redeye Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I quite enjoy your strange posts, i love a bit of controversy it livens up the forum, you are a complete plank though Controversy? Be careful when watching the breaking news on Sky Sports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeye Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 No, just you... no one else. The privilege is all yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 If you like I am willing to testify that you are a real asshole.....if it helps? God, we've got another blinkered fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Controversy? Be careful when watching the breaking news on Sky Sports... What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Troll? Ruin? Another one who acuses those who do not agree with him - of being a troll. Do you actually understand the rudiments of a forum? You add little value, which is diminishing as your act gets stale. Unfortunately as much I can just ignore you, it seems as your presence will just derail any thread that you deem suitable to inhabit and depart your wittering on unsuspecting victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I personally hope this does not all blow up and affect on-field matters just at a time when we see a glimmer of light. Then the club will only have themselves to blame. The bans are already having an affect. Chants regarding bans have been heard, it is a topic amongst fans. There is no obvious support for BCFC's stance on forums or elsewhere. This could also trigger a galvanising of supporters for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 The fans are always last to be mentioned by any manager after a win, they're usually pleased for the players, staff, chairman, fans in that order. See his Rovers post match interview. Question "Sean what was the key to that victory"? Answer a 2 minute diatribe about the how bad the fans were at end of the game, answer the ******* question that was asked FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Do not blame BCFC - blame the football hooligan culture that has brought about todays zero tolerance policy. The dawn raids / bans are the outcome of the football hooliganism legacy. Hooligans past and present are where anger should be directed. As a matter of interest, how many of those protesting are past or present hooligans? Oh dear. Does anyone want to explain from the beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 God, we've got another blinkered foolJust thought I'd join in, cos it seems to be the same people talking to each other on this thread......the same like minded people just talking to themselves.... The same old....same old... Anyway just trying to help! I'm sure you'll all get this sorted by Xmas...............2014! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Oh dear. Does anyone want to explain from the beginning? I shouldn't bother, bloke cracks me up. Funnier than that Roger Malone I mean Les Q bloke. In fact bring back the awards and I'd vote for him to win funniest poster of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeye Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 You add little value, which is diminishing as your act gets stale. Unfortunately as much I can just ignore you, it seems as your presence will just derail any thread that you deem suitable to inhabit and depart your wittering on unsuspecting victims. Derail? Don't you mean a difference of opinion? Poor you for being incapable of understanding the basics of a forum. Get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 WRONG! It is against the law for someone under 18 to drink alcohol in licensed premises, except where the child is 16 or 17 years old and accompanied by an adult. In this case it is legal for them to drink, but not buy, beer, wine and cider with a table meal. It is NOT illegal for someone over 18 to buy a child over 16 beer, wine or cider if they are eating a table meal together in licensed premises. It is NOT illegal for a child aged 5 to 16 to drink alcohol at home or on other private premises. I know these laws but simply put if he's at a football match then he's not at a table eating a meal and he is not at home, yes he could have had a drink under these circumstances but then it would be a case of bad parenting or guardianship to let him go out obviously intoxicated, especially to a football match. Twist it and turn it however you would like but he only has himself or his parents to blame and it's about time people stopped making excuses for people who are acting like idiots. When I was younger and got drunk I had to face up to my actions the next day, I couldn't just make excuses and rightfully so. Police being wrong or not it's not justice to abuse them or wind them up, that's just stupid and asking for trouble. All that aside as I said before, the police, the media and many others have done wrong here too but that doesn't mean he should be let off scot free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftwingfullback Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Scot free? He was dealt with by the courts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 There is no doubt some who have be banned fully deserved it and fully justified after being found guilty by a court of law What the club is doing is punishing the same offence again, it's out of order and should stop before it's too late As for redeye some please ban that cock he is just a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I find this thread quiet sad... how low has it become? One part of me is saying silly sods grow up. The other part is saying 'man the **** up'... seriously... This would have been sorted proper in the 70's..none of this namby pamby pussy footing around. Go to any Italian or East European ground now, and this sort of thing happens every week. It's normal..and the fans as one back their own. The fact it feels like people are walking on eggshells makes me feel sorry for this Country... we've all become soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I