Police Wanting Help

[WellRedPhil]

I've been punched,kicked, hit with a Baton had dogs snarling at me and police on horses pushing me along, all this by the Police.

All this just for being at a football match, I wonder if we could have mugshots of these "officers of the law" put up for US to see?

Many a time I've been told to " fxxk off" when I've asked for the policeman's number ( which always seem to be hidden), the West Midlands force spring to mind.

It seems that me being at a football match seems to give them the right to do whatever they want to me.

Yes, I expect quite a few of these lads did wrong, but I bet the provocation from the Police won't be taken into consideration.

Isn't that the classic, exactly the same goes for bouncers. It's their legal duty to provide their number when asked but rarely do you receive it, occasionally another officer will obtain it for you but these instances seem few and far between.

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

Police, Bristol City and however is reading this

I am not a grass, But I can point you in the right direction

There's this sneaky geezer likes to keep his head down, Well there is a very high chance these people will belong to his group of Pwopper Nawty Geezers, He goes by the name of Randy Marsh keeps himself to himself but likes to have a well organised scrap (I mean well organised, Sandwiches, Family Friendly viewing points, Seats, Takes Health and safety into consideration) This is the guy who would be ITK

This is a joke, Randy Marsh is a windup on here, Don't put this in BEP!!!!!!

[bcfcbs20]

Isn't that the classic, exactly the same goes for bouncers. It's their legal duty to provide their number when asked but rarely do you receive it, occasionally another officer will obtain it for you but these instances seem few and far between.

Damm straight I'm not giving out my name and address to some pissed up idiots.

[Northern Red]

53 is Tom Heaton...

[GodEmperor Palpatine]

Police, Bristol City and however is reading this

I am not a grass, But I can point you in the right direction

There's this sneaky geezer likes to keep his head down, Well there is a very high chance these people will belong to his group of Pwopper Nawty Geezers, He goes by the name of Randy Marsh keeps himself to himself but likes to have a well organised scrap (I mean well organised, Sandwiches, Family Friendly viewing points, Seats, Takes Health and safety into consideration) This is the guy who would be ITK

This is a joke, Randy Marsh is a windup on here, Don't put this in BEP!!!!!!

Will be the front page of the BEP pal, after all they got to find City related stories to fill their paper over the coming summer months

[Mr Mosquito]

I expect some of you would grass your own family up aswell.

Some of the policing that day was bad, and i doubt they have done much about that.

Did anyone else see the mounted policeman, strike a fellow city fan on the head with his baton? This city fan was just walking along, wasnt being violent in any way. The policeman then went on to have smirk on his face like he was enjoying it, while the city fan had blood coming from his head.

These fans could of done very very little, not anything worse than what you see on a friday night out, there though people would just end up with a £80 fine and a night in the cells.

As the people are football fans, they are dragged through the press without any evidence. How would you like it, if your photo was put in the paper before you had a chance to talk to the police? A photo saying you beat someone up, or liked children etc.

Indeed, it's about time the Police put their own house in order, especially regarding the ongoing Hillsborough cover up and scandal..........

Hillsborough proves Britain’s police can never again be trusted

September 16, 2012

By Raymond Peytors - theopinionsite.org

Hillsborough proves that Britain’s police can never be trusted again

The confirmation of massive police corruption and dishonesty relating to the Hillsborough disaster has sadly but unambiguously confirmed what TheOpinionSite.org has been saying for years: British police officers can never be trusted.

It is not only the scale of the corruption engaged within the South Yorkshire force that has shocked the public; not even the fact that the then officer in charge, Sir Norman Bettison has gone on to an illustrious career with West Yorkshire Constabulary or that he tried to smear the High Court judge who led the original Hillsborough inquiry in 1989.

It is not even the fact that the West Midlands police that investigated the South Yorkshire force gave that force a clean bill of health over Hillsborough, despite knowing full well that officers were lying and altering evidence in order to protect themselves.

It is not even the fact that the police themselves doctored and edited more than 100 statements of evidence in order to blame fans and exonerate officers, sickening though that is.

What has dragged Britain’s police to the gutter is the fact that for 23 years, police officers who knew that their colleagues were at fault said nothing and the criminals wearing police uniforms who thought they had got away with it were prepared to do anything necessary to hide the truth, safe in the knowledge that neither the government, MPs or the press would ever speak out against “Britain’s wonderful police”.

