Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 To be fair, I don't think it should come out of tax payers money. Clearly she upset enough people, and for them to contribute to a big send of would be a a final 2 fingers up from Maggie at them. Maybe they should be selling Maggie image rights or something to pay for it? Charge spitting image a shite load of back pay for the image rights, that should do it! and also to be fair, I don't believe it was the funeral she actually wanted, this smacks to me of Dave seizing the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 and also to be fair, I don't believe it was the funeral she actually wanted, this smacks to me of Dave seizing the moment. Indeed, from what I understand it is pretty much what she didn't want. That said, if that were true, you would expect Mark and Carole to have said something by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I feel honoured that you've written such a long reply for my considered perusal. I wont reply to every point you've made because if you read all my replies so far on this thread I've actually already answered your points of view with my own opinions. Except, with regard to Maggie Thatcher's increasingly anti EU stance toward the end of her time as Prime Minister. The real underlying reason - in my considered opinion - that the Tories ousted (back stabbed) Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister was that she was becoming too anti EEC or EC or whatever the EU was at that time. Remember, when John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 a massive amount of Tories left the party - including Nigel Farage. The likes of Nigel Farage have really come back to haunt the EU loving Tories left in the Conservative Party via their increasingly popular UKIP political party. Even though it would seem that the Tories wanted Maggie Thatcher out due to her unwavering support of the Poll Tax, I still think the Tories are so wedded to the idea of EU membership that they'd never tolerate any leader - even Margaret Thatcher - that would take us out of the EU. I reckon that the Tories will never again be able to form a Government with a decent majority due to their support for EU membership just like the Unions will never again be able to hold any Government to ransome. Maggie Thatcher saw the light and the real nature of the EU project with its wasteful, unaccountable and unelected despots - an EUSSR - seems that the rest of her Tory Party didn't. Your points there on the EU have plenty of valid points, indeed a fair bit of it is very valid. The EUSSR is a very valid point, but I suspect now, we cannot leave, as I reckon it might well be suicide now. 10 years ago, was the best chance, sadly I think we wont be able to. however Cameron is approaching the EU in the right way. Ally ourselves with natural allies: Germany (Along with us and the Dutch the paymasters for the shambles) Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, the well run(ish) economies, Poland, Czech Republic (lovers of freedom). If we use this time now to persuade these countries, including addressing the citizens as well, we might just, might make it more effective... One of Maggies failures was to deny German reunification, it put relations between us back 15 years at a time France was clearly driving the Freench, sorry European superstate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bad touch Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The pantomime funeral will be hilarious with mass booing, cabbage throwing and chanting of 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. Dead, Dead, Dead!' I'm quite looking forward to it. Though of course that has been anticipated by the Stazi, so expect pre-funeral arrests of 'the usual suspects' and swamp police tactics on the day. So much for freedom of speech. We might as well be living in North Korea. Still, should be a laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The pantomime funeral will be hilarious with mass booing, cabbage throwing and chanting of 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. Dead, Dead, Dead!' I'm quite looking forward to it. Though of course that has been anticipated by the Stazi, so expect pre-funeral arrests of 'the usual suspects' and swamp police tactics on the day. So much for freedom of speech. We might as well be living in North Korea. Still, should be a laugh though. The thought that you might be living in North Korea would give many of us on here a great deal of pleasure. The only thing I find encouraging about your posts is that we do in fact live in a country where any crackpot with a theory can find a place to be heard. As Wilson and Callaghan closed more pits than Thatcher it does make me wonder why she is so especially reviled. The only answer I can come up with is that Scargill and his crew were a bunch of misogynists who didn't appreciate being bossed about by a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The thought that you might be living in North Korea would give many of us on here a great deal of pleasure. The only thing I find encouraging about your posts is that we do in fact live in a country where any crackpot with a theory can find a place to be heard. As Wilson and Callaghan closed more pits than Thatcher it does make me wonder why she is so especially reviled. The