spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 .... For me.... was Elliot Parish's performance. And i'm really glad SoD has mentioned it in his post match interview. I really do hope he plays him again Saturday. He commanded his area well, and was constantly organising and talking to the defence in front of him. I believe this is what we have been missing. Our defence looked a lot more assured last night and I believe Parish had a lot to do with that. His Distribution was good too... actually looking to find a player. He caught well and was agile. No offence to Fielding... but he gives me the jitters. I understand SoD likes Fieldings Distribution... however Fielding for me, is not as Commanding as Parish and tends to Flap instead of being composed. I'm not a fan of his constant punching of the ball either. Anyone else feel the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cap flinger Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I think that fielding will be back in for Saturday but Parrish will start against the rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 ... For me.... was Elliot Parish's performance. And i'm really glad SoD has mentioned it in his post match interview. I really do hope he plays him again Saturday. He commanded his area well, and was constantly organising and talking to the defence in front of him. I believe this is what we have been missing. Our defence looked a lot more assured last night and I believe Parish had a lot to do with that. His Distribution was good too... actually looking to find a player. He caught well and was agile. No offence to Fielding... but he gives me the jitters. I understand SoD likes Fieldings Distribution... however Fielding for me, is not as Commanding as Parish and tends to Flap instead of being composed. I'm not a fan of his constant punching of the ball either. Anyone else feel the same way? I didn't realise that Jane Austen was a City fan - I'm impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I think FF will be back in for Gills, Parish in for the blue few; if he does well there, he might get a starting spot in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everreddy Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Totally agree with that analysis, Spudski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 can tell from his interview that he believes he can take number 1 spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Glad I'm not the only one r.e. Fielding, he doesn't look confident at all after his two errors vs Bradford. Impressed with Parish's kicking last night and agree with all above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The main thing is that Parish is giving Fielding competition for the starting place. Parish looked decent last night, dealt with a few suspect backpasses from Williams with minimum of fuss. However Palace didn't really test him with any crosses/shots (nothing he could have done about the wonderstrike at the end) so can't really judge from the one game whether he is better than Fielding. I'd persevere with Fielding for now, but like those above mention, another solid performance against the Rovers and he should be looking at a few starts in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 ... For me.... was Elliot Parish's performance. And i'm really glad SoD has mentioned it in his post match interview. I really do hope he plays him again Saturday. He commanded his area well, and was constantly organising and talking to the defence in front of him. I believe this is what we have been missing. Our defence looked a lot more assured last night and I believe Parish had a lot to do with that. His Distribution was good too... actually looking to find a player. He caught well and was agile. No offence to Fielding... but he gives me the jitters. I understand SoD likes Fieldings Distribution... however Fielding for me, is not as Commanding as Parish and tends to Flap instead of being composed. I'm not a fan of his constant punching of the ball either. Anyone else feel the same way? Sorry Spudski but on iPhone i can't read the font ,classy though it is .Maybe it's just me ol' mince pies that are n't up to it any more ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Parish had one save to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Sorry Spudski but on iPhone i can't read the font ,classy though it is .Maybe it's just me ol' mince pies that are n't up to it any more ! Apologies mate... just tried to edit the font size for you, but it won't do it i'm afraid. As for calling for Fieldings head as mentioned by Corleone... this has nothing to do with the Bradford game. It's based on all his performances. I prefer what I see in Parish over Fielding. A GK is part of the Defence and can really help organise the defenders by being vocal and composed. Fielding seems to be one of those 'Eccentric' type keepers, who doesn't give off an air of confidence or composure. It's not just about making 'Saves'... but the whole package. Fielding is a good keeper... but he does flap and panic... that is not what our fragile defence needs. Last night you could tell our defenders had confidence in what Parish was doing. I felt the same about David James... a good keeper on his day... but you could tell the defenders were nervous around him. Right now we don't need Eccentricity or a flapper... but