With politicians and police officers, civil servants and even the Sun newspaper queuing up to say “sorry” after having forced untold misery upon Hillsborough survivors and relatives of those who died, this week the airwaves have been full of putrid, verbal vomit issuing forth from the mouths of those who were involved.

Finally, the deceit was confirmed on Wednesday, even though most British people were already fairly convinced that gross police dishonesty and corruption had taken place 23 years ago and every day since.

The nauseating and ever arrogant Kelvin Mackenzie, the former editor of the Sun who published the headline, “The Truth”, finally admitted he would have been better off using the word ‘lie’ instead. This nauseating man has no excuse though as even the reporter who originally covered the story told Mackenzie at the time that the headline was wrong and should not be used.

The principal source for the story, a former right-wing, wealthy Conservative MP, Sir Irvine Patrick also tried to squirm his way out of trouble by claiming that he had been given “wholly inaccurate” information by the police. TheOpinionSite.org suggests that he should have kept his mouth shut instead of trying to cash in on the then fashionable view that all football fans and young people were thugs; a view still held by many Conservatives today.

For all their statements of ‘remorse’ – if one can call it that – the real truth in all this is still not being discussed openly because for many, the truth is too terrible to contemplate:

That truth is that British police are and have always been corrupt and that successive governments have made it easier for them to act dishonestly by giving officers excessive powers which are open to varying interpretation exercised under what is hypocritically termed, “Professional Judgement”.

The former Home Secretary, Jack Straw was criticised by Thatcher supporters for saying that Margaret Thatcher had to keep the police on the side of the government because it was necessary for the police to deal with the miners, who were in revolt against the government, in a “partisan” manner; the very manner in which police should never act.

As TheOpinionSite.org has pointed out before, the dishonesty and deceit went right to the top of government at the time of Hillsborough and still does to this day. The present Home Secretary, Theresa May and her recent predecessors have given even more draconian powers to policemen in an attempt to thwart judges and to prevent justice being administered in our evidence-based courts instead of in the local police station by often biased police officers.

The proof is that everyone in government for the last 23 years knew that the police were corrupt; ministers and MPs knew that by giving police more powers, government was less likely to be blamed when things went wrong; they were all praying that the truth would never come out.

Don’t listen either to those senior police officers and politicians who tell us, “Things are very different now.”

The only thing that is different is that Britain’s police today have even more excessive power than they had before and even greater opportunities to misuse that power.

The evidence for ongoing police corruption is clear and plentiful:

Hillsborough, the Leveson Inquiry, failed phone-hacking investigations, revelations that the tabloid press and the police are feeding off each other, ‘lost’ police evidence leading to the collapse of major trials involving former officers, arrests of policemen for everything from Class A drug distribution to downloading child porn, misuse of the Police National Computer, false arrests, failure to submit to questioning by coroners in ‘suspicious’ or ‘death in custody’ cases…the list goes on and on and on.

Britain’s police cannot be – and yes, let’s say it – should never be trusted again. There will always be the risk that they will behave as though they were ‘above the Law’, just as they have done in the past. It is today just too easy for them to break the law, lie, fabricate evidence and ‘fit people up’ as has always been suspected but is now proven.

The same thinking can be applied to the agencies that associate most with the police; prisons, the Probation Service and the highly secretive and unaccountable MAPPA system. They are also just as dishonest and corrupt as Britain’s police forces, as the thousands of people who have suffered at the hands of these agencies would testify if only they had the chance to do so and were not scared out of their wits to take the stand.

The late Lord Denning made it clear that in his opinion, the police always tell the truth. We now have absolute proof that in reality, they often lie through their teeth.

After Denning’s death, the second appeal of the Birmingham Six succeeded but only after the bigoted and frankly rather naive old man was dead and buried.

In 1980, Lord Denning refused the first appeal of the Birmingham Six, giving as one of his reasons:

“If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous – - -. That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, ‘It cannot be right that these actions should go any further’.”

Unfortunately, everything that Denning was afraid to admit has now been proved to be true. The British police are corrupt, have always been corrupt and, in the view of many ordinary members of the public, lawyers and even some judges, are always likely to be corrupt.

The same applies to the Probation Service and associated agencies.

