James Wilson

[TomBCFCUK]

Of Cheltenham town, been called up to the Wales squad... Either there struggling or the lad has actually impressed with Cheltenham!! Congratulations either way!!

[fka dagest]

His playing has proven to be best for all concerned. The best outcome would be that he comes back to us determined and ambitious. He's still a good age with decent ability really.

[Davros]

I think his issue has always been that he lacked games but could never get them. I can only assume he has burnt some bridges somewhere along the line as well.

[CityFarAndWide]

My understanding of the lad was he was always contempt with sitting on the bench/reserves here earning the wages he was on (taken from short talks with him and from others that have spoken to him)

[Ian M]

I thought his biggest problem was that he was more error prone than Fontaine.

[Jordan Tansley]

I thought his biggest problem was that he was more error prone than Fontaine.

Exactly.

[samo II]

How long is his remaining contract? And anyone think that if his time at Cheltenham goes well there is even the slim chance he'd get back into our squad/team?

If not, and he's still got time to run on his contract, I'd have thought we might see him heading out this January, either on a prem move or with view to leaving on a free at some point.

Real shame it hasn't worked out, but even with our injuries/fitness issues at centre back just now, I still couldn't see him getting in ahead of Williams, Flint or now Dunk.

[phantom]

The latest Christian Ribeiro?

Never seemingly going to be good enough to hold down a place long enough

Can only assume it comes from what SO'D see's in training

Don't look too much into the Welsh call up, they have had NINE pull out of the initial squad already, League 1 and 2 players will be filling that squad by KO

[NVMal]

How long is his remaining contract? And anyone think that if his time at Cheltenham goes well there is even the slim chance he'd get back into our squad/team?

If not, and he's still got time to run on his contract, I'd have thought we might see him heading out this January, either on a prem move or with view to leaving on a free at some point.

Real shame it hasn't worked out, but even with our injuries/fitness issues at centre back just now, I still couldn't see him getting in ahead of Williams, Flint or now Dunk.

I can't see him getting a move to the Prem just yet...!

[samo II]

I can't see him getting a move to the Prem just yet...!

Oops, typo!

To be honest I'd be happy if he went to the Conference Prem if we got a fee/his wages off our tab,

[notsobigfatdave]

The latest Christian Ribeiro?

Never seemingly going to be good enough to hold down a place long enough

Can only assume it comes from what SO'D see's in training

Don't look too much into the Welsh call up, they have had NINE pull out of the initial squad already, League 1 and 2 players will be filling that squad by KO

That's a bit of an unfair analogy to be honest. Ribeiro was always good enough and still is. its just unfortunate that the severity of his cruciate injury has left the lower body prone to injury. When the cruciate is rebuilt it is usually done so from ligaments taken from the hamstring or groin which leaves these areas weaker than the original injury. When he's been fit and played he always played very well. I watched him against Sheffield united a month ago and he was outstanding..head and shoulders above the rest in fact... Shame that his career didn't develop with us but there we are.

Wilson has the right attitude and certainly wouldn't be worse than much of the dross we have been fielding lately I shouldn't belittle his call up for the Welsh squad whether they have injuries or not the fact is that he's thought good enough by those that matter

I don't think sod is much of a judge of players to be honest

[CityFarAndWide]

That's a bit of an unfair analogy to be honest. Ribeiro was always good enough and still is. its just unfortunate that the severity of his cruciate injury has left the lower body prone to injury. When the cruciate is rebuilt it is usually done so from ligaments taken from the hamstring or groin which leaves these areas weaker than the original injury. When he's been fit and played he always played very well. I watched him against Sheffield united a month ago and he was outstanding..head and shoulders above the rest in fact... Shame that his career didn't develop with us but there we are.

Wilson has the right attitude and certainly wouldn't be worse than much of the dross we have been fielding lately I shouldn't belittle his call up for the Welsh squad whether they have injuries or not the fact is that he's thought good enough by those that matter

I don't think sod is much of a judge of players to be honest

I was unfortunate to have gone through an ACL tear/LCL rupture (In the same event) while on the books at QPR only a couple years ago. I had my Reconstruction from my Hamstring, you can have it done from your tendon but athletes are advised not to. As much as people will say "others have overcome it - so why couldn't he" - Ribeiro suffered multiple in which Its hard enough to overcome Mentally and physically just the once.

It certainly put a swift end to my career due to the little injuries that one would not normally become so prone to otherwise, i.e Hamstring injuries, achilles, Groin and most concerning cartilage inwhich I suffered, as told by the specialists/physiotherapist's I was sent to, alot of clubs are just not prepared to invest the resources into players who suffer an injury.

This is very much what I expect went on with Rib rather than him having a lack of ability. He is lucky to land where he is, and that can only be said because he has mentally been tough enough to get through it so attitude cannot be questioned to me either.

