Monkeh Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 In all seriousness, would you support the Cardiff boys if they protested or anything? The ramifications for this are far reaching if it happened and basically were are now one step away from the franchise model and a million miles away from your local sports and social club. 'Lets all laugh at Cardiff'? I did at the start, but this is taking it too far. He could fork off after 2 years, having ripped a club apart. It's sad that the prevailing English fan mentality is 'I'm alright Jack'. I've been guilty of it in the past but the truth is none if us are alright. People harp on about the Norwich's of this world and how they do things right, but the issue is deeper than that. They do things right because they CHOOSE to, not because they have to. With these precidents being we are just 1 owner away from having everything you love ripped up. as much as it makes me laugh, in all honesty yes I would fully support the real cardiff fans if the protested, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Not so. The vast majority on here were loud in their condemnation of the new kit, which will rightly be replaced next season. I remember the thread I posted on. People had totally removed the social context of what a sporting club was about. Disaproval of the star trek kit was met with the same "don't you want to get in the premeirship, we lost millions last season, let's see your millions then .." While galloping to the moral high ground similar attitudes, which have created fertile ground for the Cardiff Dragon beast can also still be viewed on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 This is what they deserve for embracing the change, what a pathetic club. I don't know how so many can accept what has happened. And they did embrace it, not just reluctantly accept it. I feel sorry for the minority of diehards who have lost the club they love but the rest can enjoy watching a club that has truly lost its soul. Embarrassing. Cardiff Dragons. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I remember the thread I posted on. People had totally removed the social context of what a sporting club was about. Disaproval of the star trek kit was met with the same "don't you want to get in the premeirship, we lost millions last season, let's see your millions then .." While galloping to the moral high ground similar attitudes, which have created fertile ground for the Cardiff Dragon beast can also still be viewed on here. Indeed, and it's a small and vocal minorirty. The vast majority agreed with you and said so. Just because someone dared to disagree with you doesn't mean that they're in a majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Indeed, and it's a small and vocal minorirty. The vast majority agreed with you and said so. Just because someone dared to disagree with you doesn't mean that they're in a majority. changing the top half of a shirt is a bit different to rebranding an entire club isn't it, We've had loads of different shirt designs over the last 100 years, like it or not sponsership is part of the game and a part that is never ever going to go away, If we however changed our shirt colour (not just the design) to blue then there would truely be outrage, but you can't compare a minor change too a shirt to a rebranding of an entire football club, http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Bristol_City/Bristol_City.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Indeed, and it's a small and vocal minorirty. The vast majority agreed with you and said so. Just because someone dared to disagree with you doesn't mean that they're in a majority. No idea if it was a minority or majority, but the view that creates a similar enviroment to Mr Tan's model is there. I am of an age to remember that once blue in any kit would have been taboo, now it actually can and has been sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Till I'm Dead Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Ahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha!! Cardiff is ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I just read that the Cardiff owners sons name is Robin! So perhaps now that the bluebird has gone he may name Cardiff after his son! Malaysia Robins anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 the mass "Americanisation" of British sport, already started in Rugby League . And in cricket and rugby union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 changing the top half of a shirt is a bit different to rebranding an entire club isn't it, We've had loads of different shirt designs over the last 100 years, like it or not sponsership is part of the game and a part that is never ever going to go away, If we however changed our shirt colour (not just the design) to blue then there would truely be outrage, but you can't compare a minor change too a shirt to a rebranding of an entire football club, http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Bristol_City/Bristol_City.htm I don't know if you remember, but we played in blue for the Mickey Mouse Cup final against Stoke. That uposet a lot of City fans, myself included, and IMHO contributed to our defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I would point out that the situation in Rugby League is quite a bit different to what's happening at Cardiff; all the clubs were asked to come up with nicknames but those nicknames were largely voted for by the fans. Hull & Hull KR declined (possibly due to a large section of support being associated with the football club?) and teams like St Helens, Bradford and Salford simply adopted existing nicknames. To my knowledge, no one changed their colours. However, it does reek somewhat of 'Americanisation' but rugby league is a sport striving to increase it's share of the Market while football remains omnipotent. Anyway, I don't object to the concept of a team changing it's name and team colours so much as I do the manner in which it is happening. If Tan went to the Cardiff fans and said "I reckon I can boost the clubs finances by calling us dragons and playing in red which will allow us to buy superstar players- what d'ya think?" and Crapdiff fans said "ok" then that's up to them. It's more the fact he's waited till there's not a thing they can do about it before essentially saying "this is what's going to happen. I own the club and I have a waiting list for season tickets. I'll do whatever the