For example, it is absurd and unjust that an often inexperienced probation officer should be advising a judge on the sentence to be handed down to an offender by means of a highly subjective Pre-Sentence Report. The sentence is for the judge to decide; it should have nothing whatsoever to do with the probation officer or the probation officer’s opinionated and usually career-advancing views.

Hillsborough and the revelations relating to the tragedy – a tragedy that may have been avoided – have scared today’s government into making an apology, though what use that is exactly is open to question.

TheOpinionSite.org believes that what is really necessary is for police officers, especially senior police officers, to be stripped of many of the legal and decision making powers that they have, that such powers should be returned to the hands of unbiased judges and that policemen should do what they are supposed to do: to collect evidence and to uphold – but not make or force the creation of – the laws of the land.

The sad truth is that with the ‘tribal’ mentality that exists in the UK’s police forces, even were an officer want to come forward to tell the truth about a colleague, he would be too afraid to do so; afraid of losing his job, his pension and possibly even being ‘fitted-up’ himself.

Whatever opinion one may have previously held, if we are to judge on the evidence that we now have, both old and new that the police are corrupt from the very top to the very bottom, it is simply not reasonable to believe or even to hope that Britain’s police officers can ever be trusted ever again.

TheOpinionSite.org makes no apology for saying, “We told you so” for the sad fact is, we did.

(The Hillsborough Report is available at http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/report/HIP_report.pdf and you can discuss this topic further by joining our Forum)

Source: http://www.theopinionsite.org/hillsborough-proves-britains-police-can-never-again-be-trusted/

[TRUEBRIT66]

Ive been to the bath and west show today and watched the mounted police with "teenage girls" on the back of two huge great horses prance around.

Twice the idiot on the the tannoy brought up City and gloated how they (the police) sorted out public disorder on a regular basis.

Not once did they mention of how when they charge do innocent people get hurt....................sorry but the police can kiss my arse, and no I wouldnt call them if my house was burgaled other than to get a number to claim on the insurance as they are a waste of space.

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

Will be the front page of the BEP pal, after all they got to find City related stories to fill their paper over the coming summer months

They'll use his avatar asking if they've seen him!?!

"Bristol City hitman wanted"

Bristol City hitman Randy Marsh is wanted by police for anti social behaviour at a football match in Cardiff on the 16th February, He is known for his organised scraps as we have found out from a football forum member named JakeBCFC (Quote what I said, Even the bit at the bottom! ) This gives us enough evidence that Randy Marsh is the person the police are hunting for for information about the incidents on the 16th February 2013

Stockhausen Sign me up!!!!

[dafarms]

So without knowing what the alleged offence is for each person, some people think posting these mugshots is a good thing?

Wallsall away. The treatment of Dafarms at Millwall - there's plenty more.

Don't ever trust the police when it comes to football.

Exactly, I caught the train from Parson street to Temple meads with my 11 year old son and 65 year old man. When we arrived at Temple Meads to change for Cardiff, there were approx 50-60 city on the platform, and the old bill pushed passed everyone, grabbed me off the train infront of my petrified son, and said we want to search you for a weapon. I got really f*cked off seeing my son crying his eyes out, asking the big poolice officer, what his dad had done.

They told me that they had info that I was carry a weapon, WHAT WITH A 11 YEAR OLD SON AND A 65 YEAR OLD MAN. Did they find anything, did they ****, This is harrasment, just because I tried taking them to court because of Millwall. I

[Atlanta_Red]

So last year I was driving back from a work meeting. It was dark. The Jeep Cherokee in front of me was weaving all over the road, crossing the median one minute and the hitting the dirt and hedges the next, sending dust and leaves right at me. He was clearly drunk. We then drove through a small town where I saw a cop sat in his car at a junction. Should I stop and tell the cop?

Too right.

I "grassed". The cop sped off after the Jeep. A few miles up the road I saw the blue flashing lights and the two cars pulled over. I had a small pang of guilt, but I also pride myself that I may have avoided an accident that could have killed the driver, or even worse, an innocent driver or pedestrian.

[TRUEBRIT66]

So last year I was driving back from a work meeting. It was dark. The Jeep Cherokee in front of me was weaving all over the road, crossing the median one minute and the hitting the dirt and hedges the next, sending dust and leaves right at me. He was clearly drunk. We then drove through a small town where I saw a cop sat in his car at a junction. Should I stop and tell the cop?