[Major Isewater]

I thought his biggest problem was that he was more error prone than Fontaine.

We can pût that down to a lack of experience for Wilson,needs regular footy to up his game.

[Taylor10]

We can pût that down to a lack of experience for Wilson,needs regular footy to up his game.

At his age!?

[dezgimed]

When he's been fit and played he always played very well

Disagree. Most the time he was horrendously out of position.

There was a game where Skuse started right back and kept Bellamy (or similar skilful player) in his pocket then went off injured and Ribs lost his player every time.

[GrahamC]

Only here do we see so many players that are 'error prone' and yet when moved on they seem to become very good club players, that has happened so much in the past. But we have but the likes of you and yours are too quick to condemn these players out of the club.

Any examples you'd care to quote?

Ribeiro? A squad player in League Two? Amankwaah of Northampton Town? Artus of Hereford? Anyinsah at Wrexham?

[notsobigfatdave]

Any examples you'd care to quote?

Ribeiro? A squad player in League Two? Amankwaah of Northampton Town? Artus of Hereford? Anyinsah at Wrexham?

Indeed but is that much worse than what we are playing in at the moment...answer...No its not.!

[notsobigfatdave]

I was unfortunate to have gone through an ACL tear/LCL rupture (In the same event) while on the books at QPR only a couple years ago. I had my Reconstruction from my Hamstring, you can have it done from your tendon but athletes are advised not to. As much as people will say "others have overcome it - so why couldn't he" - Ribeiro suffered multiple in which Its hard enough to overcome Mentally and physically just the once.

It certainly put a swift end to my career due to the little injuries that one would not normally become so prone to otherwise, i.e Hamstring injuries, achilles, Groin and most concerning cartilage inwhich I suffered, as told by the specialists/physiotherapist's I was sent to, alot of clubs are just not prepared to invest the resources into players who suffer an injury.

This is very much what I expect went on with Rib rather than him having a lack of ability. He is lucky to land where he is, and that can only be said because he has mentally been tough enough to get through it so attitude cannot be questioned to me either.

Spot on. Ribeiro had little support from BC Club Phsyio who concentrated on the injured Maynard at the time ....in fact I know for a fact that he employed his own Physiotherapist at the time and paid for it himself.!

I think with the weakness he has he will pick up groin and hamstring injuries each season but he has managed to put a run of 20 or so games together each season since he left us so although he will never reach his full potential he will get opportunity in the league he currently plays in and from what ive seen at Cheltenham the last couple of seasons that aint much worse than div. 1

[Nibor]

Any examples you'd care to quote?

Ribeiro? A squad player in League Two? Amankwaah of Northampton Town? Artus of Hereford? Anyinsah at Wrexham?

It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy really. If you don't play young players at key ages in their development they'll get no better. At 18/19 they need to play first team football.

[Major Isewater]

At his age!?

Exactly ,we were n't very good at blooding young players for the most part of his time here and he's been unlucky with injuries so has n't had the game time necessary.

[Nogbad the Bad]

Apart from his progress being held back by long term injuries, when he did get the occasional chance Wilson often came into an under pressure defence lacking confidence and indeed basic ability. Hardly the ideal circumstances for a young player to knit into the team and thrive.

 

All his defensive partners over that period have had games, or even runs of games, when they have been dreadful but there seems little forgiveness or leeway given to Wilson who has evidently been written off for good by many after one or two disappointing games. 

 

Unfortunately Wilson was never going to get an extended chance to impress while the club kept on renewing Carey's contract.

 

He never got the encouragement and vital experience that comes from being given regular games so now we'll never actually know if the confidence gained from faith being shown at the right times could have produced a very solid home grown centre back for BCFC for years to come.

[Red white and red]

I went to Blackburn last season and Wilson was absolutely shire horse!!!, got bullied off of the ball, out muscled on every occasion, not a standout defender is he!

[Aizoon]

Quite honestly, being selected for Wales these days involves:

 

Welsh grandparent - check

 

Played pro football - check

 

Two legs - check

 

Right, boyo, you're in. Turn up at Cardiff Tuesday week.

[Aizoon]

Bandwidth might be a problem here, these servers are a bit prone to crash.

 

Now, I'd have Liked that, if I had the chance

[Taylor10]

Apart from his progress being held back by long term injuries, when he did get the occasional chance Wilson often came into an under pressure defence lacking confidence and indeed basic ability. Hardly the ideal circumstances for a young player to knit into the team and thrive.

All his defensive partners over that period have had games, or even runs of games, when they have been dreadful but there seems little forgiveness or leeway given to Wilson who has evidently been written off for good by many after one or two disappointing games.

Unfortunately Wilson was never going to get an extended chance to impress while the club kept on renewing Carey's contract.