someone who is calm and commanding and can go about his way almost unnoticed. It breeds confidence... which is something we desperately need at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This palace side were the worst we will probably play all season, with Parish having nothing to do. Would be interesting to see how he would do against aides who put pressure on our defence. Personally I would stick with fielding, only because I think he saved our arse against MK with that quality save. Parrish made one good save - a bobbling ball swinging in through a sea of legs - and as for the goal, he had no chance. Agree with Spudski, that he commanded his area better than Fielding. I could hear his shouts in Row O of the Dolman! Wouldn't be a bad thing to rotate 'em. I hate this 'he's an automatic pick' mentality with any position. As for Palace putting out their 'B' side. We played a number of players who have featured and will feature in the PL and others who were in a Championship promotion side. They were made to look very ordinary, but if we play like that in the league, so will most L1 sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Parish had nothing to do though :s. No offence mate... but GK'ing isn't just about making Saves.... He did plenty last night to prove he's a quality Keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Glad to see we have competition in this area, if some on here had had their way we'd have only brought in 1 keeper in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 No offence mate... but GK'ing isn't just about making Saves.... He did plenty last night to prove he's a quality Keeper. Although he had few shot's/crosses to deal with you are right, he looked composed but I wonder how composed he'd be after a mistake/soft goal Both are competent goalkeepers and, in this day and age (post 93) there is alot more to being a professional goalkeeper than being a good shot stopper - I joke with a mate about minolet being a shot stopper worth £'x'm. To make it pro, you should be a good shot stopper. I was impressed with his distribution and also the definite way he passed the ball out when he didn't want to go long. Could well be a race on between these two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 One mistake against Bradford and people seem to be calling for Fieldings head (as they did Heaton when he conceeded goals). Think he has been decent for us....not his fault that the defence in front of him is dogshit. That's the problem for keepers - the consequences of their mistakes are usually more severe than outfield players. If Fielding didn't make the rush to the edge of the box, it is probable that Bradford would not have got back into the game, we would have come away with 3 points, our tails would be up, we would remain unbeaten this season and we wouldn't have had to suffer Ralph Milnes Left Foot's ongoing catalogue of emails about SOD's failing plan. So yes, Fielding has a lot to answer for and I can quite understand people calling for his head!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briz Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 You can't really judge after 1 game where he's had nothing to do, but, Parish looked alot more confident and solid than fielding. I would play Feilding Saturday and Parish Wednesday. Hopefully a bit of good competition will help Feilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Parish was fine and he certainly looked comfortable throughout the game. However he did not have much to do and we should not get too ahead of ourselves, the performance of our 'keeper certainly wasn't the highlight of the evening! Fielding has looked shaky at times and needs to work on his positioning in terms of coming off of his line but he has looked a good shot stopper thus far. In regards to who will play at Gillingham, I would imagine Fielding will be back in but if SO'D goes for Parish there will be no reason for concern based on last night's showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mate... it's not about what the opposition did last night or FF's mistake against Bradford. Parish showed all the other qualities that have been missing from FF's game. Organising the defence, Confidence, composed, vocal, assured, assertive, good safe hands, agile, intelligent and accurate distribution. Fielding is definitely 'a shot stopper' but imho, he lacks the other qualities that Parish showed last night. All those qualities make the defence and rest of the team feel confident. When Palace scored, it was because our midfield dropped too deep pushing our defence back even further. You could see Palace were going to score because of this. City have been guilty of doing this toward the end of games... tbh... a lot of our midfield looked knackered in the last 15/10 mins... It's a bit of a worry and a fault of ours. However... Parish was constantly shouting for our midfield and defence to defend further up and not to sit back and and let them come at us. As too was SoD... I should imagine SoD gave them a right bollocking for this after the game. It does bother me that the biggest culprit of coming too deep and dragging players with him, is Pack. Quality player, but has a habit of coming too deep and creating room for himself. Just an observation.... This is not about the Bradford mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The