always comparing it to football. People always compare anything negative in sport to football or say how much better it is than football. There is no need at all for this in my view. Don't get me wrong there is a lot wrong with football as a sport and also with elements of those that play and support it. But why in a moment of great national pride and celebration we have to use football as a constant barometer is ridculous, surely its much better to celebrate the achievement of the Likes of Jessica Ennis Mo Farrah, Bradley Wiggins, the rowing squad, the cycling squad, etc etc etc Football remains a power of good in the world, if you look at the rise of African football for instance, the sport gives great opportunity to players and teams to leave the poverty trap and then put some of their newly generated wealth back into the communities from which they came. Specifically with regard Team GB, the olympics have rasied the profile imeasurably of Hope Powell's teaM and will undoubtley provide a legacy to womens football. As for the men there is nothing new to change the opinion of football fans, the same issues that affect the English national team remain prevalant. A reliance on playing long balls down the channels for quick forwards remains pretty much the standard tactic, with as someone else posted a reliance on foreign talent for technical ability in our doemstic football. Hopefully this will change and a development of U23 players with more technical ability is very important so the olympics in my opinion will very much have a part to play in our improvment for all the Associations within the UK. I hope they doen't waste the opportunity with internal petty politics. One thing football could learn from other sports most definantely is that quality coaching is vital in order to deliever good results. British cycling shows football the way in this respect for example. Slowly football is waking up to this as show within City's own academy with many more staff being taken on, hopefully improving our young players in the years to come. As well as the dedication and sacrafice that is necessary to reach the top in any sport. Hopefully the fair play legislation will end the gravy train. PS Well done Andy Murray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 What a great argument... One feted footballer knocked his wife about and all Olympic rowers are too knackered to be assholes You should watch the film Ben Hur starring Charlton Heston. In that film the rowers are whipped to promote greater effort for victory for their Caesar. For all you know - therefore - it could be the wives of the rowers whipping and generally brutalizing their Olympian husbands as part their rowing training schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Personally I reckon there should be 5 a side footy in the Olympics . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Personally I reckon there should be 5 a side footy in the Olympics . Futsal would be a good addition or replacement for 11 a side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 But ultimately I don't think any sport, where winning an Olympic gold isn't the biggest achievement, should be involved in the games. In that case you can take away Wiggins' medal then, as winning the Tour de France is the single biggest achievement in his sport. So, I think you're wrong here, sorry fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashton Great Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 In that case you can take away Wiggins' medal then, as winning the Tour de France is the single biggest achievement in his sport. So, I think you're wrong here, sorry fella. Can't agree with that, the Olympic time trial and the tour de france are very different events. Bit like comparing the 100m sprint with the marathon, they're both running but that's where the comparison ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't disagree with everything you've said but the crux of your argument seems to be that because rowers are well spoken and articulate they must be less of a scumbag than a footballer. Perhaps they are more articulate and well spoken because of their public school education? For all you know Mr Rower could beat his wife every night You make a fair point. I obviously don't know if the athletes I've recently seen are scumbags or not although I will fight to the death anyone who besmirches my Jess. However, I'm much preferring understanding the down-to-earth interviews compared with Wazzer f'ing and blinding into a Sky camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Night84 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 In that case you can take away Wiggins' medal then, as winning the Tour de France is the single biggest achievement in his sport. So, I think you're wrong here, sorry fella. You're right. Damn. Maybe it comes from the passion of the fans which is still there be it the Tour de France or the Olympics but in in terms of Football I've not felt anything from football fans for the GB team. But then again, maybe that's just international football at any level for England/GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Team GB minus the Team would be better for starters. I mean are we all considered completely dumb by whomever came up with that word? Is it suspected that without that word we might all think its Individual GB? Why is it not Team Germany, or Team China or Team USA? Just dumb. It ought to be 'Team UK' as it includes Northern Ireland (and Isle of Man) members, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rovers-ran-away Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I dot know why but I just dislike Pearce probably because he turned becks away. Should have chosen giggs becks and scholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It ought to be 'Team UK' as it includes Northern Ireland (and Isle of Man) members, anyway. Yes i noticed that as soon as the name was announced, i think the purpose was to bring the 'Great' back into Great Britain. Except it isn't even Great Britain is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I totally agree with your impassioned denunciation (rant) of