Southport Red Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I suspect this will be another example of the difference between law and justice: The laws will say that WHU broke FIFA rules but not FA ones. They player was correctly registered to them and therefore, as far as the FA Cup is concerned, there is no wrongdoing and therefore nothing to punish and no claim for compensation. Justice would take into account we were just 10 minutes from a VERY lucrative replay when someone who should have been elsewhere scored the only goal and so denied us said replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It is amazing that there is no statement from the FA, this is their premier competition and it is turning into a laughing stock. On the basis that PL teams can do what they like, perhaps Suarez will turn out for Liverpool tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Lifted directly from KUMB, whether it's accurate or not I don't know, but what a farce this is turning into! "there is no provision for a fine in the FIFA rules, points deducted and removed from Cup that is all there is in the rule, no fine at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Lifted directly from KUMB, whether it's accurate or not I don't know, but what a farce this is turning into! "there is no provision for a fine in the FIFA rules, points deducted and removed from Cup that is all there is in the rule, no fine at all."No that only relates to if they deliberately withheld him from the competition. They have been found guilty of not making him sit out the competition for which a fine is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Dogbert, on 04 Feb 2015 - 4:47 PM, said: No that only relates to if they deliberately withheld him from the competition. They have been found guilty of not making him sit out the competition for which a fine is possible. Ok thanks, may be you should register on KUMB and put them straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 By telling senegal he was injured but then playing him, is that not deliberately withdrawing him from the afcon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakes Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Goughie could be a politician, not answering the question just keeps repeating himself, sounds like a clown. What happens to Bristol City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 By telling senegal he was injured but then playing him, is that not deliberately withdrawing him from the afcon?I think everyone (FIFA/Senegal) accepted that he was genuinely injured and so couldn't go and play at AFCON - but at that point the rules state that he has to sit out the duration of his team being in the tournament. So it was just by playing him during that period that they broke the rules.If FIFA had decided that the injury was made up then they'd have had them chucked them out of the FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted February 4, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Ignorance is no defence. I think the club will seek clarification of the FA's position on this given Chesterfield were forced to replay for a loan player they only had verbal permission to play. Once the FA confirm West Ham are a PL team so cannot be kicked out for rulebreaking we will seek compensation through the civil courts given their guilt has been established by the world's governing body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 What if West Ham voluntarily offer us a replay at Upton Park (a suggestion that's been made on KUMB)? There is a precedent for a team voluntarily offering a replay (Arsenal against Sheffield United a few years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 No, just give us the cash we would have made from a replay and let us get on with getting promotion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Bet Man City are kicking themselves for not bringing back Toure and Bony and getting them in against Chelsea last weekend. It's only money and a slap on the wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Scotty Murray Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is all around good news. We were not that bothered about going through anyway and it looks like we could claim for significant compensation. Everyone is a winner. I am personally quite glad they did this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Northski Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If I was a WH Utd board member, I'd probably be picking up the phone to Steve Lansdown and offering him something pretty special right now. City are in the right, WHU have been found in the wrong and been given more money than they've been fined and i imagine WHU don't want bother and will pay us to go away. If they can throw money at flying their team down from London, them they can give us a darn great wad of cash for us to go away. Or risk City taking further action S Lansdown has got very deep pockets and could be very dangerous to West Ham right now. Plus + They could offer to pay for Oskar's entire operation, and fly him over to the States in the plane they used to get to Ashton Gate. Might buy them a few brownie points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mark43 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Don't really care from our point of view, didn't want a replay and although compensation would be nice I don't see it as a massive thing. However I'm annoyed at such a ridiculously lenient punishment, it really does send out the wrong signal and tell big teams they can just carry on doing whatever they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If I was a WH Utd board member, I'd probably be picking up the phone to Steve Lansdown and offering him something pretty special right now. City are in the right, WHU have been found in the wrong and been given more money than they've been fined and i imagine WHU don't want bother and will pay us to go away. If they can throw money at flying their team down from London, them they can give us a darn great wad of cash for us to go away. Or risk City taking further action S Lansdown has got very deep pockets and could be very dangerous to West Ham right now. Plus + They could offer to pay for Oskar's entire operation, and fly him over to the States in the plane they used to get to Ashton Gate. Might buy them a few brownie points Maybe Karen Brady might offer SL a place on next years Apprentice, that Nick guy has packed it in I remember. Perfect for SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is what everyone wanted!