Well Done Nigel Farage And Ukip - The Plebs Have Spoken

[bristolborn_and_red]

Nigel Lawson an old tory fart, makes ONE remark you like and you elevate him to rank of top tory, when last night he was just a tory toff, with a daughter with a nice set of bangers.

By the way he was educated at Oxford university don't you know, so there is the last part of your original upper middle class eton/oxford educated political ruling class diatribe gone for a burton and he's jewish so UKIP's out for him.

if Assad of Syria said the UK should quit the EU you would tell us he was wonderful peace loving humanitarian.

Are you saying that UKIP are anti-semetic?

Anyways looks like another tory old duffer has joined the circus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pressure-mounts-on-david-cameron-as-michael-portillo-joins-calls-to-quit-eu-8608507.html

[marshy]

Are you saying that UKIP are anti-semetic?

Anyways looks like another tory old duffer has joined the circus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pressure-mounts-on-david-cameron-as-michael-portillo-joins-calls-to-quit-eu-8608507.html

Portillo is only 59, does that make him an old duffer ? I thought 59 was the new 39. Let's face it the EU issue, the one that morphed from the Common Market, is a boil the Tories should have lanced long ago as it's it's not completely absurd to think that Cameron's 'cynical ploy' as Portillo puts it could be the beginning of the end for the Tories. It certainly seems to have done nothing as yet to stem the surge in support for UKIP. Actually I think it is quite a well thought out piece and for me both the political and economic cases for exit are compelling. There will be plenty of anti-EU sentiment within the New Labour party, those who think the same way as Tony Benn, but they will be under strict instructions to let none of this surface until they have won the next election, as surely they will. If it ever comes to a referendum the only thing that will keep us in is fear of the unknown and this is the emotion the pro-EU lobby will play upon.

[bristolborn_and_red]

Portillo is only 59, does that make him an old duffer ? I thought 59 was the new 39. Let's face it the EU issue, the one that morphed from the Common Market, is a boil the Tories should have lanced long ago as it's it's not completely absurd to think that Cameron's 'cynical ploy' as Portillo puts it could be the beginning of the end for the Tories. It certainly seems to have done nothing as yet to stem the surge in support for UKIP. Actually I think it is quite a well thought out piece and for me both the political and economic cases for exit are compelling. There will be plenty of anti-EU sentiment within the New Labour party, those who think the same way as Tony Benn, but they will be under strict instructions to let none of this surface until they have won the next election, as surely they will. If it ever comes to a referendum the only thing that will keep us in is fear of the unknown and this is the emotion the pro-EU lobby will play upon.

No i don't think he's an old duffer. This was more of a side swipe at esmond for his portrayel of Nigel Lawson as a tory old fart. His opening posts made unfounded accusations that UKIP supporters are far right and racist. He's still carrying on now by seemingly implying that the party is anti-semetic. It does seem that esmond is using the tiresome LibLabCon tactic of slinging mud (no matter how untrue) rather than have the courage of their own convictions and present arguments for what they believe in.

For the record. I used to be a card carrying member of the Labour party but when Blair managed to get rid of "clause 4" that was it for me. We now have a party that might actually represent the common man so I'll be voting UKIP all the way. I'm not the only one. There are plenty of my friends and colleagues who are doing the same so it is absurd to suggest their vote is only disgruntled tory euro sceptics and protest votes.

Your right about New Labour they will be under strict instructions with a three line whip applied to keep them in line and for an issue this important that is no good to anyone.

[Mr Mosquito]

Indeed, it must have been the abolition of 'clause 4' that turned the Labour Party into New Labour.

I've shadowed Esmond Bung all the way through this thread and that poster is clutching at straws with regard to all the bile thrown at anyone that expresses anti EU sentiment. You've now got established politicians from the so called left, right, and centre now questioning our membership of the Franco-German centred EU project. The Lib-Lab-Con sacred EU cow is well overdue for slaughter on the alter of freedom from Continental European tyranny for the British public. Personally, I can't see much difference in the overall stance of the EU loving leadership of Liberal, Labour and Conservatives. They're all for making massive cuts in public spending in Britain and all for giving £60 million per day to the EU.

Gisela Stuart, Labour MP, wrote an article in yesterday's Times Newspaper stating that it's time for Britain to leave the EU. So, Gisela Stuart has broken ranks with the pro EU Labour leadership - who's next?

[bristolborn_and_red]

She'll be getting a visit from the shadow chief whip then?

[Mr Mosquito]

She'll be getting a visit from the shadow chief whip then?