Too right.

I "grassed". The cop sped off after the Jeep. A few miles up the road I saw the blue flashing lights and the two cars pulled over. I had a small pang of guilt, but I also pride myself that I may have avoided an accident that could have killed the driver, or even worse, an innocent driver or pedestrian.

Good on you, but would you "grass" up the chaps in the photos not knowing what they were actually accused of ?

You "reported" a incident not "grassed" a face accused of what ?

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

Exactly, I caught the train from Parson street to Temple meads with my 11 year old son and 65 year old man. When we arrived at Temple Meads to change for Cardiff, there were approx 50-60 city on the platform, and the old bill pushed passed everyone, grabbed me off the train infront of my petrified son, and said we want to search you for a weapon. I got really f*cked off seeing my son crying his eyes out, asking the big poolice officer, what his dad had done.

They told me that they had info that I was carry a weapon, WHAT WITH A 11 YEAR OLD SON AND A 65 YEAR OLD MAN. Did they find anything, did they ****, This is harrasment, just because I tried taking them to court because of Millwall. I

Sorry I may have missed the Millwall incident, Could you explain what happened please

[dafarms]

Sorry I may have missed the Millwall incident, Could you explain what happened please

That was a couple of seasons ago, went there on the Tuesday with my old man I had just had a operation on my crucieat ( knee) ligament, and I have a stutter, there was no trouble, but the Bristol copper told the London Copper to nick me for being drunk. I asked for a breath test to prove I was not drunk, but was refused, verbally abused all night in the police station. The when they let me out, told me my old man had come to the police station because he was worried and collasped and got rushed to hospital. I then tried taking them to court but got no where. The the s*it at temple meads away to Cardiff, so I personally can not stand the old bill.

[East End Old Boy]

different to breaking up some furniture.

Ha ha, someone knows something!!!!!!!!

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

That was a couple of seasons ago, went there on the Tuesday with my old man I had just had a operation on my crucieat ( knee) ligament, and I have a stutter, there was no trouble, but the Bristol copper told the London Copper to nick me for being drunk. I asked for a breath test to prove I was not drunk, but was refused, verbally abused all night in the police station. The when they let me out, told me my old man had come to the police station because he was worried and collasped and got rushed to hospital. I then tried taking them to court but got no where. The the s*it at temple meads away to Cardiff, so I personally can not stand the old bill.

Jesus, That is sickening to read, I'm. sorry to hear about the incident, It seems the old bill have it in for you but thething is it looks like that is true

[poland_red]

I love the hypocrisy and 'no grass' posturing, so you are sat in a bar with your family when it all kicks off and one of yours is injured, 'no grass'?

honestly, if I had a kid I would not take them to the pub in the first place - these are adult environments where you get drinking, bad language, and blimey, even a bit of sneaky drug taking. I see nothing wrong in any of the above, but wouldn't want to expose a kid of mine to that. Neither should others. Family-friendly pubs, don't make me laugh, when did that all come about. And in the unlikely event I was to take kids to a pub, i'd bloody well make sure it wasn't coinciding with a game against Cardiff or any others where, at the very least, one can expect a rather vibrant and medieval atmosphere.

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

honestly, if I had a kid I would not take them to the pub in the first place - these are adult environments where you get drinking, bad language, and blimey, even a bit of sneaky drug taking. I see nothing wrong in any of the above, but wouldn't want to expose a kid of mine to that. Neither should others. Family-friendly pubs, don't make me laugh, when did that all come about. And in the unlikely event I was to take kids to a pub, i'd bloody well make sure it wasn't coinciding with a game against Cardiff or any others where, at the very least, one can expect a rather vibrant and medieval atmosphere.

I thought pubs were family friendly? Especially before 7 anyway

[monkeygoblin]

Nobody is throwing them to the wolves. The only people that are suggesting they are assumed as guilty are the people claiming we should never 'grass'.

There is no crime listed against any of them because they are not accused of anything (yet). They are merely people that the police want to speak to.

There are many a post from the 'squeaky clean' which have made me think 'bumbling, blathering idiot'. As I scan my eyes to the left of such posts, I see your picture.

You sir, take the biscuit. Is it a Jammy Dodger?

