Dollymarie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'd argue that just means he paid stupid people to kill her, knowing this might end up happening instead. The evidence is crap so he got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 If he does get freed presumably he has to come back to UK and still be detained under the MHA..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ha, I bet he makes a miraculous recovery instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 ..and so he walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hmmmmm. Have to feel sorry for the victims family, no closure there one way or the other. As a total outsider its looked obvious he has something to hide so god only knows what they must think of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 They had to at least get him in the dock to give his version of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 South African justice system is an absolute joke. 2 high profile disgraceful decisions this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think the state take the blame for this one.. the evidence against him and the way it was presented was laughable. Home for Christmas and no more mental health issues...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Two shocking verdicts. No wonder SA has such an appalling crime record. You'll get away with it unless you're black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why do people think this is a shocking verdict? The sum total of the evidence against him was the testimony of two convicted murderers and the fact that he was bi-sexual. Looking back through the thread, I think some peoples opinions on this have been coloured by the fact he is by all accounts a spoiled ******, but last time I checked, that's not admissible evidence in a murder trial. It's been a sham from start to finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 How can you 'think he did it', when a judge has explained that there is no evidence?!? Thank god we don't have ducking stools in Bristol anymore. He did not 'get away with it', and they already have the murderer in prison on a life tariff. TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 ......... what is of greater concern is the use of THREE blatant liars as prosecution witnesses. "Unbelievable in 2014". Justice cannot be based on lies from liars. TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 How can you 'think he did it', when a judge has explained that there is no evidence?!? Thank god we don't have ducking stools in Bristol anymore. He did not 'get away with it', and they already have the murderer in prison on a life tariff. TFR So you actually think he had nothing to do with it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I was not there. Honest. TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 We'll never know now if he did have any involvement - the evidence from the state certainly makes him look like he had no involvement. However I'd have like to seen him stand in the witness box and see what he really had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 So you actually think he had nothing to do with it?! I'll answer. I don't know, I wasn't there. You don't know, you were not there. The judge doesn't know she wasn't there. She though has some facts to go on to make the decision. Only people who know the truth are the accused and those already jailed. Do you think he did it? If so what evidence do you have that the judge didn't? I don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Two shocking verdicts. No wonder SA has such an appalling crime record. You'll get away with it unless you're black. How come you know everything about everything? Apart from rating managers obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 wwasn't one of them who lied under oath, only doing it to get a reduced sentance? Sorry the evidance was shoddy, if he was convicted on that it would of been a travisty, Whether he had anything to do with it only he will know, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 He is innocent, as he was cleared in a court of law. Duh - didn't anyone follow the Ched Evans thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Two shocking verdicts. No wonder SA has such an appalling crime record. You'll get away with it unless you're black. For youhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-29914835 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 For youhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-29914835 looks to me this was more about the police not doing their job and trying to frame someone rather then some one getting away with murder, they had four years to put together a case and it sounded as if they did it in four minutes, It sounds to me this was 3 people framing some one innocent in order to get a shorter sentance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 For youhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-29914835 Looks like a complete setup with a whole lot of lies being fed to the prosecution. Interesting the police officer in charge of the investigation was friends of the murder victim on facebook! How unprofessional. If he did or didn't do it,I can't believe this ever got to trial, all the evidence is flimsy at best, and out right lies at worst. Shocking. With all of those ripping into the guy,is it not in the realms of possibility he was setup by a unhappy suicidal wife? It has as much credence and is the kind of substantiated accusation that he seem to have got from many.. and judging by the setup from the police down to the murderers... on facts probably has more credence, even if completely made up by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 You have to feel for the family of the victim, and the situation is terrible for them, although a murderer is in prison for the act. As for the accused - four years of hell, for which, I presume, he will be suitably compensated - after all, the SA state have 'had their satisfaction' from this UK citizen. No real winners - for want of a better word. TFR P.S. This is a victory for evidence based justice over MOB rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Poor bloke wandering around permanently in a trance when seen in public, Still managed to keep his hair tidy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 He's guilty in my eyes. I just feel for the girl's family! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cue miraculous recovery from PTSD. What's the betting this bloke will be fully booked up over xmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Suspect the number of blokes booking honeymoons to South Africa has quadrupled in the last few hours.... There was a Panorama on last year that systematically pulled apart the prosecution case point by point with extensive use of cctv. When I saw that I thought it'll be really hard to get a conviction. In fact it *almost* convinced me of his complete innocence. I did think it was very strange though that the BBC went to so much effort to show him as not guilty when the majority of the media coverage seemed to lean the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 He's guilty in my eyes. I just feel for the girl's family! Thank goodness the world isn't governed by your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Thank goodness the world isn't governed by your eyes. You don't have to go along with every court's verdict, Dave. SA has as bad a record of judicial mistrials as the US and as out there, it seems you can buy your way to freedom in its system. I think he's guilty and got away with it too. I'd tell him to his face, should I ever meet him. Let's see him give evidence in a UK civil court facing an "in the balance of probabilities" verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 You don't have to go along with every court's verdict, Dave. SA has as bad a record of judicial mistrials as the US and as out there, it seems you can buy your way to freedom in its system. I think he's guilty and got away with it too. I'd tell him to his face, should I ever meet him. Let's see him give evidence in a UK civil court facing an "in the balance of probabilities" verdict. The US and SA, what about a bit closer to home? We probably have one of the most corrupt judicial systems in the Western world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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