only answer I can come up with is that Scargill and his crew were a bunch of misogynists who didn't appreciate being bossed about by a woman. He sounds as though he has been knocking one out over a picture of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 The thought that you might be living in North Korea would give many of us on here a great deal of pleasure. The only thing I find encouraging about your posts is that we do in fact live in a country where any crackpot with a theory can find a place to be heard. As Wilson and Callaghan closed more pits than Thatcher it does make me wonder why she is so especially reviled. The only answer I can come up with is that Scargill and his crew were a bunch of misogynists who didn't appreciate being bossed about by a woman. Indeed, the Labour Party did close more pits than the Tories prior to 1984. Count me in as a misogynist - but I do like my Mrs - with a special dislike for the unelected high ranking EU pseudo socialist 'Lady' Catherine Ashton. At least Margaret Thatcher stood for election and was elected by clear and popular democratic mandates, Lady Catherine Ashton has no popular democratic mandate she is thus an unelected EU despot. The hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project is a vehicle for despots to coerce and subjugate hundreds of millions of Europeans, the sooner our country leaves the EU project the better for all of us. Referendum now on EU membership Mr Camoron as you promised in 2009.......but Mr Camoron - like Ted Heath before him - is an EU loving traitor so kiss goodbye to any referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 The thought that you might be living in North Korea would give many of us on here a great deal of pleasure. The only thing I find encouraging about your posts is that we do in fact live in a country where any crackpot with a theory can find a place to be heard. As Wilson and Callaghan closed more pits than Thatcher it does make me wonder why she is so especially reviled. The only answer I can come up with is that Scargill and his crew were a bunch of misogynists who didn't appreciate being bossed about by a woman. Strange how you omit the fact that the pits closed by the Labour government were done with the full backing of the NUM So get your facts right first. But then we had this, began. CLOSURES IN 1984, MARCH ONWARDS Bearpark, Co Durham Cronton, Merseyside CLOSURES IN 1985 Aberpergwm, South Wales Abertillery, South Wales Ackton Hall, Yorkshire Bedwas, South Wales Bold, Merseyside Brenkley, Tyne and Wear Brookhouse, Yorkshire Cortonwood, Yorkshire Emley Moor, Yorkshire Fryston, Yorkshire Garw, South Wales Haig, Cumbria Herrington, Co Durham Margam, South Wales Moor Green, Nottinghamshire Penrhiwceiber, South Wales Pye Hill, Nottinghamshire Sacriston, Co Durham St Johns, South Wales Savile, Yorkshire Treforgan, South Wales Wolstanton, Staffordshire Yorkshire Main, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1986 Babbington, Nottinghamshire Bates, Northumberland Bersham, North Wales Birch Coppice, Warwickshire Cadeby, Yorkshire Comrie, Fife Cwm, South Wales Eppleton, Co Durham Glasshoughton, Yorkshire Horden, Co Durham Kinsley, Yorkshire Ledston Luck, Yorkshire Nantgarw / Winsor, South Wales Polkemmet, West Lothian Tilmanstone, Kent Whitwell, Nottinghamshire Whitwick/ South Leicester, Leicestershire CLOSURES IN 1987 Newstead, Nottinghamshire Nostell, Yorkshire Polmaise 3/4, Stirling Snowdown, Kent Wheldale, Yorkshire Whittal, Co Durham Woolley, Yorkshire Silverwood, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1988 Abernant, South Wales Arkwright, Derbyshire Ashington, Northumberland Cadley Hill, Derbyshire Lady Winsor / Abercynon, South Wales Linby, Nottinghamshire Mansfield, Nottinghamshire Manvers complex, Yorkshire Seafield/ Frances, Fife South Kirkby/ Riddings, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1989 Baddesley, Warwickshire Barnburgh, Yorkshire Barony, Ayreshire Betteshanger, Kent Bilston Glen, Mid Lothian Blidworth, Nottinghamshire Cynheidre, South Wales Holditch, Staffordshire Marine/ Six Bells, South Wales Merthyr Vale, South Wales Oakdale, South Wales Renishaw Park, Yorkshire Royston, Yorkshire Sutton, Nottinghamshire Trelewis, South Wales Warsop, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1990 Agecroft, Lancashire Ellistown, Leicestershire Lea Hall, Staffordshire Littleton, Staffordshire Shireoaks/ Steetley, Nottinghamshire Treeton, Yorkshire Donnisthorpe/ Rawdon, Leicestershire Florence, Cumbria CLOSURES IN 1991 Askern, Yorkshire Bagworth, Leicestershire Barnsley Main, Yorkshire Creswell, Derbyshire Dawdon, Co Durham Dearne Valley, Yorkshire Deep Navigation, South Wales Denby Grange, Yorkshire Dinnington, Yorkshire Gedling, Nottinghamshire Murton, Co Durham Penallta, South Wales Sutton Manor, Merseyside Thurcroft, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1992 Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire Bickershaw Complex, Lancashire Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire Sherwood, Nottinghamshire Shirebrook, Derbyshire Silverhill, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1993 Bentley, Yorkshire Bolsover, Derbyshire Easington, Co Durham Frickley/S Elmsall, Yorkshire Grimethorpe, Yorkshire Houghton/Darfield, Yorkshire Parkside, Merseyside Rufford, Nottinghamshire