Labour whips must be careful as Labour are just as vulnerable to losing votes to UKIP as the Tories. From what I've read and heard of Gisela Stuart, she wants out of the EU but is willing to let the British people decide via a referendum. As the Labour core are now so internationalist and European Unionist - especially with their unelected pseudo-socialist Lady Catherine Ashton heading the EU - I can't see Labour shifting their stance to accomodate their MP Gisela Stuart and all the others currently too frightened to speak out against the EU project.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Are you saying that UKIP are anti-semetic?

Anyways looks like another tory old duffer has joined the circus

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pressure-mounts-on-david-cameron-as-michael-portillo-joins-calls-to-quit-eu-8608507.html

Moi, never.

http://standforpeace.org.uk/ukip-councillor-resigns-for-saying-jewish-race-is-endemically-racist/

http://swns.com/news/ukip-candidate-claims-jews-murdered-holocaust-masterplan-create-state-israel-34642/

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3108/awkward_anti_semitism_rears_head_again_in_ukip

[bristolborn_and_red]

Moi, never.

http://standforpeace.org.uk/ukip-councillor-resigns-for-saying-jewish-race-is-endemically-racist/

http://swns.com/news/ukip-candidate-claims-jews-murdered-holocaust-masterplan-create-state-israel-34642/

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3108/awkward_anti_semitism_rears_head_again_in_ukip

Nigel Farage has said himself that they dont have the resources to vet all candidates and of the three you mention, one has resigned, one was suspended and I know nothing of the parish councillor.

The truth is though, is that all the mainstream parties have had anti-semites infiltrate their ranks whether vetted or not. For example the vile Lord Ahmed. It's what it does with them that matters.

On another note. I remember Farage saying that Tory central office was spending thousands on researchers trawling the twitter accounts of UKIP candidates in order to sling mud at UKIP in general. I also notice that links above all include twitter accounts.

You weren't! You weren't one of those researchers, were you?

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Nigel Farage has said himself that they dont have the resources to vet all candidates and of the three you mention, one has resigned, one was suspended and I know nothing of the parish councillor.

The truth is though, is that all the mainstream parties have had anti-semites infiltrate their ranks whether vetted or not. For example the vile Lord Ahmed. It's what it does with them that matters.

On another note. I remember Farage saying that Tory central office was spending thousands on researchers trawling the twitter accounts of UKIP candidates in order to sling mud at UKIP in general. I also notice that links above all include twitter accounts.

You weren't! You weren't one of those researchers, were you?

That is my point to RG, to sustain this upsurge in support, from now on there can be no hiding place, no excuses because the tory pr machine and tory press, will be hunting down every misplaced word, dodgy background, UKIP got away with using the resources excuse this time, it won't wash a second time.

[bristolborn_and_red]

That is my point to RG, to sustain this upsurge in support, from now on there can be no hiding place, no excuses because the tory pr machine and tory press, will be hunting down every misplaced word, dodgy background, UKIP got away with using the resources excuse this time, it won't wash a second time.

I wonder if they'll put resource in place to trawl their own candidates. I'm sure they could find some juicy tit bits

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I wonder if they'll put resource in place to trawl their own candidates. I'm sure they could find some juicy tit bits

Then they wouldn't be the tory party anymore would they and we would miss entertainment such as this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p007n12s

[Portland Bill]

That's because people are like sheep, and vote for the colour of the rosette regardless of how much they have shit on the people of the country.

In my life time I have seen a shit Conservative party and a shit Labour party, quite why anybody would vote for them again I don't know. What is it that drives people to vote for more of the same crap?

It astounds me why anybody would vote Labour ever again after nearly spending their way to bankrupt the country, and the same for the Tories who continue to rob from the poor.

That's why I am happy for people to continue to suggest UKIP is just a protest vote, 140 seats on the council from nowhere is a bit more than a protest vote, the people have had a gut full of the same old crap and want something different.

UKIP will split the Tory vote at the next GE,and with tactical voters not voting for the Liberals anymore, a Labour government looks on

UKIP won't get a single MP imo.

Farange is a hypocrite, anti Europe to the core, but more than happy to work in Brussels and take his massive salary from the EU.

A former member of the Tory party and

So anti European that he's married to a German!

UKIP got votes for one reason only, and that is the anti Polish vote.

I work for a Swedish company,3.5 million jobs in this country depend on trade with the EU.

Mine is just one of them,i also value my workers rights, the EU have helped me ( and all other working people) by giving us the working time directive,stopping companies from forcing us to work longer hours.

Longer and paid maternity rights and equal rights for part time and temporary workers are just a couple things we would lose if we left the EU.