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this forum should be for people with Bipolar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is what everyone wanted!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this forum should be for people with Bipolar Everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If one can put aside the sense of injustice from a nonsense FIFA decision, I feel we will have little actual recourse here. From a domestic, FA, of view, he is clearly an eligible player. No domestic rule was broken The rule broken was with FIFA. They have made their decision. Like it or not, that is the way it is. All the FA will say is none of their rules are broken, and the ultimate governing body has made a decision on a fit and proper punishmenr for their rule that was broken. If we have any recourse at all, it is actually with FIFA for a perverse decision. Good luck with that! Lets remember how we all felt when the final whistle went. Happy enough. Leaves a very sour taste to be honest, but what is in our interest right now is to move on and put this behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is what everyone wanted!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this forum should be for people with Bipolar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Everyone! A high percentage then, if we're being pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 4, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I wonder how many people would change their opinion if it was a trip to Arsenal/Man Utd and not West Brom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Northski Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 A high percentage then, if we're being pedantic. We all are. That's why we're on here in the day time. and how come you drink in the bath anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Strange decision by FIFA. Maybe they don't care whether players are released or stay away from international tournaments with mysterious injuries. Don't bank on seeing Bale play for Wales or Ronaldo being released for Portuguese qualifiers. Come on the baggies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I wonder how many people would change their opinion if it was a trip to Arsenal/Man Utd and not West Brom? I think West Brom is a pretty appealing tie to be honest. Premier League, good ground and relatively close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Don't really care from our point of view, didn't want a replay and although compensation would be nice I don't see it as a massive thing. However I'm annoyed at such a ridiculously lenient punishment, it really does send out the wrong signal and tell big teams they can just carry on doing whatever they like. I suspect I might get slammed a bit for this, but here goes. I always felt whilst Senagol had a strong moral case, their legal claim was very weak. Sakho was called up to the provisional squad. Everyone agrees he then got injured. He was then flown home, and West Ham then advised he would be injured for three to six weeks. On the basis of this, he was not called up to the competition squad. Three weeks later he was fit enough to play for ten minutes. There is no doubt if he had actually been called up West Ham could not have played him without being thrown out of the cup. If that had happened in this case, I have no doubt W Ham would seek legal recourse under their rules. This is a typical political FIFA fudge. O dear. Not much we can do here chaps, how do we get out of this one whilst looking supportive to Senagol? O, I know, lets say they broke the rules, but impose a trivial fine that deep down they will be happy with and do nothing about. Sorted. But Gov? Will this not look like being unfair on Bristol City? O, haha, they are not even a premier league side, as you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If I was a WH Utd board member, I'd probably be picking up the phone to Steve Lansdown and offering him something pretty special right now. City are in the right, WHU have been found in the wrong and been given more money than they've been fined and i imagine WHU don't want bother and will pay us to go away. If they can throw money at flying their team down from London, them they can give us a darn great wad of cash for us to go away. Or risk City taking further action S Lansdown has got very deep pockets and could be very dangerous to West Ham right now. Plus + They could offer to pay for Oskar's entire operation, and fly him over to the States in the plane they used to get to Ashton Gate. Might buy them a few brownie points The least they can do for cheating us out of our Valentines Day FA Cup chances would be for WHams owners to pull a few rabbits out of their hat and give City fans a chance to enjoy a decent Valentines Night instead. Send City some AnnSummers vouchers to distribute to our ST holders.. (Rabbits out of hats ..pun ) If they won't even do that much for us they can shove their love toys where the sun don't shine.. So Karren ( have a word with the boss ) and on the 14th it could be Up Ours so to speak instead of.... Up Yours Karren and yer cheating cockney bubble blowing club. (and don't forget to include battery's!) Reckon AS vouchers would be preferable to non existant 'food vouchers' anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Rich Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If one can put aside the sense of injustice from a nonsense FIFA decision, I feel we will have little actual recourse here. From a domestic, FA, of view, he is clearly an eligible player. No domestic rule was broken The rule broken was with FIFA. They have made their decision. Like it or not, that is the way it is. All the FA will say is none of their rules are broken, and the ultimate governing body has made a decision on a fit and proper punishme for their rule that was broken. If we have any rcourse at all, it is actually with FIFA for a perverse decision. Good luck with that! Lets remember how we all felt when the final whistle went. Happy enough. Leaves a very sour taste to be honest, but what is in our interest right now is to move on and put this behind us. Great post, agree 100% when you put it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is what everyone wanted!!!!!!!!!!! I swear this forum should be for people with Bipolar ..but sexist, some of us are straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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