Sharlston, Yorkshire Taff Merthyr, South Wales Vane Tempest/ Seaham, Co Durham Westoe, Tyne and Wear CLOSURES IN 1994 Goldthorpe/ Hickelton, Yorkshire Kiveton Park, Yorkshire Markham, Derbyshire Manton, Nottinghamshire Ollerton, Nottinghamshire Wearmouth, Co Durham CLOSURES IN 1995 Bilsthorpe, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1996 Coventry, West Midlands Hem Heath, Staffordshire Markham Main, Yorkshire Point of Ayr, North Wales CLOSURES IN 1997 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 1998 Silverdale, Staffordshire Monktonhall, Mid Lothian CLOSURES IN 1999 Calverton, Nottinghamshire North Selby, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2000 Annesley / Bentinck, Nottinghamshire Blaenant, South Wales CLOSURES IN 2001 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 2002 Longannet complex, Fife Prince of Wales, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2003 Betws, South Wales Clipstone, Nottinghamshire DEEP PITS STILL WORKING Daw Mill, West Midlands Ellington, Northumberland Harworth, Nottinghamshire Kellingley, Yorkshire Maltby, Yorkshire Riccall, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Rossington, Yorkshire Stillingfleet , Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Thoresby, Nottinghamshire Tower, South Wales Welbeck, Nottinghamshire Wistow, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. OTHER Gascoigne Wood, Yorkshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Strange how you omit the fact that the pits closed by the Labour government were done with the full backing of the NUM So get your facts right first. But then we had this, began. CLOSURES IN 1984, MARCH ONWARDS Bearpark, Co Durham Cronton, Merseyside CLOSURES IN 1985 Aberpergwm, South Wales Abertillery, South Wales Ackton Hall, Yorkshire Bedwas, South Wales Bold, Merseyside Brenkley, Tyne and Wear Brookhouse, Yorkshire Cortonwood, Yorkshire Emley Moor, Yorkshire Fryston, Yorkshire Garw, South Wales Haig, Cumbria Herrington, Co Durham Margam, South Wales Moor Green, Nottinghamshire Penrhiwceiber, South Wales Pye Hill, Nottinghamshire Sacriston, Co Durham St Johns, South Wales Savile, Yorkshire Treforgan, South Wales Wolstanton, Staffordshire Yorkshire Main, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1986 Babbington, Nottinghamshire Bates, Northumberland Bersham, North Wales Birch Coppice, Warwickshire Cadeby, Yorkshire Comrie, Fife Cwm, South Wales Eppleton, Co Durham Glasshoughton, Yorkshire Horden, Co Durham Kinsley, Yorkshire Ledston Luck, Yorkshire Nantgarw / Winsor, South Wales Polkemmet, West Lothian Tilmanstone, Kent Whitwell, Nottinghamshire Whitwick/ South Leicester, Leicestershire CLOSURES IN 1987 Newstead, Nottinghamshire Nostell, Yorkshire Polmaise 3/4, Stirling Snowdown, Kent Wheldale, Yorkshire Whittal, Co Durham Woolley, Yorkshire Silverwood, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1988 Abernant, South Wales Arkwright, Derbyshire Ashington, Northumberland Cadley Hill, Derbyshire Lady Winsor / Abercynon, South Wales Linby, Nottinghamshire Mansfield, Nottinghamshire Manvers complex, Yorkshire Seafield/ Frances, Fife South Kirkby/ Riddings, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1989 Baddesley, Warwickshire Barnburgh, Yorkshire Barony, Ayreshire Betteshanger, Kent Bilston Glen, Mid Lothian Blidworth, Nottinghamshire Cynheidre, South Wales Holditch, Staffordshire Marine/ Six Bells, South Wales Merthyr Vale, South Wales Oakdale, South Wales Renishaw Park, Yorkshire Royston, Yorkshire Sutton, Nottinghamshire Trelewis, South Wales Warsop, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1990 Agecroft, Lancashire Ellistown, Leicestershire Lea Hall, Staffordshire Littleton, Staffordshire Shireoaks/ Steetley, Nottinghamshire Treeton, Yorkshire Donnisthorpe/ Rawdon, Leicestershire Florence, Cumbria CLOSURES IN 1991 Askern, Yorkshire Bagworth, Leicestershire Barnsley Main, Yorkshire Creswell, Derbyshire Dawdon, Co Durham Dearne Valley, Yorkshire Deep Navigation, South Wales Denby Grange, Yorkshire Dinnington, Yorkshire Gedling, Nottinghamshire Murton, Co Durham Penallta, South Wales Sutton Manor, Merseyside Thurcroft, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1992 Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire Bickershaw Complex, Lancashire Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire Sherwood, Nottinghamshire Shirebrook, Derbyshire Silverhill, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1993 Bentley, Yorkshire Bolsover, Derbyshire Easington, Co Durham Frickley/S Elmsall, Yorkshire Grimethorpe, Yorkshire Houghton/Darfield, Yorkshire Parkside, Merseyside Rufford, Nottinghamshire Sharlston, Yorkshire Taff Merthyr, South Wales Vane Tempest/ Seaham, Co Durham Westoe, Tyne and Wear CLOSURES IN 1994 Goldthorpe/ Hickelton, Yorkshire Kiveton Park, Yorkshire Markham, Derbyshire Manton, Nottinghamshire Ollerton, Nottinghamshire Wearmouth, Co Durham CLOSURES IN 1995 Bilsthorpe, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1996 Coventry, West Midlands Hem Heath, Staffordshire Markham Main, Yorkshire Point of Ayr, North Wales CLOSURES IN 1997 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 1998 Silverdale, Staffordshire Monktonhall, Mid Lothian CLOSURES IN 1999 Calverton, Nottinghamshire North Selby, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2000 