But if UKIP want to split the right wing vote then that's fine by me, it's perfect for the next Labour government in 2015.

[screech]

UKIP will split the Tory vote at the next GE,and with tactical voters not voting for the Liberals anymore, a Labour government looks on

UKIP won't get a single MP imo.

Farange is a hypocrite, anti Europe to the core, but more than happy to work in Brussels and take his massive salary from the EU.

A former member of the Tory party and

So anti European that he's married to a German!

UKIP got votes for one reason only, and that is the anti Polish vote.

I work for a Swedish company,3.5 million jobs in this country depend on trade with the EU.

Mine is just one of them,i also value my workers rights, the EU have helped me ( and all other working people) by giving us the working time directive,stopping companies from forcing us to work longer hours.

Longer and paid maternity rights and equal rights for part time and temporary workers are just a couple things we would lose if we left the EU.

But if UKIP want to split the right wing vote then that's fine by me, it's perfect for the next Labour government in 2015.

Anti Europe to the core? Where are you getting your fiction from Bill?

He wants the UK to trade openly with everyone, be they German, Indian, Brazillian etc etc. I see you are another that hasn't bothered to listen to anything he says and choose to listen to the scaremongering crap from the 3 party monopoly.

He wants the UK to be free of the political monster that is the EU, how crazy is that eh? Free choice to trade wherever we like without spending a fortune on a failing project.

[Portland Bill]

Anti Europe to the core? Where are you getting your fiction from Bill?

He wants the UK to trade openly with everyone, be they German, Indian, Brazillian etc etc. I see you are another that hasn't bothered to listen to anything he says and choose to listen to the scaremongering crap from the 3 party monopoly.

He wants the UK to be free of the political monster that is the EU, how crazy is that eh? Free choice to trade wherever we like without spending a fortune on a failing project.

But we're not just talking trade are we.

What does he want to do with EU employment law etc etc. if we weren't in Europe we would lose a lot of workers rights ?

What about the 5-6 million Brits living and working in other European countries ?

These people currently get free health care in other European countries, what his plans for all these people ?

What about the rules across Europe that stop multinationals moving jobs to other countries to cut corners ?

Just a few questions, I'm sure there's more

[screech]

But we're not just talking trade are we.

What does he want to do with EU employment law etc etc. if we weren't in Europe we would lose a lot of workers rights ?

Really, go on then which rights are we all going to lose out on?

What about the 5-6 million Brits living and working in other European countries ?

Erm, they can work or live wherever they like, immigration either way will be allowed. Immigration under UKIP would be controlled, not stopped completely, unfortunately the scaremongerers don't tell you that.

These people currently get free health care in other European countries, what his plans for all these people ?

You live there, you abide by their rules. Why should you expect special treatment. People who emigrate have chosen to do so, for work or lifestyle or both, you take on all what the new country has to offer you.

What about the rules across Europe that stop multinationals moving jobs to other countries to cut corners ?

For tax purposes? Explain more.

Just a few questions, I'm sure there's more

[marshy]

UKIP will split the Tory vote at the next GE,and with tactical voters not voting for the Liberals anymore, a Labour government looks on

1).UKIP won't get a single MP imo.

2).Farange is a hypocrite, anti Europe to the core, but more than happy to work in Brussels and take his massive salary from the EU.

3).A former member of the Tory party and

So anti European that he's married to a German!

4).UKIP got votes for one reason only, and that is the anti Polish vote.

5).I work for a Swedish company,3.5 million jobs in this country depend on trade with the EU.

6).Mine is just one of them,i also value my workers rights, the EU have helped me ( and all other working people) by giving us the working time directive,stopping companies from forcing us to work longer hours.

Longer and paid maternity rights and equal rights for part time and temporary workers are just a couple things we would lose if we left the EU.

7).But if UKIP want to split the right wing vote then that's fine by me, it's perfect for the next Labour government in 2015.

1). Quite possibly true but then I shall be voting for what I believe in, not tactically.

2). Farage is the only reason that the workings of the EU parliament have been brought to the attention of the British public. For this alone he has done a good job.

3). He has said all along that he is not anti-Europe, just against the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU and the loss of sovereignty that this entails.

4). You must know this is a ridiculous statement. I vote for UKIP because the EU is distant, it is unaccountable (the accounts have never been passed apparently), and because it is undemocratic, the power being held by unelected Commisioners.

5). An argument put forward by Clegg and his scaremongering cronies and one that has no basis in fact. It is a figure plucked out of the air.They sell more to us than we do to them and are hardly likely to want to sever trading links.

