bucksred Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 How is it miles off course? The academy has never and will never turn a profit. The money is better spent elsewhere. Pray where??? we seem to specialise in signing jouneyman on inflated wedge who then do fucck all usefull.. Starting with Adebola, John, Ageymang, Stewart (both Marcus & Damien), Bridges, Peacock, Bates, Pearson to name but a few. Add your own from any era to them if you want. The first three were signed by your hero. Every manager before and since has done likewise. If our academy was run properly it might well produce players, like Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool. The first two in particular regularly turn out great players as well as Southampton. We cant afford decent players, developing them is probably far more likely to have success. After all Doherty, Coles, Aaron Brown, Skuse all came through under the indifferent Wilson years. With better coaching all those may well have done more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 and now they are not, but still at the club, sounds like they must be happy or without any principles, so a, b or c Bill? Keeping there heads down because they know there isn't a job for them anywhere else, I would imagine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 You know I'm right, because the market tells you so: If these academies were so worth their salt why are the majority of football clubs closing theirs down? . Come on then, name the " majority". I think you will find that 2 or 3 have. Out of 92, I would hardly call that a majority ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Keeping there heads down because they know there isn't a job for them anywhere else, I would imagine! There you go then spineless jelly fish or not good enough to get a job elsewhere? you choose, as your ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 There you go then spineless jelly fish or not good enough to get a job elsewhere? you choose, as your ITK. I was ITK COE wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 I was ITK COE wise. it is hardly any wonder that they are "Keeping there heads down because they know there isn't a job for them anywhere else" as you describe, with that attitude they would appear to be unemployable in football outside of Yeovil, where they can assist in GJ's reign of tyranny, oh yes and captain who was so traumatised by the bullying the first time round has stayed for more (in a Marquis De Sade way perhaps) and only have to say "yes boss", you're not their agent are you?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Top top post..people forget this fact all too quickly. The very average sides he assembled although very hard working and fit teams simply were not good enough for the Championship here at the Gate. His loan signings here were very avery average and they helped consign us to our current state. Will be very interesting to see how Yeovil cope. They wont be able to offer massive wages for loanees or signings. But look on the plus side for City (and unfortuneately Rovers too) this is a MASSIVE incentive to pull their socks up and at least match Yeovil. We might at least see some youth players or academy players coming through now his (and bloody Millen too) baleful influence is gone. Where will Yeovil be able to find their next generation? The Savage's, the Akinde's His sides weren't good enough fir the Championship? What a crock of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 it is hardly any wonder that they are "Keeping there heads down because they know there isn't a job for them anywhere else" as you describe, with that attitude they would appear to be unemployable in football outside of Yeovil, where they can assist in GJ's reign of tyranny, oh yes and captain who was so traumatised by the bullying the first time round has stayed for more (in a Marquis De Sade way perhaps) and only have to say "yes boss", you're not their agent are you?. You forgot " I would imagine" but never mind eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Gary J was a good manager for City - in his first few years, but then he completely lost the plot both on field and in the dressing room. The board made exactly the right decision by letting him go. The big mistake was the board taking on Coppell and the fiasco around that, then the knee-jerk reaction on giving the job to Millen. Back to Gary - anyone here forget the cock up he made of his job at Peterborough? Of - and now I'm forgetting too - what happened at Northampton? One final thing - too many people are saying Yeovil have "gone above us". No - they haven't - they went up and we went down. We have ended up as much below them as they ended above us. No idea what happened at Northampton....could be a case that you can't polish a turd? But at Posh I believe they were just outside the play-off spots when he left. He didn't leave there due to form but rather the fact that he didn't see eye to eye with the board, who in any case wanted Ferguson back after he'd just been sacked at Preston(?). Northampton didn't work out, but he was unfortunate at Posh. Still agree it was right to let him go from us (though arguably it should have been done sooner). That doesn't hide the fact that he was our most successful manager for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 You forgot " I would imagine" but never mind eh. Sorry Bill, I obviously don't possess your imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedminster Born And Red Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 All wonderfully emotive and subjective words there, but entirely based on fallacy. Get in the real world where finance is all that matters. We produce one quality player and sell them £2-3m. Whopppeeee. But we've spent 7-10 years developing them in an Academy that costs £xm per year to run. Yeah, great business sense. It's this kind of economic illiteracy that has got this county into the mess it's in today. I think RMLF has made some superb points in this discussion that you are completely ignoring. You seem to judge Academies simply on whether they turn a profit or not. But just putting Dave Cotterill's transfer fee alone into the figures how much is it actually costing the club to run. Then think of players who have played for us and whilst that does not show as a credit on the Academy balance sheet they have a "value" to the club - for starters no transfer fee and relatively modest wages for the first few years of their professional careers. And the chance of selling them at a later date like we did with Cotterill. And you don't need to produce a Lionel Messi either. A Ben Davies at Swansea, Ben Nugent at Cardiff or Luke Shaw at Southampton are worth how much to their respective clubs? If all clubs took your line and simply scrapped Academies because they were costing money then where would the players come from in this country? I don't want to watch lower league football with ten Eastern Europeans running about in the red shirt because this country has given up on youth development and I'm sure I am not alone in that view. Luckily your assertion that a "majority" of clubs are scrapping their youth systems is so far wide of the mark it is untrue. The majority of money wasted in football in this country is on "players wages" not youth development. And you have still not answered RMLF's valid point that youth development is OUTSIDE of FFFP. I agree totally that Academies have to produce but there is also a community aspect to them as well. I watched Bristol City and Cardiff City Under 11's on Sunday scrapping it out up at Filton and it was the most enjoyable football I have seen ALL SEASON bar none. Two teams going at it hammer and tongs, playing honestly with none of the cynicism on show in the professional game (I am sure it will get knocked "into" them soon enough though) and some not too shoddy football on display too. Sometimes the football is so good you forget these boys are only 11. On that pitch will be players who will probably range in standard ultimately from professional all the way down to possibly Screwfix League level. But my view is that the club do have a sense of community and duty to develop the best lads in the area (although my Grandson was Captaining the Redbirds!!) and to make them the best players they can be, focusing more obviously on the very best of those lads in order to provide the footballing and "financial" return that we would all like to see from the Academy. And how do you quantify the "feel good factor" you get when the club is playing decent football with plenty of local and/or home grown lads in the squad? It has happened before at Ashton Gate and can happen again. Clubs like Cardiff, Swansea, Southampton, Crewe and Middlesbrough have shown that Academies can be made to work with the right investment and infrastructure - even by your simple mathematical standards. So instead of saying "our Academy isn't working, let's scrap it" how about "lets make it work" instead. The day the "majority" of clubs adopt your financial model is the day that many people turn their back on football and there won't be much of a game left, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Come on then, name the " majority". I think you will find that 2 or 3 have. Out of 92, I would hardly call that a majority ? Did 92 have academies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Did 92 have academies? I think so,the only ones that closed ( as far as I'm aware) are Yeovil and Wycombe. Most non league clubs now have good youth set ups as well, locally WSM, FGR and Bath City all have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 They dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedminster Born And Red Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 They dont. I know that Weston Super Mare have sides in the Midland Junior Premier League and Bath City U16's were at Treforest the other night playing Cardiff City U15's. Don't know about Forest Green Rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 I think so,the only ones that closed ( as far as I'm aware) are Yeovil and Wycombe. Most non league clubs now have good youth set ups as well, locally WSM, FGR and Bath City all have them. Westons academy is shocking, I will be doing all in my power to stop any of my lads at my junior club from going there, Cheddar have a better youth set up than Weston FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 I know that Weston Super Mare have sides in the Midland Junior Premier League and Bath City U16's were at Treforest the other night playing Cardiff City U15's. Don't know about Forest Green Rovers. Non of that is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 Well Fontaine and Kilkenny can go... ...and I'm not that bothered about Baldock. Agreed. The first two especially are sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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