Annesley / Bentinck, Nottinghamshire Blaenant, South Wales CLOSURES IN 2001 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 2002 Longannet complex, Fife Prince of Wales, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2003 Betws, South Wales Clipstone, Nottinghamshire DEEP PITS STILL WORKING Daw Mill, West Midlands Ellington, Northumberland Harworth, Nottinghamshire Kellingley, Yorkshire Maltby, Yorkshire Riccall, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Rossington, Yorkshire Stillingfleet , Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Thoresby, Nottinghamshire Tower, South Wales Welbeck, Nottinghamshire Wistow, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. OTHER Gascoigne Wood, Yorkshire Bill do you know anybody who still buys coal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Bill do you know anybody who still buys coal?I did in 1984! That's what we were talking about,wasn't it ? You do realise that Thatcher was buying it in from abroad secretly, and stockpiling it,this was a year before the strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I did in 1984! That's what we were talking about,wasn't it ? You do realise that Thatcher was buying it in from abroad secretly, and stockpiling it,this was a year before the strike. Surely you should still be buying it now, showing solidarity, making your own stockpile, you could corner the Bridgwater market. Yep and it was much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Don't the steel industry use a fair bit of coal? Didcot still open? they use coal. Foot and Scargill family still have coal fires in every room and the Leyland DAF plant in West Midlands, now making about 1 specialised van a month, need it for the boilers. And then there is the Bewdley to Bridgenorth line using steam locos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Surely you should still be buying it now, showing solidarity, making your own stockpile, you could corner the Bridgwater market. Yep and it was much cheaper. I'm looking to buy a coal bunker!! You may be interested in this though! Coal in the UK - 2012 The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.) Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%). (Source - DECC statistics) UK Coal Imports Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK's energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation's requirements are imported. CoalImp - the Association of Coal Importers - believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbrowners Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 rip the best leader this country has had in my life time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'm looking to buy a coal bunker!! You may be interested in this though! Coal in the UK - 2012 The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.) Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%). (Source - DECC statistics) UK Coal Imports Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK's energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation's requirements are imported. CoalImp - the Association of Coal Importers - believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely. Nice to see a socialist showing his green credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Strange how you omit the fact that the pits closed by the Labour government were done with the full backing of the NUM So get your facts right first.But then we had this,began.CLOSURES IN 1984, MARCH ONWARDSBearpark, Co DurhamCronton, MerseysideCLOSURES IN 1985Aberpergwm, South WalesAbertillery, South WalesAckton Hall, YorkshireBedwas, South WalesBold, MerseysideBrenkley, Tyne and WearBrookhouse, YorkshireCortonwood, YorkshireEmley Moor, YorkshireFryston, YorkshireGarw, South WalesHaig, CumbriaHerrington, Co DurhamMargam, South WalesMoor Green, NottinghamshirePenrhiwceiber, South WalesPye Hill, NottinghamshireSacriston, Co DurhamSt Johns, South WalesSavile, YorkshireTreforgan, South WalesWolstanton, StaffordshireYorkshire Main, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 1986Babbington, NottinghamshireBates, NorthumberlandBersham, North WalesBirch Coppice, WarwickshireCadeby, YorkshireComrie, FifeCwm, South WalesEppleton, Co DurhamGlasshoughton, YorkshireHorden, Co DurhamKinsley, YorkshireLedston Luck, YorkshireNantgarw / Winsor, South WalesPolkemmet, West LothianTilmanstone, KentWhitwell, NottinghamshireWhitwick/ South Leicester, LeicestershireCLOSURES IN 1987Newstead, NottinghamshireNostell, YorkshirePolmaise 3/4, StirlingSnowdown, KentWheldale, YorkshireWhittal, Co DurhamWoolley, YorkshireSilverwood, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 1988Abernant, South WalesArkwright, DerbyshireAshington, NorthumberlandCadley Hill, DerbyshireLady Winsor / Abercynon, South WalesLinby, NottinghamshireMansfield, NottinghamshireManvers complex, YorkshireSeafield/ Frances, FifeSouth Kirkby/ Riddings, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 1989Baddesley, WarwickshireBarnburgh, YorkshireBarony, AyreshireBetteshanger, KentBilston Glen, Mid LothianBlidworth, NottinghamshireCynheidre, South WalesHolditch, StaffordshireMarine/ Six Bells, South WalesMerthyr Vale, South WalesOakdale, South WalesRenishaw Park, YorkshireRoyston, YorkshireSutton, NottinghamshireTrelewis, South WalesWarsop, NottinghamshireCLOSURES IN 