hell I want". He's treating his scumbag little football club like a play-thing franchise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I would point out that the situation in Rugby League is quite a bit different to what's happening at Cardiff; all the clubs were asked to come up with nicknames but those nicknames were largely voted for by the fans. Hull & Hull KR declined (possibly due to a large section of support being associated with the football club?) and teams like St Helens, Bradford and Salford simply adopted existing nicknames. To my knowledge, no one changed their colours. However, it does reek somewhat of 'Americanisation' but rugby league is a sport striving to increase it's share of the Market while football remains omnipotent. Anyway, I don't object to the concept of a team changing it's name and team colours so much as I do the manner in which it is happening. If Tan went to the Cardiff fans and said "I reckon I can boost the clubs finances by calling us dragons and playing in red which will allow us to buy superstar players- what d'ya think?" and Crapdiff fans said "ok" then that's up to them. It's more the fact he's waited till there's not a thing they can do about it before essentially saying "this is what's going to happen. I own the club and I have a waiting list for season tickets. I'll do whatever the hell I want". He's treating his scumbag little football club like a play-thing franchise... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I don't know if you remember, but we played in blue for the Mickey Mouse Cup final against Stoke. That uposet a lot of City fans, myself included, and IMHO contributed to our defeat I hated that and it was gold and blue not just blue, we were cheated by the ref for that "foul" carey gave away never to this day was it a foul, We had blue in our kit before that in 1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I hated that and it was gold and blue not just blue, we were cheated by the ref for that "foul" carey gave away never to this day was it a foul, We had blue in our kit before that in 1900 Don't remember that far back. I blame the cider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedminster Born And Red Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I would point out that the situation in Rugby League is quite a bit different to what's happening at Cardiff; all the clubs were asked to come up with nicknames but those nicknames were largely voted for by the fans. Hull & Hull KR declined (possibly due to a large section of support being associated with the football club?) and teams like St Helens, Bradford and Salford simply adopted existing nicknames. To my knowledge, no one changed their colours. However, it does reek somewhat of 'Americanisation' but rugby league is a sport striving to increase it's share of the Market while football remains omnipotent. Anyway, I don't object to the concept of a team changing it's name and team colours so much as I do the manner in which it is happening. If Tan went to the Cardiff fans and said "I reckon I can boost the clubs finances by calling us dragons and playing in red which will allow us to buy superstar players- what d'ya think?" and Crapdiff fans said "ok" then that's up to them. It's more the fact he's waited till there's not a thing they can do about it before essentially saying "this is what's going to happen. I own the club and I have a waiting list for season tickets. I'll do whatever the hell I want". He's treating his scumbag little football club like a play-thing franchise... I just hope we don't get this situation widespread in football. Very few if any of the sports who have embraced "Americanisation" have seen sustained improvement in attendances and welfare of the sport as far as I can see. Interesting that Hull and Hull KR where Rugby League is big and the fanbase is predominantly working class were resistant to the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I just hope we don't get this situation widespread in football. Very few if any of the sports who have embraced "Americanisation" have seen sustained improvement in attendances and welfare of the sport as far as I can see. Interesting that Hull and Hull KR where Rugby League is big and the fanbase is predominantly working class were resistant to the change. Rugby League is big in Hull but I don't think it's as big as football- I think the tribalism between the two clubs is what may have kept them out of the nicknames thing, plus 'Hull Kingston Rovers Devils' would be pointless and ridiculous. In the north of England, Rugby League has traditionally been the sport of the working class- it all began because the most talented rugby players were miners and mill workers and dockers and the clubs wanted to pay them a wage to stop them being killed and injured in their dangerous jobs. That's been diluted by the rise of football but it's roots remain in the working classes. I think the willingness to accept kit changes and nicknames is because fans of the game are genuinely keen to spread 'the word' about it and want it to thrive. There's a camaraderie between fans of different teams because they love what is really a minority, fringe sport. Anyway, regardless of the sport involved, what Tan is doing and the way he's going about it are plain wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Apaprently their is already a Cardiff Dragons FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I hated that and it was gold and blue not just blue, we were cheated by the ref for that "foul" carey gave away never to this day was it a foul, We had blue in our kit before that in 1900 And that horrible "Champagne" away kit with light blue trim on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Presumably when this Tan chap flogs the 'brand' after making his millions from the Premiership there is every chance that they will re-brand, maybe even back to Cardiff City ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 A quote from his interview: "If the fans welcome me, I can stay for a long time," he said, promising a further £25m to manager Malky Mackay for new players should they go up, but if I find they are not welcoming and rude, then maybe I will find a new buyer and go off" Ummm, basically thats "Sit down, shut up, Sit down shut up" If i was a crapdiff fan I would start being rude then. simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 The Cardiff fans should be making a song & dance about whats happening, ..... Look what Tans done to our club, Dai, Look what Tans done to our club, He's wrapped it up in a big blue bowl But he's turned the Blue to Red, Dai Look what Tans done to our club. Well we thought his money would be allright, But its all gone f'ing wrong, Dai Look what he's done to our club. Look what money's done to our club,Dai, Look what moneys done to our club, It's turned us into f'ing Dragons, And turned us upside down, Dai, Thats what the fu**ers done to our club La, da, da, da Da, da, da Oh, la, da, da, da Da, da, da La, la, da, da, da-ah... But maybe it'll all be alright, Dai Maybe it'll all be okay 'Cause if people are buying tears Maybe we'll be rich one day, Dai Maybe it'll all be okay http://youtu.be/-ae6xyTVNTU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Wurzel I Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Or they could just do the Tan-go !