our football elite. In comparison to the British team rowers, cyclists, canoeists, track and fielders and others - that have been hauling in golds after years of genuine hard training and hardship - the footballers are seen for what they really are - overpaid prima donnas. I completely agree with that. But I do think that we could use the Olympics to bridge that gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Can't agree with that, the Olympic time trial and the tour de france are very different events. Bit like comparing the 100m sprint with the marathon, they're both running but that's where the comparison ends. I agree that they are indeed very different, but young Mr Knight said that he perhaps didn't like to see any 'sports' in the olympics where winning gold is not the biggest achievement in that sport. I am 100% of the opinion that the winning the TdF is the biggest achievement in that 'sport'. For what it's worth, I'm just being a picky git! I'm a huge cycling fan and watched Wiggo over the Pyrenees this year which was amazing, and love the fact he's also won the olympic TT. Also, in terms of the general conversation of the thread, yes, footballers are, in the main, a bunch of cocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashton Great Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I agree that they are indeed very different, but young Mr Knight said that he perhaps didn't like to see any 'sports' in the olympics where winning gold is not the biggest achievement in that sport. I am 100% of the opinion that the winning the TdF is the biggest achievement in that 'sport'. For what it's worth, I'm just being a picky git! I'm a huge cycling fan and watched Wiggo over the Pyrenees this year which was amazing, and love the fact he's also won the olympic TT. Also, in terms of the general conversation of the thread, yes, footballers are, in the main, a bunch of cocks! Certainly can't disagree with your last sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I forgot to ask about Mr Alex Salmond. Does anyone know how he is reacting to the Team "GB" medal success? PS Thanks for the loan of Andy, Sir Chris etc Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Had a bit of a rant last night with on this last night, Olympics Football will always have place, after all it has beem going longer than the world cup and but maybe not in the current forum Firstly women's football, it's impossible to guess how much of an positive effect this will have on the ladies team, it's the first time they have really be shown and give the publically on such a huge stage, 70k plus at wembley and major media coverage has firmly them firmly on the map and given the team the respect they deserve for their performances. As for the men's, it was very much a thrown together team who were expected to instantly gel, us Brits don't respect the competition because simply we've never qualified for it before and unless we improve at u21 level we won't be qualifiying again. south american, african and Asian teams take the competition seriously because it's a rare chance to impress on the world stage as was shown by the squads brought, personally going forward I'd scrap the overage rule, u23's ONLY the likes of Giggs, Bellamy and Richards added nothing and would have been better to keep it as men's under 23 competition. It will be there in Brazil 2016, however unlikely that the GB team will unless we turn around our youth setup You do realise that our absence has never been due to us "not qualifying"? It's because the team hasn't existed for 40 odd years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Night84 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think it's down to how the public view the struggle of footballers and the struggle of other Olympic athletes. Getting paid anywhere up to £100,000 or more whilst you're playing for team GB is completely foreign and unimaginable for the majority of people competing at the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Watching the athletes in other sport I admire all the effort they put in training to be the best no detail is left to chance. Then you watch our footballers take penaltys and quite frankly it's a disgrace . Do they try to improve themselves , do they strive to be the best they can , no. Once they get their big contract they don't give a toss. It's totally shameful that they don't practise penaltys , it's like Andy Murray not practising serving or a golfer not practising putting. The GB footballers should look in the mirror and ask themselves did I do everything possible and did I prepare myself to win gold. Do you not think that goalkeepers don't practice saving them? One cancels out the other, so just because we only score 4 out of 5 penalties, it's hardly a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 But the cheats chambers and miller do hey?? Fair point. Personally I am very uncomfortable with Chambers being in the Olympics, too. Millar has admitted he did wrong and not to excuse it, but it was in a time when doping in cycling was rife. I just find the attitude to sport portrayed by the likes of Neymar and Sturridge totally alien to the Olympic ethos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It ought to be 'Team UK' as it includes Northern Ireland (and Isle of Man) members, anyway. Good point or simply UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 What's happened to 'Team Cuba'?.....they used to dominate the boxing. Certainly is a lean period for Cuba... too many defected, bit like that girl running for Italy in, what was it, the 400 hurdles? She IS Cuban. I think Raul and Co simply think why the heck should we put our athletes through an expensive training program on 4p a month higher salary average with crumbling arena and largely decrepit equipment only to see them defect. Shameful really!