1990Agecroft, LancashireEllistown, LeicestershireLea Hall, StaffordshireLittleton, StaffordshireShireoaks/ Steetley, NottinghamshireTreeton, YorkshireDonnisthorpe/ Rawdon, LeicestershireFlorence, CumbriaCLOSURES IN 1991Askern, YorkshireBagworth, LeicestershireBarnsley Main, YorkshireCreswell, DerbyshireDawdon, Co DurhamDearne Valley, YorkshireDeep Navigation, South WalesDenby Grange, YorkshireDinnington, YorkshireGedling, NottinghamshireMurton, Co DurhamPenallta, South WalesSutton Manor, MerseysideThurcroft, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 1992Allerton Bywater, YorkshireBickershaw Complex, LancashireCotgrave, NottinghamshireSherwood, NottinghamshireShirebrook, DerbyshireSilverhill, NottinghamshireCLOSURES IN 1993Bentley, YorkshireBolsover, DerbyshireEasington, Co DurhamFrickley/S Elmsall, YorkshireGrimethorpe, YorkshireHoughton/Darfield, YorkshireParkside, MerseysideRufford, NottinghamshireSharlston, YorkshireTaff Merthyr, South WalesVane Tempest/ Seaham, Co DurhamWestoe, Tyne and WearCLOSURES IN 1994Goldthorpe/ Hickelton, YorkshireKiveton Park, YorkshireMarkham, DerbyshireManton, NottinghamshireOllerton, NottinghamshireWearmouth, Co DurhamCLOSURES IN 1995Bilsthorpe, NottinghamshireCLOSURES IN 1996Coventry, West MidlandsHem Heath, StaffordshireMarkham Main, YorkshirePoint of Ayr, North WalesCLOSURES IN 1997No collieries closed this yearCLOSURES IN 1998Silverdale, StaffordshireMonktonhall, Mid LothianCLOSURES IN 1999Calverton, NottinghamshireNorth Selby, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 2000Annesley / Bentinck, NottinghamshireBlaenant, South WalesCLOSURES IN 2001No collieries closed this yearCLOSURES IN 2002Longannet complex, FifePrince of Wales, YorkshireCLOSURES IN 2003Betws, South WalesClipstone, NottinghamshireDEEP PITS STILL WORKINGDaw Mill, West MidlandsEllington, NorthumberlandHarworth, NottinghamshireKellingley, YorkshireMaltby, YorkshireRiccall, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004.Rossington, YorkshireStillingfleet , Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004.Thoresby, NottinghamshireTower, South WalesWelbeck, NottinghamshireWistow, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004.OTHERGascoigne Wood, YorkshireCheaper coal from abroad, coupled with the drive for clean renewable energy, which coal certainly aint....not to mention a one year strike making the mines unsafe, and unfit for immediate use.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Indeed, the Labour Party did close more pits than the Tories prior to 1984. Count me in as a misogynist - but I do like my Mrs - with a special dislike for the unelected high ranking EU pseudo socialist 'Lady' Catherine Ashton. At least Margaret Thatcher stood for election and was elected by clear and popular democratic mandates, Lady Catherine Ashton has no popular democratic mandate she is thus an unelected EU despot. The hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project is a vehicle for despots to coerce and subjugate hundreds of millions of Europeans, the sooner our country leaves the EU project the better for all of us. Referendum now on EU membership Mr Camoron as you promised in 2009.......but Mr Camoron - like Ted Heath before him - is an EU loving traitor so kiss goodbye to any referendum.Cut straight to the chase Gobbers, the unelected penpushers, functionaries, apparachniks. That is the reason for the utter incompetence & corruption at all levels in the EU. Oh and its set up by the Frogs whose own bureaucrats are on a professional career path not having any contact with people till they are senior apprachniks.Not sure if Cameron wont stand up for our country, but Lib Dumbs, & Liebour certainly wont.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Strange how you omit the fact that the pits closed by the Labour government were done with the full backing of the NUM So get your facts right first. But then we had this, began. CLOSURES IN 1984, MARCH ONWARDS Bearpark, Co Durham Cronton, Merseyside CLOSURES IN 1985 Aberpergwm, South Wales Abertillery, South Wales Ackton Hall, Yorkshire Bedwas, South Wales Bold, Merseyside Brenkley, Tyne and Wear Brookhouse, Yorkshire Cortonwood, Yorkshire Emley Moor, Yorkshire Fryston, Yorkshire Garw, South Wales Haig, Cumbria Herrington, Co Durham Margam, South Wales Moor Green, Nottinghamshire Penrhiwceiber, South Wales Pye Hill, Nottinghamshire Sacriston, Co Durham St Johns, South Wales Savile, Yorkshire Treforgan, South Wales Wolstanton, Staffordshire Yorkshire Main, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1986 Babbington, Nottinghamshire Bates, Northumberland Bersham, North Wales Birch Coppice, Warwickshire Cadeby, Yorkshire Comrie, Fife Cwm, South Wales Eppleton, Co Durham Glasshoughton, Yorkshire Horden, Co Durham Kinsley, Yorkshire Ledston Luck, Yorkshire Nantgarw / Winsor, South Wales Polkemmet, West Lothian Tilmanstone, Kent Whitwell, Nottinghamshire Whitwick/ South Leicester, Leicestershire CLOSURES IN 1987 Newstead, Nottinghamshire Nostell, Yorkshire Polmaise 3/4, Stirling Snowdown, Kent Wheldale, Yorkshire Whittal, Co Durham Woolley, Yorkshire Silverwood, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1988 Abernant, South Wales Arkwright, Derbyshire Ashington, Northumberland Cadley Hill, Derbyshire Lady Winsor / Abercynon, South Wales Linby, Nottinghamshire