[Red-Robbo]

Is Dave the Ocelot and his feared accomplice Quentin the Office Supplies Sales Manager in that line-up? They're always up for a 'toe-to-toe'!

Seriously, like many here I've lost faith in the police and court system when it comes to dealing with football fans so unless I'd personally witnessed some horrendous incident I'd keep my snout out of something like this.

I don't like idiots and thugs labelling themselves fans of my club, but I have no confidence inSouth Wales fuzz sorting the sheep from the goats. (You'd think they'd be the experts at that over there!)

[Harry]

So they've already arrested 16 people and charged 3. They're now looking for 16 more.

That's 32 arrests. Now, I was in Cardiff that day and was in the escort all day long. I saw absolutely NOTHING to warrant 32 arrests. I'm stunned at this. The only thing that happened all day (aside from a couple of tables overturned in a pub) was that the police kept all the City fans kettled, and if anyone strayed too close to the edge they got a thwack from the batons. I can't see how 32 arrests can be made for this?

However, we all know how the courts deal with anyone arrested at a football match. So whether any of this lot actually did or didn't do anything worthy of arrest, they're all gonna get a 3 year ban regardless. There's no such thing as innocent once you've been arrested at football.

[JM91]

Welcome to Bristol City's equivalent of debate.

half the fans take one ridiculously extreme view, the other half take the opposite yet equally ridiculous extreme view.

Both defend your stance as stubbornly as possible.

I've particularly enjoyed the comparison of petty vandalism to murder and terrorism.

[Barrs Court Red]

So they've already arrested 16 people and charged 3. They're now looking for 16 more.

That's 32 arrests. Now, I was in Cardiff that day and was in the escort all day long. I saw absolutely NOTHING to warrant 32 arrests. I'm stunned at this. The only thing that happened all day (aside from a couple of tables overturned in a pub) was that the police kept all the City fans kettled, and if anyone strayed too close to the edge they got a thwack from the batons. I can't see how 32 arrests can be made for this?

However, we all know how the courts deal with anyone arrested at a football match. So whether any of this lot actually did or didn't do anything worthy of arrest, they're all gonna get a 3 year ban regardless. There's no such thing as innocent once you've been arrested at football.

TThat's ok according to some in here they have nothing to worry about, but its probably their own fault anyway.

[REBS14]

Over reaction, lets hope the police take the same stance on a rape/murder/terrorist/ crime - Ohhh Nooooo Wait its football violence that's much worse, bring back hanging & while your at it get the water board out.

It never ceases to amaze me, everyone the other day on twitter were basically sympathising with the Woolwich scum, saying how it wasn't a crime of religion bla bla but when football is involved the papers/media/police are hastily building gallows to hang everyone.

Another thing that gets on my t---s is the fact that crowd trouble is 100 x worse in other countrys but English football always gets centre stage - "its over to sky sports news and we interrupt this broadcast to bring the latest on a group of Italian supporters throwing missiles at a player" on no wait lets go back to the UK where a Liverpool fan has sworn at the ref - that's the reality of it all - utter tripe and b---x

The city lads have done nothing wrong until proven otherwise, but now they have had their mug shots emblazoned all over dodgy tabloids they will be tarnished as thugs, hooligans - Deformation of character anyone?

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

So they've already arrested 16 people and charged 3. They're now looking for 16 more.

That's 32 arrests. Now, I was in Cardiff that day and was in the escort all day long. I saw absolutely NOTHING to warrant 32 arrests. I'm stunned at this. The only thing that happened all day (aside from a couple of tables overturned in a pub) was that the police kept all the City fans kettled, and if anyone strayed too close to the edge they got a thwack from the batons. I can't see how 32 arrests can be made for this?

However, we all know how the courts deal with anyone arrested at a football match. So whether any of this lot actually did or didn't do anything worthy of arrest, they're all gonna get a 3 year ban regardless. There's no such thing as innocent once you've been arrested at football.

Right after the match when someone took a heavy blow from a batton as some of our fans pushed through the gates? But let's be honest, How is that worthy of an arrest? The only person it harmed was someone who got pushed through the gates towards an officer who wanted to use his batton

In the ground, Nothing kicked off, The Weatherspoons apart from the smoke bombs and smashed tables, but was there 32 people at fault for that, 5 at most

Escort back, Again nothing worthy of an arrest

Unless I kept out of trouble and missed it all, It seems to me there looking for an excuse to bring the bubble back.