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It is Team USA is it not? Thats where we got the term from and I hate it. Anyway I wouldnt say I cheered the fact that we are out, cus it could of been another medal for GB, but Im not to bothered about it. Was a bit of a joke of a squad, and had a joke of a manager in charge, USA?.. I might have known. marketing crap only I don't quite see the marketing benefit. I am not sure why Scotland or N.Ire did not have any representatives? Was it them simply not allowing it or none of the players accepting the invitation? Or was it Dictator Salmond laying the boot in? It should have been obligatory based on population which means we would have had about 17.5 English, 1.7 Scots, 0.6 Welsh and 0.2 from NI. Wales were massively over-represented and yet they refused to sing the national anthem. Frankly?... we should cast em adrift on.... Flat Holm.. no, sorry, Steep Holm. ..that is, those who do not feel part of the UK. I am done with this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Certainly is a lean period for Cuba... too many defected, bit like that girl running for Italy in, what was it, the 400 hurdles? She IS Cuban. I think Raul and Co simply think why the heck should we put our athletes through an expensive training program on 4p a month higher salary average with crumbling arena and largely decrepit equipment only to see them defect. Shameful really!! Communist Cuba looks to be going the same way as former Communist Russia and East Germany/ West Germany - down the Olympic medals table. We've gone up the medals table due to 'disguised' state funding from the National lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think It was doomed when we didn't get the SFA on-board, would love to have seen all parts of GB represented. Not impressed with SP, never really looked in control, I dont think was is diplomatic enough when dealing with other managers, media etc and i wonder what role he actually played, other than Psycho. It failed when we took it too seriously, we had nothing to prove and Pearse tried too hard, I knew for sure we were forked when he dropped Becks...what a complete moron, in the spirit of the game and somone who helped bring the games to London, and is also the most famous footballer on Earth, who is from GB, he drops him, on form, ....omg. The more i think about it the more i think SP was a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Pearce should have been assistant manager for the side, had a good knowledge of the youngsters in the side, however should have had the management left to someone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Anybody with a sky sports prescription please relinquish it now as effectively you are funding these footballers wages and in turn making Murdochs legacy stronger. The footballer isn't to blame for his weekly wage packet, it's just the way football has become..its now an entertainment industry. Murdoch ceased upon a great business opportunity in the early nineties and the arm chair supporter inevitably succombed. As for assassinating the character of these 'pros'...I'll leave that to the day I ever meet them. Its easy to judge after reading a tabloid rag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Do you not think that goalkeepers don't practice saving them? One cancels out the other, so just because we only score 4 out of 5 penalties, it's hardly a disgrace. Im sure goalkeepers from other countries practice saving penalties not sure about the British ones . Our record (Britain/England) is an absolute disgrace in penalty shot outs and it's a total disgrace that football in this country have not tried address this problem over the decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Any other sport would have a specialised coach for taking pens. Just like in Rugby you have a kicking coach why don't the England/Team Gb have a penalty coach. For to long you have had top coaches claiming that you can't practise pens the all mind set is wrong and this would not happen in other sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Any other sport would have a specialised coach for taking pens. Just like in Rugby you have a kicking coach why don't the England/Team Gb have a penalty coach. For to long you have had top coaches claiming that you can't practise pens the all mind set is wrong and this would not happen in other sports. Get Le Tiss in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Communist Cuba looks to be going the same way as former Communist Russia and East Germany/ West Germany - down the Olympic medals table. We've gone up the medals table due to 'disguised' state funding from the National lottery. Surely national lottery funding is 'privatised' state funding? Last time I checked, no one was forcing anyone to buy a lottery ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Surely national lottery funding is 'privatised' state funding? Last time I checked, no one was forcing anyone to buy a lottery ticket .....'disguised' state funding is what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Can't agree with that, the Olympic time trial and the tour de france are very different events. Bit like comparing the 100m sprint with the marathon, they're both running but that's where the comparison ends. In reality it was the Tour de France time trials that won the tour for Wiggins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 .....'disguised' state funding is what I wrote. I know, but I took the inference that you believe lottery funding to be a form of state subsidy. As most of the money comes from individuals buying lottery tickets, I'm pointing out that if it's 'disguised state funding', it is from a privatised source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I know, but I took the inference that you believe lottery funding to be a form of state subsidy. As most of the money comes from individuals buying lottery tickets, I'm pointing out that if it's 'disguised state funding', it is from a privatised source I'm not sure of the exact contract that Camelot has with the UK Government but the Government seems to have dictated to Camelot where the money for 'good causes' is given. Much of that money seems to be financing better sports facilities - an excellent idea as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The game of football is fine - what's wrong is the mass of morons, bullies and thugs that play and watch it. Get rid of this detritus and