Mansfield, Nottinghamshire Manvers complex, Yorkshire Seafield/ Frances, Fife South Kirkby/ Riddings, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1989 Baddesley, Warwickshire Barnburgh, Yorkshire Barony, Ayreshire Betteshanger, Kent Bilston Glen, Mid Lothian Blidworth, Nottinghamshire Cynheidre, South Wales Holditch, Staffordshire Marine/ Six Bells, South Wales Merthyr Vale, South Wales Oakdale, South Wales Renishaw Park, Yorkshire Royston, Yorkshire Sutton, Nottinghamshire Trelewis, South Wales Warsop, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1990 Agecroft, Lancashire Ellistown, Leicestershire Lea Hall, Staffordshire Littleton, Staffordshire Shireoaks/ Steetley, Nottinghamshire Treeton, Yorkshire Donnisthorpe/ Rawdon, Leicestershire Florence, Cumbria CLOSURES IN 1991 Askern, Yorkshire Bagworth, Leicestershire Barnsley Main, Yorkshire Creswell, Derbyshire Dawdon, Co Durham Dearne Valley, Yorkshire Deep Navigation, South Wales Denby Grange, Yorkshire Dinnington, Yorkshire Gedling, Nottinghamshire Murton, Co Durham Penallta, South Wales Sutton Manor, Merseyside Thurcroft, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 1992 Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire Bickershaw Complex, Lancashire Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire Sherwood, Nottinghamshire Shirebrook, Derbyshire Silverhill, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1993 Bentley, Yorkshire Bolsover, Derbyshire Easington, Co Durham Frickley/S Elmsall, Yorkshire Grimethorpe, Yorkshire Houghton/Darfield, Yorkshire Parkside, Merseyside Rufford, Nottinghamshire Sharlston, Yorkshire Taff Merthyr, South Wales Vane Tempest/ Seaham, Co Durham Westoe, Tyne and Wear CLOSURES IN 1994 Goldthorpe/ Hickelton, Yorkshire Kiveton Park, Yorkshire Markham, Derbyshire Manton, Nottinghamshire Ollerton, Nottinghamshire Wearmouth, Co Durham CLOSURES IN 1995 Bilsthorpe, Nottinghamshire CLOSURES IN 1996 Coventry, West Midlands Hem Heath, Staffordshire Markham Main, Yorkshire Point of Ayr, North Wales CLOSURES IN 1997 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 1998 Silverdale, Staffordshire Monktonhall, Mid Lothian CLOSURES IN 1999 Calverton, Nottinghamshire North Selby, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2000 Annesley / Bentinck, Nottinghamshire Blaenant, South Wales CLOSURES IN 2001 No collieries closed this year CLOSURES IN 2002 Longannet complex, Fife Prince of Wales, Yorkshire CLOSURES IN 2003 Betws, South Wales Clipstone, Nottinghamshire DEEP PITS STILL WORKING Daw Mill, West Midlands Ellington, Northumberland Harworth, Nottinghamshire Kellingley, Yorkshire Maltby, Yorkshire Riccall, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Rossington, Yorkshire Stillingfleet , Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. Thoresby, Nottinghamshire Tower, South Wales Welbeck, Nottinghamshire Wistow, Selby Complex, Yorkshire. Due to close 2004. OTHER Gascoigne Wood, Yorkshire See highlight: And that of course was precisely the problem. The country was being governed by the major Unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 See highlight: And that of course was precisely the problem. The country was being governed by the major Unions. If you are a businessman, you try to do your best for yourself, maximise your profit, exploit any advantage you have. That's called being an entrepreneur and is considered good for the country. If you are a union member, and your union tries to do the best for you, maximise your wages (which are probably a tiny fraction of the businessman's) you are "holding the country to ransom". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I'm looking to buy a coal bunker!! You may be interested in this though! Coal in the UK - 2012 The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.) Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%). (Source - DECC statistics) UK Coal Imports Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK's energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation's requirements are imported. CoalImp - the Association of Coal Importers - believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely. I think your last sentence sums up why imports are straightforward and partly why they happen. Like any business one can look back and reflect and say too many mines were shut vis a vis demand. The pressure to close related to the balance sheet becomes overwhelming when the trickle of closures becomes a flood as illustrated with your long list. History tells us that a market economy largely dominated by, at times, an over powerful financial sector that usually takes the short term view for a shareholder is not always the correct one but it is without doubt better than the socialist way of keep the business open at all costs; who pays? The word to describe an industry closing but too costly to re-open, i.e. when demand is falling only for demand to pick up again or the economics make sense once more is hysteresis. I learnt this word when I studied Economics back in the 80's and it always stuck with me. During that time we rightly shut industries down because, quite simply, we could not afford to keep them open. Sure, the aftermath was, at times horrific and arguably more costly in benefit payments but that is a cycle and one has to take the pain the long term gain or necessity. I hated