[sglosbcfc]

It is time to stop this sort of thing, I know them all so I am going to grass them all up -

6 Scott Murray

7 Dariusz Dziekanowski

15 Simon Rouse

18 Neil Ruddock

20 Brian Harvey

35 Tim Burgess

38 Roy Keane

39 Stephen Hendry

40 Noel Gallagher

41 Danny Dyer

42 Luke Goss

47 Alan Halsall

50 Stephen McManus

51 Lee MacDonald

52 Mark Wright

53 Tom Heaton

It is surprising with so many of these boys being household names that it has taken so long for the Hedllu to track them down.

[BrizzleRed]

So they've already arrested 16 people and charged 3. They're now looking for 16 more.

That's 32 arrests. Now, I was in Cardiff that day and was in the escort all day long. I saw absolutely NOTHING to warrant 32 arrests. I'm stunned at this. The only thing that happened all day (aside from a couple of tables overturned in a pub) was that the police kept all the City fans kettled, and if anyone strayed too close to the edge they got a thwack from the batons. I can't see how 32 arrests can be made for this?

However, we all know how the courts deal with anyone arrested at a football match. So whether any of this lot actually did or didn't do anything worthy of arrest, they're all gonna get a 3 year ban regardless. There's no such thing as innocent once you've been arrested at football.

Bang on there and I have bitter experience of that.

There are some bloody naive people posting on here, who've got a very fluffy idea of the police role at a football match. If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about my arse. Police may be largely there to uphold law and order in normal life, but normal rules seem to go out of the window when football is involved.

If there was somebody badly injured and there was proof someone in a photo was responsible at Cardiff, it would be different, but I wouldn't mind betting if names were put to any of those faces, innocent or not, by the time they got to court, they would have the label of just another football hooligan and have the book chucked at them.

Don't trust the misconception that you're innocent until proved guilty when you're at football.

[Stortz]

So they've already arrested 16 people and charged 3. They're now looking for 16 more.

That's 32 arrests. Now, I was in Cardiff that day and was in the escort all day long. I saw absolutely NOTHING to warrant 32 arrests. I'm stunned at this. The only thing that happened all day (aside from a couple of tables overturned in a pub) was that the police kept all the City fans kettled, and if anyone strayed too close to the edge they got a thwack from the batons. I can't see how 32 arrests can be made for this?

However, we all know how the courts deal with anyone arrested at a football match. So whether any of this lot actually did or didn't do anything worthy of arrest, they're all gonna get a 3 year ban regardless. There's no such thing as innocent once you've been arrested at football.

That's the scary thing isn't it, the evening post quotes the SWP and lists the 'unacceptable' behavior of City fans that day which apparently includes drinking on the train and singing songs. Yet you'd think there had been pitched battles all over the principality from the reaction.

Anyone who was there knows there was next to no trouble for a Severnside derby. There was absolutely no fighting between the fans and nothing beyond some pushing and shoving from our side with the Heddlu. The SWP didn't want the bubble to be lifted in the first place and are determined that it will be restored next time we play (whenever that may be), and were keen to show their credentials in advance of clubs like Man U visiting in the premiership.

[Bobby kellard hero]

Totally agree

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

Good luck with Swansea next season Heddlu maybe that'll show you what trouble really looks like!

[BrizzleRed]

That's the scary thing isn't it, the evening post quotes the SWP and lists the 'unacceptable' behavior of City fans that day which apparently includes drinking on the train and singing songs. Yet you'd think there had been pitched battles all over the principality from the reaction.

Anyone who was there knows there was next to no trouble for a Severnside derby. There was absolutely no fighting between the fans and nothing beyond some pushing and shoving from our side with the Heddlu. The SWP didn't want the bubble to be lifted in the first place and are determined that it will be restored next time we play (whenever that may be), and were keen to show their credentials in advance of clubs like Man U visiting in the Premier League.

Exactly and they'll happily use the example of the "trouble" at this year's game as justification.

The problem is, who will most people believe, our fine, upstanding police force or a bunch of hooligan football supporters? I think most non football people in this country believe a large proportion of football supporters are hooligans, because that's the image the media seem to like to portray.