6). As you correctly state it looks as though New Labour will be in next time. They will therefore be in an ideal situation to retain any EU 'directives' they think to be of benefit. As will be the Tories of course in the unlikely event of them hanging on to power. Either way I would much prefer us to be in charge of our own destiny.

7). See 6). above.

[Mr Mosquito]

UKIP will split the Tory vote at the next GE,and with tactical voters not voting for the Liberals anymore, a Labour government looks on

UKIP won't get a single MP imo.

Farange is a hypocrite, anti Europe to the core, but more than happy to work in Brussels and take his massive salary from the EU.

A former member of the Tory party and

So anti European that he's married to a German!

UKIP got votes for one reason only, and that is the anti Polish vote.

I work for a Swedish company,3.5 million jobs in this country depend on trade with the EU.

Mine is just one of them,i also value my workers rights, the EU have helped me ( and all other working people) by giving us the working time directive,stopping companies from forcing us to work longer hours.

Longer and paid maternity rights and equal rights for part time and temporary workers are just a couple things we would lose if we left the EU.

But if UKIP want to split the right wing vote then that's fine by me, it's perfect for the next Labour government in 2015.

From what I know of Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage left the Tory Party in 1992 in disgust at the Tories signing us up to the EU Maastricht Treaty without any kind of consultation with the British people via a free and fair referendum. Nigel Farage was not alone in leaving the Tory Party over this issue. Personally, I love Europe but I'm totally opposed to the European Union project with it's overall aim of destroying the cultures and heritage of the individual nation states and welding them into one nation under an unelected despotic leadership. Sounds familiar? Isn't that what Herr Adolf Hitler and Napoleon tried to do?

All European Union loving Labour, Liberals and Tories should hang their heads in shame for forcing the EU project on us. Under English constitutional law, Parliament has no power to give governance to a foreign power unless we have been defeated in war. Thus the signing of the Treaty of Rome, Maastricht Treaty, and the Lisbon Treaty by some of our politicians was nothing short of treason. As far as I'm concerned, the Lib-Lab-Con politicians that have handed control of the UK to the EU are guilty of High Treason. Soldiers, sailors and airmen fought in two terrible world wars - and in the Napoleonic Wars long before that - to stop a single European Federal State from taking over Great Britain.

[Kid in the Riot]

UKIP won't get a single MP at the next general election.

I say bring on this referendum anyway. Too many people in Britain will lose out financially if we leave the EU.

I reckon the British people would opt to stay in the EU by a quite substantial margin.

[Monkeh]

From what I know of Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage left the Tory Party in 1992 in disgust at the Tories signing us up to the EU Maastricht Treaty without any kind of consultation with the British people via a free and fair referendum. Nigel Farage was not alone in leaving the Tory Party over this issue. Personally, I love Europe but I'm totally opposed to the European Union project with it's overall aim of destroying the cultures and heritage of the individual nation states and welding them into one nation under an unelected despotic leadership. Sounds familiar? Isn't that what Herr Adolf Hitler and Napoleon tried to do?

All European Union loving Labour, Liberals and Tories should hang their heads in shame for forcing the EU project on us. Under English constitutional law, Parliament has no power to give governance to a foreign power unless we have been defeated in war. Thus the signing of the Treaty of Rome, Maastricht Treaty, and the Lisbon Treaty by some of our politicians was nothing short of treason. As far as I'm concerned, the Lib-Lab-Con politicians that have handed control of the UK to the EU are guilty of High Treason. Soldiers, sailors and airmen fought in two terrible world wars - and in the Napoleonic Wars long before that - to stop a single European Federal State from taking over Great Britain.

How much money does british business make out of being in the EU?, because just about every single big business are shouting for us to stay in it

[Gazred]

All European Union loving Labour, Liberals and Tories should hang their heads in shame for forcing the EU project on us. Under English constitutional law, Parliament has no power to give governance to a foreign power unless we have been defeated in war. Thus the signing of the Treaty of Rome, Maastricht Treaty, and the Lisbon Treaty by some of our politicians was nothing short of treason. As far as I'm concerned, the Lib-Lab-Con politicians that have handed control of the UK to the EU are guilty of High Treason. Soldiers, sailors and airmen fought in two terrible world wars - and in the Napoleonic Wars long before that - to stop a single European Federal State from taking over Great Britain.

It amazes me how this consitutional law is totally ignored. Its there in black and white for all to see. Its one of the foundations of this country. If we're just going to pick away at it as it suits, then why bother having a constitution at all.

Lawful Rebillion here we come!