watching News at Ten and see Trev Mcduffnut or whatever his name was going to the 'job losses' map. Oh no.. here we go, more job losses. It was horrible. But back to hysteresis, history tells us that many industries were indeed shut prematurely or one could argue that case. But its too late to re-open unless, in the case of coal, we have more open cast mining which is far less expensive to extract for obvious reasons. And back to your point on shipment of coal; it is a break bulk cargo and relatively cheap and safe to transport from half way around the world from a much lower cost base than the UK. That is free trade. Its good to see some mines still open and long may that continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I'm looking to buy a coal bunker!! You may be interested in this though! Coal in the UK - 2012 The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations. Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.) Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%). (Source - DECC statistics) UK Coal Imports Coal is therefore a fundamental component of the UK's energy mix, and around three quarters of the nation's requirements are imported. CoalImp - the Association of Coal Importers - believes that imported coal complements indigenous supply as a secure and essential part of the UK energy balance. Coal resources are plentiful, distributed more evenly around the globe than oil or gas, and coal is capable of being transported and stored safely. Coal is used a lot to power reserve power stations. It is hugely expensive, and is often shipped in when big events are on the tv, we do not gave the power in this country to cope when people watch big events. I guess last year the queens celebrations, the Olympics and other large events ensured massive consumption. Interestingly, many of these coal powered stations are left off. But when a known event is coming up that will ensure higher usage than is available. Tenders will go out to the owners of these coal power stations to see who can offer the cheapest electricity. Await until 2015-16 time when prices of fuel will sky rocket. About that time we will not have enough to power everything. Then the pits nay start up again, and moth balled coal power stations open up. Governments and nimbys and greenies have ensured delays are going cost us a lot and be less green. Looks like their ban nuclear ban coal stance may come back to bite them in the ass. Then we get fined on top because of carbon emissions. Happy days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Cheaper coal from abroad, coupled with the drive for clean renewable energy, which coal certainly aint....not to mention a one year strike making the mines unsafe, and unfit for immediate use.. Oh of course,the Miners all wanted to lose there jobs!. Thatcher's thoughts were nothing to do with coal and everyone knows that, it was all about her ideology and her hatred of working class people who were in Unions. The strike was about trying to save those pits and thousands upon thousands of jobs. Thatcher decided on the pit closures, the miners had the balls to try and save there jobs. I suppose they should have rolled over and had there tummies tickled. You obviously haven't read how much coal we now import each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 See highlight: And that of course was precisely the problem. The country was being governed by the major Unions. Or, the simple fact that a mine was coming to the end of its life, the Miners from that mine would get transferred ( probably 5 miles away) to another mine,keeping there jobs. Not hard to fathom is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Oh of course,the Miners all wanted to lose there jobs!. Thatcher's thoughts were nothing to do with coal and everyone knows that, it was all about her ideology and her hatred of working class people who were in Unions. The strike was about trying to save those pits and thousands upon thousands of jobs. Thatcher decided on the pit closures, the miners had the balls to try and save there jobs. I suppose they should have rolled over and had there tummies tickled. You obviously haven't read how much coal we now import each year. Perhaps the years where the NUM repeatedly broke promises and deals in pursuit of the higher wages for their members and using the circumstances of governments with small or no majorities to enable this had something to do with pricing themselves out of the market, sometimes in life people have to see the bigger picture unfortunately Scargills bigger picture was a self portrait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Perhaps the years where the NUM repeatedly broke promises and deals in pursuit of the higher wages for their members and using the circumstances of governments with small or no majorities to enable this had something to do with pricing themselves out of the market, sometimes in life people have to see the bigger picture unfortunately Scargills bigger picture was a self portrait. The year long miners strike was nothing to do with money though,it was about saving the mining industry and jobs. I agree that in the 70's the wage demands were excessive. At the end of the day, what Scargill said was correct,he knew Thatcher was out to destroy the miners and she didn't care at what cost. Whole community's,towns