worst thing about last night is that Bryan and Williams have hamstring strains and are likely to miss saturdays game, looks like Liam will get another reprieve OMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 On that basis Basso should never have last as long as he did! What bollocks. Comments made with tongue very much in cheek and to introduce a note of humour re RMLF's continued sceptical posts. On a serious level, at the moment one of the key issues we seem to have is the stability and confidence in and among our defensive unit. Judging by the comments on here, in the early games we seemed to have a chicken and egg situation with our back 4 and the keeper. Was Fielding nervous as a result of lack of confidence in the defenders in front of him, or was the back 4 less than confident in the keeper, or perhaps a bit of both? Physiologically, it might just be that Parrish instils more confidence among the defence than does Fielding, and if this makes our defensive unit stronger then he could be the best choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The worst thing about last night is that Bryan and Williams have hamstring strains and are likely to miss saturdays game, looks like Liam will get another reprieve OMG. Are you sure? In his post-match comments, O'Driscoll put both substitutions down to 'fatigue', young players having top play two intense games in four days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Are you sure? In his post-match comments, O'Driscoll put both substitutions down to 'fatigue', young players having top play two intense games in four days. Sorry, take it all back. Just seen the reference to hamstrings on the official site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I was impressed with his kicking and distribution, very calm with the ball at his feet. No panic, no fuss, couple of good low saves. As mentioned no chance with their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This palace side were the worst we will probably play all season Wow. Sometimes I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Wow. Sometimes I wonder. I don't even wonder these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 .... For me.... was Elliot Parish's performance. And i'm really glad SoD has mentioned it in his post match interview. I really do hope he plays him again Saturday. He commanded his area well, and was constantly organising and talking to the defence in front of him. I believe this is what we have been missing. Our defence looked a lot more assured last night and I believe Parish had a lot to do with that. His Distribution was good too... actually looking to find a player. He caught well and was agile. No offence to Fielding... but he gives me the jitters. I understand SoD likes Fieldings Distribution... however Fielding for me, is not as Commanding as Parish and tends to Flap instead of being composed. I'm not a fan of his constant punching of the ball either. Anyone else feel the same way? Glowing report for a goalkeeper that had very little to do. In fact I think he made one save all game. He did the basics well enough I suppose but then he is a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Isn't it nice to be wondering who is the better of our two keepers, rather than who is the worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Glowing report for a goalkeeper that had very little to do. In fact I think he made one save all game. He did the basics well enough I suppose but then he is a professional. No disrespect to yourself... But I really don't understand some peoples understanding of football on here. When you say... 'Had very little to do'... That has to be the dimmest view of a G'king position. Do you think they just stand their waiting for shots to rain in? Yes... He didn't have to make many 'Saves'... but he was immense throughout the rest of the game, for all the reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Gk'ing is so much more than 'Shot stopping'. It's the 'basics' as you put it, that are of most importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Isn't it nice to be wondering who is the better of our two keepers, rather than who is the worse? or the less bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 or the less bad! Shouldn't that be less worser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 To say he was immense is completely ott. Laughable. Well we obviously watch football through different eye's. We'll have to agree to disagree. I often disagree with many of your posts... Nothing personal... each to their own. Your own statement of ' Palarse treated the game nothing more than a training ground friendly.....won't find another side like that all season'... has to be the most laughable post in this thread... imho. Yes they didn't play there first team... which considering the games coming up in the Prem, is understandable. However... the players that played all had a point to prove, and 49% possession suggests otherwise. As was Holloways and Millens frustrations on the sideline. Out of Interest, do you mind me asking which part of the ground you watch the games from? From the EE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Shouldn't that be less worser? Show off. Just 'cause you passed CSE English no need to rub my nose in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 No disrespect to yourself... But I really don't understand some peoples understanding of football on here. When you say... 