we will have a sport fit to take it's place alongside athletics. Why is your username red eye........Ah got you...should be black eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think is in summary the connection between footballs and the public is at an all time low. It's up to the players to try and change that now as people are quickly getting wise to the fact there are athletes of all sports out there that are achieving great success without the wealth and ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Out of Interest..What category does Adam Gemili fit into? Being an ex pro at Dagenham & Redbridge now turned into Teenage race sensation by chance is it self indulged, big time Charlie prima Donna or articulate, lovable, Olympian? #justsaying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Out of Interest..What category does Adam Gemili fit into? Being an ex pro at Dagenham & Redbridge now turned into Teenage race sensation by chance is it self indulged, big time Charlie prima Donna or articulate, lovable, Olympian? #justsaying Left the sport which could have seen him make bigger £££ than being a sprinter probably, the switch could have seen him fall flat on his face however he managed to get to the 100m semi final and ran just over 10 secs, so if anything just a change in career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Out of Interest..What category does Adam Gemili fit into? Being an ex pro at Dagenham & Redbridge now turned into Teenage race sensation by chance is it self indulged, big time Charlie prima Donna or articulate, lovable, Olympian? #justsaying I imagine the phrases "big time charlie prima donna" and "Dagenham & Redbridge" have never appeared in the same sentence before. Usain Bolt is an interesting example here. He's undoubtedly a pleasant, articulate guy. He's also a bit up his own arse with all the gestures to camera etc. I suspect when he was a club runner in Jamaica that he was as nice as can be. Now that fame and fortune have caught up with him, he's starting to morph into a premiershit player. Perhaps premiershit players aren't born that way but have loucheness, gaucheness and general all round nasty behaviour thrust upon them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I imagine the phrases "big time charlie prima donna" and "Dagenham & Redbridge" have never appeared in the same sentence before. Usain Bolt is an interesting example here. He's undoubtedly a pleasant, articulate guy. He's also a bit up his own arse with all the gestures to camera etc. I suspect when he was a club runner in Jamaica that he was as nice as can be. Now that fame and fortune have caught up with him, he's starting to morph into a premiershit player. Perhaps premiershit players aren't born that way but have loucheness, gaucheness and general all round nasty behaviour thrust upon them? I was just talking about footballers in general and how easy it is to judge them from a far. I for one would probably find it difficult to control my lifestyle if I earned 100k + per week and was continuously in the public eye. They are arguably in the same category as movie stars and singers in term of fame in this country and look how some of them have turned out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 It's always a bit tricky when you compare our great Olympic athletes with footballers. Like everyone else, I've got nothing but complete admiration for the athletes that basically give up half their lives for a few minutes of glory, earning not much above the minimum wage in the process (well, most of them do). But using the athletes' lack of money as a stick to beat footballers with is a bit unfair. Do you really think Jess Ennis would turn down £100k per week to do the heptathlon, if it was offered to her? There is so much money in football because it is the most popular sport. Once the Olympics has finished, will millions be tuning into or attending your average rowing regatta or swimming meet? Clearly not, (though I'm sure the Olympics will provide a big boost to minor sports.) What the whole football industry does with all its millions is a different question obviously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CardiffBlackLabel Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Slating and condemning all footballballers is both unfair and morally pretty shaky ground. There are more than 2,000 pro's in the UK. You can't condemn them all and claim they are all lacking in morality and integrity. Take 2,000 young men from anywhere on earth, place them in the spotlight and a set percentage of them will get into trouble. Some will have affairs, drive too fast, sleep around, some will inevitably commit criminal offences the same way a set proportion of any 2,000 strong field of men would. I don't hold up the footballing profession as a source for moral guidance, but likewise it's totally unjust to slate them all based on the behaviour of some. And as for athletes; they get up to all kinds of misdemenours, it's just you don't hear about it. The Kenyan who won gold yesterday-up on charges of stabbing someone..we'd have had no idea if they weren't in the spotlight. Money wise, many athletes do okay nowadays. You think Jessica Ennis earns peanuts for her TV adverts? Footballers are overpaid, I agree on that, but we are the mugs for paying the prices.15,000 Bristol City fans paying £20 is £300,000...honestly, where do you think that money should go? To the ones on the pitch, or the chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'd rather cut off my toes with a blunt spoon than meet "Wazzer", "StevieG" or "JT". Especially after they have out for a razz in a night club.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 First thing I would like to say is how refreshing and genuine some of the post event interviews have been. A lot of the olympians (Rowers for example) appear not to have had much PR training so you get their true reaction / delight at winning / compeating rather than the standard politian type interview. That shows the quality of private education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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