and villages are still trying to recover from what she did to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Perhaps the years where the NUM repeatedly broke promises and deals in pursuit of the higher wages for their members and using the circumstances of governments with small or no majorities to enable this had something to do with pricing themselves out of the market, sometimes in life people have to see the bigger picture unfortunately Scargills bigger picture was a self portrait. Union in trying to get better wages for their workers involved in difficult and dangerous job shock! Economics was not behind the closure programme, politics was. It was about trying to defeat "the enemy within" (ie: the biggest threat to the Tory Party). The planned confrontation was drawn up by Nicholas Ridley in 1978, before the election and without any indication of the economics involved. See the memoirs of various Conservative grandees for confirmation on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Union in trying to get better wages for their workers involved in difficult and dangerous job shock! Economics was not behind the closure programme, politics was. It was about trying to defeat "the enemy within" (ie: the biggest threat to the Tory Party). The planned confrontation was drawn up by Nicholas Ridley in 1978, before the election and without any indication of the economics involved. See the memoirs of various Conservative grandees for confirmation on this... Nobody is arguing against the dangerous job aspect but 70% rises in 2 years was excessive especially as the second 35% was gained on a broken promise, the NUM new that governments during this period were vulnerable and set out to exploit that, once Scargill took over the NUM were out of control and being used by all the other unions as the trade union military wing in all disputes. What I love is that according to some Scargill and Dromey are held by many as trade union heroes, but in fact it was due to people like them that the trade unions don't have the power they once had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I did in 1984! That's what we were talking about,wasn't it ?You do realise that Thatcher was buying it in from abroad secretly, and stockpiling it,this was a year before the strike.Correct, she knew Scargills gang would try and bring the democratically elected government down. Your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The year long miners strike was nothing to do with money though,it was about saving the mining industry and jobs.I agree that in the 70's the wage demands were excessive.At the end of the day, what Scargill said was correct,he knew Thatcher was out to destroy the miners and she didn't care at what cost.Whole community's,towns and villages are still trying to recover from what she did to them.Scargill wanted to bring the Tory Scum Government(@daily worker 1984)down, he was quite prepared to destroy his mineworkers to do it. Trouble is, he picked a fight with the only politician who was a leader, and who had a mandate from the electorate. Scargills own personal vanity and arrogance along with McGahey, the Kent NUM leader feeding it, led to the NUM's utter defeat. Like I say no politician will accept a politically inspired strike to bring their government down. most politicians have no bollocks for the fight. Maggie, thank God did. The thought of a NUM and other hard left union domianted Liebour Government fills me with horror. Certainly did back then.The NUM, lions led by ******* donkies.politicised donkies. led their members to a hell they didnt in the main deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Oh of course,the Miners all wanted to lose there jobs!. Thatcher's thoughts were nothing to do with coal and everyone knows that, it was all about her ideology and her hatred of working class people who were in Unions.The strike was about trying to save those pits and thousands upon thousands of jobs.Thatcher decided on the pit closures, the miners had the balls to try and save there jobs.I suppose they should have rolled over and had there tummies tickled.You obviously haven't read how much coal we now import each year.Scargill decided on the fight with Maggie. Maggie knew it would happen, and prepared. That arrogant**** Scargill did not, Some of those lovely miners you lionise musta voted for Maggie too, so I dont think Scargers had as much support as you intimate. In those rancid days, your could get the whole scab shit laid on you, which especially in Scargills heartland would have been a highy effective weapon. Which is why when those of us who did the Firemans strike back in 77 were sent away from our home areas to prevent this shit being pulled.Frankly I dont care about how much coal we import, tis no different from oil, gas, cars, machinery, aircraft, tools etc.If its cheaper the customer will always buy it. Way too much British industry was inefficient, riddled by the unions one out all out culture..it was ripe for closures. Not all the mines. The Notts area mines were kept on longer.Wonder how many miners had Japanese, french, German, Dutch, Italian & E European cars, not to mention the large number of Japanese motorcycles I know a load of them rode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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