[Gazred]

How much money does british business make out of being in the EU?, because just about every single big business are shouting for us to stay in it

You've probably hit the nail on the head there. How much money do all those rich shareholders personally make out of us being in the EU? I would find it hard to belive if we were out, then they would all go to the wall. Mr Fat Cat might be a few million down but then 95% of the population couldn't give a damn as they are already worse off than he is.

I cant belive it would be the end of the world/our economy if we opt out.

[Barrs Court Red]

Most businesses would like a renegotiated treaty. Its bollocks to suggest that most businesses are calling to say in it. Nearly every organisation worth its salt are calling for drastic reform.

[Mr Mosquito]

You've probably hit the nail on the head there. How much money do all those rich shareholders personally make out of us being in the EU? I would find it hard to belive if we were out, then they would all go to the wall. Mr Fat Cat might be a few million down but then 95% of the population couldn't give a damn as they are already worse off than he is.

I cant belive it would be the end of the world/our economy if we opt out.

Just to get Esmond's Bung fired up again - EU lover David Camoron is just a product of Eton. Eton turns rich people's thick children into "world leaders".......God help us. Thick Eton blokes get into Oxford University because their parents are rich and "well connected". I think Eton School is against the general good of this Country. I think it is an anti-State organisation that promotes elitism, European Unionism and the general belief that Eton scholars are genetically better than the rest of "the mob" and chosen by God to rule. Hence David Camoron, George Osborne and all the other snooty Tory twits......

As well as getting out of the EU we must get rid of Eton. It has far too much influence and input to our Government and Society. Winston Churchill was educated at Harrow.....I rest my case.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Just to get Esmond's Bung fired up again - EU lover David Camoron is just a product of Eton. Eton turns rich people's thick children into "world leaders".......God help us. Thick Eton blokes get into Oxford University because their parents are rich and "well connected". I think Eton School is against the general good of this Country. I think it is an anti-State organisation that promotes elitism, European Unionism and the general belief that Eton scholars are genetically better than the rest of "the mob" and chosen by God to rule. Hence David Camoron, George Osborne and all the other snooty Tory twits......

As well as getting out of the EU we must get rid of Eton. It has far too much influence and input to our Government and Society. Winston Churchill was educated at Harrow.....I rest my case.

Farage was educated under the Eton system by a related school, as was Tony Benn and Nigel Lawson who also both went to Oxford university.

[Mr Mosquito]

Farage was educated under the Eton system by a related school, as was Tony Benn and Nigel Lawson who also both went to Oxford university.

Blimey, are you watching this forum all the time? That was a quick reply.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Blimey, are you watching this forum all the time? That was a quick reply.

Watching the shitty football and the forum with my third eye that I had tattooed on my back to make sure my missus dosen't knife me when we're asleep. Although my mate always told me you can always tell a Bedminster boy, always sleeps with one eye open.

[Mr Mosquito]

It amazes me how this consitutional law is totally ignored. Its there in black and white for all to see. Its one of the foundations of this country. If we're just going to pick away at it as it suits, then why bother having a constitution at all.

Lawful Rebillion here we come!

It certainly is a lawful rebellion against the Lib-Lab-Con ruling elitists with more and more people voting for Nigel Farage's UKIP. What has happened recently is that more and more voters have begun to openly air their disapproval of the way our country is run for the benefit of the EU despots, banksters and industrial elitists etc and it has come as a bit of a shock to the corrupt Lib-Lab-Con EU loving politicians - as it appears it has to their brain dead devotees. More and more voters have had enough of the same deceit and lies and incompetence of the 3 stooges that are the Lib-Lab-Con - but until fairly recently they have said and done nothing. That's now changing as UKIP are now being seen for what they are - a real chance for change and a not soon enough exit from the hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Another one breaks cover.

http://m.worcesternews.co.uk/news/10415621.New_UKIP_councillor_facing_the_sack_for_racist_rants_online/

[Monkeh]

Another one breaks cover.

http://m.worcesternews.co.uk/news/10415621.New_UKIP_councillor_facing_the_sack_for_racist_rants_online/

the UKIP reminds me alot like the Nazi party tbh (the fact most of them are racist facists helps

[screech]

Another one breaks cover.

http://m.worcesternews.co.uk/news/10415621.New_UKIP_councillor_facing_the_sack_for_racist_rants_online/

You surely don't want to go like for like with the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem corrupt hypocrites do you?

You seem to be confusing individuals with the party policies. There's bound to be a few that are not fit to be in that position, they are relatively new to this and can't vouch for all. Good to see he has been outed, I bet he faces expulsion from the party, unlike the Tories and Labour who would give them Lordships.