He never got the encouragement and vital experience that comes from being given regular games so now we'll never actually know if the confidence gained from faith being shown at the right times could have produced a very solid home grown centre back for BCFC for years to come.

Noggers you gota let this Carey thing go fella. Can't be good for your health!

As for Wilson getting a chance he has had plenty....and made too many mistakes. Also not as young as people think now so we can't hang on hoping he will come good forever. Usually players will stand out if they are good enough. Bryan and Reid two stand outs this season and in terms of a defence lacking confidence organisation etc is that not what Williams has done this season? Granted he's made mistakes at times and fans will always jump on that. The difference is how you play when those mistakes aren't happening. People may forgive the likes of Williams for those mistakes as in a short period of time he has proved a very good defender with potential so far.

This just hasn't been the case with Wilson. Fans have wanted him involved but he has rarely if at all played well whilst making errors. Hasn't looked anywhere near good enough regardless of what excuses people are trying to use to defend him.

[glynriley]

Noggers you gota let this Carey thing go fella. Can't be good for your health!

As for Wilson getting a chance he has had plenty....and made too many mistakes. Also not as young as people think now so we can't hang on hoping he will come good forever. Usually players will stand out if they are good enough. Bryan and Reid two stand outs this season and in terms of a defence lacking confidence organisation etc is that not what Williams has done this season? Granted he's made mistakes at times and fans will always jump on that. The difference is how you play when those mistakes aren't happening. People may forgive the likes of Williams for those mistakes as in a short period of time he has proved a very good defender with potential so far.

This just hasn't been the case with Wilson. Fans have wanted him involved but he has rarely if at all played well whilst making errors. Hasn't looked anywhere near good enough regardless of what excuses people are trying to use to defend him.

 

TBH, I'm 100% with Nogbad on this one. Carey has been a fantastic servant to the club, of that there can be no doubt, but he's been given at least 2 too many contracts.

 

People argue that he doesn't cost a lot in wages, but then we keep having to loan players in due to his continued unavailability. This season alone we have had to bring in James O'Connor and now Lewis Dunk because Carey has only been available for 5 minutes of action.

[Taylor10]

TBH, I'm 100% with Nogbad on this one. Carey has been a fantastic servant to the club, of that there can be no doubt, but he's been given at least 2 too many contracts.

People argue that he doesn't cost a lot in wages, but then we keep having to loan players in due to his continued unavailability. This season alone we have had to bring in James O'Connor and now Lewis Dunk because Carey has only been available for 5 minutes of action.

I'm not disputing he's not right. This season alone has proved it wasn't right to give him a new deal and I have been one of Carey's biggest fans. I just think putting that down to Wilson not developing and trying to mention Carey in his posts when he can is a bit much.

[Nogbad the Bad]

Noggers you gota let this Carey thing go fella. Can't be good for your health!

As for Wilson getting a chance he has had plenty....and made too many mistakes. Also not as young as people think now so we can't hang on hoping he will come good forever. Usually players will stand out if they are good enough. Bryan and Reid two stand outs this season and in terms of a defence lacking confidence organisation etc is that not what Williams has done this season? Granted he's made mistakes at times and fans will always jump on that. The difference is how you play when those mistakes aren't happening. People may forgive the likes of Williams for those mistakes as in a short period of time he has proved a very good defender with potential so far.

This just hasn't been the case with Wilson. Fans have wanted him involved but he has rarely if at all played well whilst making errors. Hasn't looked anywhere near good enough regardless of what excuses people are trying to use to defend him. 

 

Carey's prolonged stay at AG is clearly relevant to Wilson's lack of progression, whether I'm allowed to mention it or not!!

 

Was it the season before last - or even the one before that - when Wilson had a run of games at the end of the season during yet another period of Carey unavailability, and did extremely well, only to be sidelined again at the start of the next season when Carey returned to (temporary) fitness.

 

It's very clear to me that Wilson should have been given the opportunity to make the shirt his own at the start of that next season and Carey should not have returned automatically to replace a young player - and yes, he was young then - who had done enough to retain the shirt. He might have failed to take the opportunity but at least then we'd have known he wasn't up to it once and for all rather than this assumption that he's not based on him being occasionally thrown in at the deep end amongst an already poor defence.

 

It's very interesting that fans are willing to forgive and make huge allowances for other mistake prone central defenders, - now including Williams, I see, but Wilson has been pilloried and written off for what has actualy been very few poor games, even though he's had some very impressive ones too.

[Nibor]

Carey's prolonged stay at AG is clearly relevant to Wilson's lack of progression

Or Wilson's lack of progression is clearly relevant to Carey's prolonged stay at AG?

In any case, it's pretty obvious that Carey hasn't kept Wilson out of the side this season or last.

[bearded_red]

He's dire.

Clevedon Town were taking the p*** out of him in the friendly this summer. I don't think anything else needs to be said.