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Bristol City's kit this season was changed after a hundred years, not by its support but for commercialism. That was justified by fans on here. There are threads regarding plan b and the re-development of Ashton Gate, where the commercialisation of culture, history and tradition is again being mentioned. Fans here also will make their own bed. What are you on about; its changed every year not after 100 years... i know what you mean but get your English sorted ! Changing the name of a club is, more to the point, a monumentally more significant step than changing some coloured bits on a shirt however disgusting our home kit is this year; just had to chip in with another moan about it there Also, the guy talking about other name changes such as Swansea from Town to City is hardly a sensible comparison nor is Hartlepool. Changing a name from City to a pathetically limp and backward step like 'Dragons' is. It is utterly Cringeworthy. Perhaps if he decamps the team to Atlanta, Georgia it might have some merit since they understand 'brands' and 'newness' over there. Tan is way out of his depth with Crapdiff and he is just about to walk off Penarth Pier if he goes ahead with this pathetic idea. Anyway, all of that said, he seems to be suggesting a possible crest alteration rather than official name change... which actually makes even less sense since he has made one change and the club will end up with two names .. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Or they could just do the Tan-go !! they've certainly be Tang-oed .... http://youtu.be/ILPCDMIcjuA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Surely this is a win situation for Blue Cardiff fans everywhere. They can start a new club up who play in Blue and call themselves Cardiff City, because there wouldn't be another club like it in the football league. Cardiff Blue rejoice everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 What are you on about; its changed every year not after 100 years... i know what you mean but get your English sorted ! Changing the name of a club is, more to the point, a monumentally more significant step than changing some coloured bits on a shirt however disgusting our home kit is this year; just had to chip in with another moan about it there Also, the guy talking about other name changes such as Swansea from Town to City is hardly a sensible comparison nor is Hartlepool. Changing a name from City to a pathetically limp and backward step like 'Dragons' is. It is utterly Cringeworthy. Perhaps if he decamps the team to Atlanta, Georgia it might have some merit since they understand 'brands' and 'newness' over there. Tan is way out of his depth with Crapdiff and he is just about to walk off Penarth Pier if he goes ahead with this pathetic idea. Anyway, all of that said, he seems to be suggesting a possible crest alteration rather than official name change... which actually makes even less sense since he has made one change and the club will end up with two names .. Bristol Citys kit this season with its black shoulders and chest is one of a kind. No parallel in the past and the reasoning was solely commercial. A BCFC club director called the club a brand. Same terminology. It is part of the same tapestry and similar thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Bristol Citys kit this season with its black shoulders and chest is one of a kind. No parallel in the past and the reasoning was solely commercial. But the shirt is majority red is it not? No one is suggesting that we don't want to make money and be successful, we just don't want the club to transform into something completely unrecognisable to us. And that is what is happening across the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Pepper Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 That's odd...... We've had a fair few Cardiff (or whatever they were called last week) all over our forum for a while now. Yet not seen any bragging on this thread. Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedminster Born And Red Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 to be fair if he's investing all this money he has the right to do all this, as long as the majority of fans continue to go he doesn't care and when they go up they'll sell out every week. I think that's a bit simplistic. A football club is not just a "business" despite what the likes of Guy Price and Vincent Tan would have us all believe. It's roots are community based and in my view any custodian of the club has a duty to act in the interests of the community he/she has basically bought into. If they spend a shed load of their own cash on the club and make a horlicks of it they have a duty to sort it out. Football clubs should not be toys for mega rich people to spend endless amounts of money on, without consulting the main "stakeholders" using Guy Price language, thats "fans" or "supporters" to most normal people, and when it all goes wrong they just skin out. Using the logic you apply he has every right to rename them the Cardiff Ladyboys - it's his money after all, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 £Tan, who has an estimated wealth of $1.3bn, wants Cardiff to maximise all possible revenue and marketing opportunities£ Throw away your scarves, shirts & hats, then BUY new stuff to show you're a fan. Hey I just realised; instead of being CCFC, they'll become CDFC pronounced SEEDY F C 'nuff sed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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