'Had very little to do'... That has to be the dimmest view of a G'king position. Do you think they just stand their waiting for shots to rain in? Yes... He didn't have to make many 'Saves'... but he was immense throughout the rest of the game, for all the reasons I've mentioned in previous posts. Gk'ing is so much more than 'Shot stopping'. It's the 'basics' as you put it, that are of most importance. My point being is that being a professional goalkeeper he must have an above average grasp of the basics. It's his job! He didn't have many balls into the box or crosses to deal with last night. Palace were pretty toothless going forward. I'm not saying he's a crap keeper but I saying that he didnt have enough pressure on him last night to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Parish did well but didn't have much to do. Fielding in goal for Gillingham and Parish for Rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Parish did well but saying it was the best thing about last nights performance is stretching it. Especially when we witnessed fine performances from two young Bristolians in Reid and Bryan. That was by far the best bit of the night for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I'd have Fielding back for Saturday. He was poor against Bradford but at MK Dons he made a cracking save to earn us a point and did well so hopefully that first game was a blip. Parish did OK but didn't really see enough of him making saves to know if he is any good yet. As someone else mentioned, would be good to see Parish play in the JPT next week as that will be a real pressure game to judge him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 r Go on their forum....some of those players were from the youth side and others 3rd or 4th choice....it was a dogshit side that Hollowhead made clear didn't give a shit about (fixture) No other team that we play will treat the fixture with such contempt. If u think otherwise ur deluded. I sit in EE or dolman I go to both depending. I have read parts of their forum. That means Jack tbh, as most forums are full of twaddle... I'd much rather judge with my own eye's. The majority of the CP team were 'Squad' players. There were also players that at one point or other will play in or have played in the Prem this year or in their Promotion winning side last year. If you think the likes of Kevin Phillips are rubbish, and to a lesser degree Ramage, Dobbie, Wibrahim, Grandin then you my friend are the deluded one. The young player Williams also put in a tremendous shift... to say they weren't bothered is laughable. As a 'team' they just didn't gel on the night... but there was plenty of experience out their to test our young side. Holloway may have not been bothered about the fixture or result... but certainly the players on the pitch were. If you think they were such a 'dogshit' side as you so eloquently put it, then you should have more concerns over our own team, as we only had 51% possession against a team you think were awful. As for Bryan and Reid... as someone else mentioned. I already know their capabilities so it wasn't of so much concern, however great their performance was. For me... Parish's performance was what made me happy, because I've not been impressed with Fielding since he's been here. Yes... he's a 'shot stopper'... it's the rest of his game that worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I sit in EE or dolman I go to both depending. Where were you sat last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mate... it's not about what the opposition did last night or FF's mistake against Bradford. Parish showed all the other qualities that have been missing from FF's game. Organising the defence, Confidence, composed, vocal, assured, assertive, good safe hands, agile, intelligent and accurate distribution. Fielding is definitely 'a shot stopper' but imho, he lacks the other qualities that Parish showed last night. All those qualities make the defence and rest of the team feel confident. When Palace scored, it was because our midfield dropped too deep pushing our defence back even further. You could see Palace were going to score because of this. City have been guilty of doing this toward the end of games... tbh... a lot of our midfield looked knackered in the last 15/10 mins... It's a bit of a worry and a fault of ours. However... Parish was constantly shouting for our midfield and defence to defend further up and not to sit back and and let them come at us. As too was SoD... I should imagine SoD gave them a right bollocking for this after the game. It does bother me that the biggest culprit of coming too deep and dragging players with him, is Pack. Quality player, but has a habit of coming too deep and creating room for himself. Just an observation.... This is not about the Bradford mistake. Thanks Spudski this i can read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 One thing I did like about Parish - at one point he came charging out the area and instead of trying to boot the ball as far as he could down the pitch, he selected to put it in row z of the Williams - very sensible play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ramage and Wilbrahim are rubbish....the reason they are still there is because clubs aren't