know these laws but simply put if he's at a football match then he's not at a table eating a meal and he is not at home, yes he could have had a drink under these circumstances but then it would be a case of bad parenting or guardianship to let him go out obviously intoxicated, especially to a football match. Twist it and turn it however you would like but he only has himself or his parents to blame and it's about time people stopped making excuses for people who are acting like idiots. When I was younger and got drunk I had to face up to my actions the next day, I couldn't just make excuses and rightfully so. Police being wrong or not it's not justice to abuse them or wind them up, that's just stupid and asking for trouble. All that aside as I said before, the police, the media and many others have done wrong here too but that doesn't mean he should be let off scot free. You don't half talk some shite. Maybe you got hit on the head by one of your welsh copper mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 7, 2013 Admin Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I know these laws but simply put if he's at a football match then he's not at a table eating a meal and he is not at home, yes he could have had a drink under these circumstances but then it would be a case of bad parenting or guardianship to let him go out obviously intoxicated, especially to a football match. Twist it and turn it however you would like but he only has himself or his parents to blame and it's about time people stopped making excuses for people who are acting like idiots. When I was younger and got drunk I had to face up to my actions the next day, I couldn't just make excuses and rightfully so. Police being wrong or not it's not justice to abuse them or wind them up, that's just stupid and asking for trouble. All that aside as I said before, the police, the media and many others have done wrong here too but that doesn't mean he should be let off scot free. I was simply replying to your post Either way a 17 year old drinking is breaking the law anyway and so he's lucky he wasn't prosecuted for that Which as proven was nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I was simply replying to your post Which as proven was nonsense It's not nonsense at all, you just put it out of context as what I said was correct. We were talking about a 17 year old at a football match, not a 17 year old at home with his parents. As I said, twist it however you like but all I see is someone being pedantic over details. You don't half talk some shite. Maybe you got hit on the head by one of your welsh copper mates. Maybe, maybe not but at least I can take part in a discussion without resulting to childish insults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Do not blame BCFC - blame the football hooligan culture that has brought about todays zero tolerance policy. The dawn raids / bans are the outcome of the football hooliganism legacy. Hooligans past and present are where anger should be directed. As a matter of interest, how many of those protesting are past or present hooligans? Me, me, I admit to being inside the playing area many times, I paid to sit on the benches that once went around the inside and jumped up when we scored, I do believe My feet may have touched the playing area many times while a game was on; I also confess to taking a dangerous weapon inside the ground, a wooden rattle, it was painted red but did wave it around and above my head. I realise the bits of wooden rattle could of flown off at anytime and caused injury to anyone near by. I have also left several cups and pie containers on the ground I hope no-one fell over them but I am sorry for doing so. I have also sworn inside the ground um many times. I have also stood up. There that's of my chest now, promise it wont happen again for a while anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timothy bird Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 The thing is thisthread has be theen going on and on theirs been absolutley no response from the faceless suits or our so say supporters liason officer or whatever his trifle is! they really do hold us in contempt! disgusted of stroud ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS34Red Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I too confess entering the playing area on many occasions. I remember being actually on the pitch as the game was still on going against Rotherham, well inside the penalty area actually. End of season it has always been a tradition (it makes the walk out of the ground quicker too) I didn't enter against Rovers as had children with me but may well have done had I not purely to celebrate. And as the club has pictures for sale in the club shop of fans celebrating on the pitch I'm sure it would have been acceptable?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I see Celtic have not left their fans out to dry!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 It is really important that sanctions are in proportion to the 'crimes'. When you have a situation in this country that paedophiles are getting let off with slaps on the wrist and football fans are being locked up or given lifetime bans for relatively minor offences then something is seriously wrong. I thought I heard on the radio yesterday that BCFC had agreed to meet with supporters groups and look at overturning these decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted November 8, 2013 Admin Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 redeye, You appear to be having trouble empathising with those who have been harshly issued with bans. For instance the one fan who is now banned from Ashton Gate for simply arguing back (yes with words, not punchs) to the Heddlu after they struck him with their baton. You know, how you do on here when confronted with what you see as violent aggressors. However, you are in luck as I am able to help you research how this might feel and assist you in developing your own sense of empathy. Happy to help, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatcham red Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 It is really important that sanctions are in proportion to the 'crimes'. When you have a situation in this country that paedophiles are getting let off with slaps on the wrist and football fans are being locked up or given lifetime bans for relatively minor offences then something is seriously wrong. I thought I heard on the radio yesterday that BCFC had agreed to meet with supporters groups and look at overturning these decisions? A meeting is being fixed with the Supporters Club & Trust to discuss wider issues. I feel that if the bans are to be discussed, those organising or feel strongly about the protest should attend too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 When it comes down to it if we were to review individual cases together and hear both sides of the story and view all evidence I think there would be a clear consensus. Aggressive loutish fans deserve punishing and still need rooting out. Those caught in the crossfire and/or deliberately prohibited from having a right of reply should never be sanctioned without a FAIR hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 A meeting is being fixed with the Supporters Club & Trust to discuss wider issues. I feel that if the bans are to be discussed, those organising or feel strongly about the protest should attend too. When is this. I wish to go and make a few points like what happened at Swindon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I too confess entering the playing area on many occasions. I remember being actually on the pitch as the game was still on going against Rotherham, well inside the penalty area actually. End of season it has always been a tradition (it makes the walk out of the ground quicker too) I didn't enter against Rovers as had children with me but may well have done had I not purely to celebrate. And as the club has pictures for sale in the club shop of fans celebrating on the pitch I'm sure it would have been acceptable?? I might be wrong, but isn't running on to the pitch illegal rather than just something the club doesn't like? I imagine that thousands running on to the pitch to celebrate promotion isn't going to be prosecuted as the police/CPS wouldn't see it as 'expedient' or in the public interest. A few hundred running on the pitch to antagonise the away fans after a first-round Johnstone Paint Trophy win is slightly different While it definitely sounds like the club have been, at best, over-zealous with the bans, they can't really be taken to task regarding the law of the land. I would also point out that 'Public Disorder' can include 'abusive or threatening behaviour' so again, the club can't be held accountable for the law. Where they do have questions to answer is in the strength of their reaction to the arrests and the best way to raise that (in the short term) is surely through the supporters trust. I can't really see them coming back from the position they've put themselves in though, as they'll be accused of being 'soft on hooligans' As for the Hedlu at Cardiff away, it sounds like they've behaved despicably and it's a theme that runs through football policing. That said, until we (as football fans) completely reject the mindless, thuggish behaviour that still pervades the fringes of our (and many other teams) support, they will always be able to justify their actions to the public. The neutral or non football fan doesn't remember the scenes of orderly football fans singing as chanting, they remember the seats being ripped up and the windows being smashed and the pubs being trashed I hope all those that have been unfairly treated by the club are reinstated and sent a genuine apology, but lets not pretend that we fans have played no part in the situation we currently find ourselves in. I will no doubt get abuse for this post but I'm just trying to be honest and objective and if that sets me against the majority then so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBrizzleRobin Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 When it comes down to it if we were to review individual cases together and hear both sides of the story and view all evidence I think there would be a clear consensus. Aggressive loutish fans deserve punishing and still need rooting out. Those caught in the crossfire and/or deliberately prohibited from having a right of reply should never be sanctioned without a FAIR hearing. This. It SHOULD have been done on a case by case basis, which im sure if it was, different punishments would have been handed out. The worst obviously life bans, which im sure there were a few, but im sure equally there were people deserving of far less and going by whats said should have been given warnings/behaviour orders or short bans. A blanket life time ban on just who ever was involved/got caught up in is royally ****** up. Just when I don't think it could be much worse the board manage to dig their hole just a little deeper. Honestly I believe if they continue in this vein and on this path it won't be long before fans really turn on them. I hope it doesn't happen but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Obi Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 redeye, You appear to be having trouble empathising with those who have been harshly issued with bans. For instance the one fan who is now banned from Ashton Gate for simply arguing back (yes with words, not punchs) to the Heddlu after they struck him with their baton. You know, how you do on here when confronted with what you see as violent aggressors. However, you are in luck as I am able to help you research how this might feel and assist you in developing your own sense of empathy. Happy to help, Ian I think you are now showing your true colours! Let's all enjoy this forum, and agree to disagree! Without getting overly angry with each other. I mean......it's not like we're thugs or football hooligans......are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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