stupid enough to sign them.... So two players who played lots in last years promotion winning team are rubbish? One winning promotion twice in three years with Palace and Norwich... and both offered new contracts! No worries mate... I can clearly see you know nothing about football if you think they are rubbish and wouldn't give our young team something to think about. Like I said... we'll have to agree to disagree :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 A view from the Palarse side... http://www.fiveyearplanfanzine.co.uk/features/4529-bristol-city-2-1-crystal-palace-analysis-and-ratings-from-cup-defeat-at-ashton-gate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citylad05 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 It was the 1st match i've been down due to work, But I thought we were excellent. The way we was quick football (Like Arsenal) Palace couldn't cope. As for JET he is something else the skill this bloke has is unreal, The was he took the ball in corner at one point and turned 2 Palace defenders was special! I for one before didn't rate Bryan but he looks a great player he runs for youngster is 2nd to none. 1st time I seen Bobby Reid last night and he was brilliant reminds me of a young Tommy Doc! I thought Jet was man of the match but It was a toss up between them too. As for Parish after last nights performance id be shocked if he didn't start Saturday, We haven't really been confident with our keepers in the years (except James to an extent) I know it was his 1st app but he looked confident and the defence was always passing back to him knowing he wouldn't flap or rush things. As for Palace I thought Dobbie was there best player he looked good. Also another funny thing was seeing a certain Millen up and down shouting on the edge of the box etc he didn't do that once for us? he stood there with his pose. Brilliant CITY last night we looked proper bring on Arsenal at home in the cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I sit in EE or dolman I go to both depending. Where where you sat last night? EE or Dolman..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Your right, Aaron Wilbrahim is a class act, I guess his 1 goal in his last 45 games highlights that. Absolutely clueless. But I guess you know more than the palace fans who rate him as one of their worst players EVER. P. s Don't lie to back arguments up, it's embarrassing and unnecessary, Wilbraham was never offered a new deal he signed on a 2 year contract. I appreciate you clearly know **** all but don't make rubbish up. What the hell are you on about. He signed a two year contract last summer. It hasn't ended yet. So nothing has been made up. What fans think is irrelevant. His manager has offered him that 2 years and as a 33 year old that's not a bad deal. I never said he was a class act either...However he has years of experience at many levels. Enough to test our young team. You seem clueless and Clutching at straws. Either that or you don't understand. I'm not going to have a slanging match with you on here... but calling someone a liar is out of order. Clearly you watch from the EE and you did last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Palarse treated the game nothing more than a training ground friendly.....won't find another side like that all season. Now that's laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 You think Baldock is shit. You lost every argument ever on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 So one minute he was offered a new contract and the next he was offered an initial contract....make ur min up.... Well your either a liar or just completely deluded.....probably the later. As for your mate wilbraham, try and find a palace fan who rates him, or for that matter a Norwich fan....the fact is they don't, he is crap....there is no other way to describe him. He will leave on a free at the end of his contract, and end up at a northern monkey club in league 1 or league 2, because that's his level......(and before you say "but he is a prem striker", the reason for this is that they can't get rid of him u numpty!!!) What do you mean... 'they can't get rid of him?' They gave him a two year contract last year. And you are right... he probably will leave when his contract is up. But what has that got to do with this conversation and what I have implied about him and others in Palace team? I'm not going to lower myself to your level of name calling... 'Liar and Numpty'... you've shown your true colours by not being able to have a debate with a fellow City fan without being churlish. You've also been asked 3 times where you watched your football from last night... which you won't answer and makes a difference to a viewing perspective. And from other posts in this thread, it seems others feel the same way about your views... mine aren't perfect... but at least i'm willing to listen to other fellow City fans and debate... without name calling. It's like a playground on here sometimes. Like I've said on numerous occasions... we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 our defence has been shit since bassos head got too big. a lot to be said for some leadership in goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This thread makes me weep for humanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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