Lord Northski Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Petitions to stop the RPZ. God help us. Luddites rebellion part 2. You're the reason nothing ever happened in Bristol. If you think people won't park in Ashton if they bring it in elsewhere, you're deluded. Most of the people in my office parked in Southville and walked over the bridge into Redcliffe. If Southville gets the RPZ and Ashton doesn't, then they'll simply put a bike in the back of their car, park outside your house and ride into town. The North Street end of Ashton will be effected more than the Chessles as it's closer. Seems to me that as a previous poster pointed out. It's not the idea of the thing. Only an total idiot would agree with the principle. It's the cost. Get that right and the scheme will have more fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyou Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Petitions to stop the RPZ. God help us. Luddites rebellion part 2. You're the reason nothing ever happened in Bristol. If you think people won't park in Ashton if they bring it in elsewhere, you're deluded. Most of the people in my office parked in Southville and walked over the bridge into Redcliffe. If Southville gets the RPZ and Ashton doesn't, then they'll simply put a bike in the back of their car, park outside your house and ride into town. The North Street end of Ashton will be effected more than the Chessles as it's closer. Seems to me that as a previous poster pointed out. It's not the idea of the thing. Only an total idiot would agree with the principle. It's the cost. Get that right and the scheme will have more fans. OK George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just spent a significant portion of my life on a 71 bus from Temple Meads to Horfield Why? Because Mr Red Trousers has taken away a traffic lane in Baldwin Street and given it to fracking cyclists If the same pillock is caught speeding, he should be publicly hanged, drawn and quartered in Queen Square and be grateful for our leniency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 You could add, North Street /Southville/ Ashton. Until he arrived, the place was dying, now it's one of the most desirable areas in Bristol. He's been in office 5 minutes. You can't credit him with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frenchay Red Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Hes an arrogant **** who thinks he knows best at all times. We have cycleways all over Bucks and you never see any of these lycra clad ***** using em...all on the roads causing chaos. One evening it took me 15 minutes to go one mile because of ONE lycra clad **** on a narrow country road. ONE. His nearest cycle path would take him half a mile away, but no he clogs up the road. Not to mention vast sums spent on these cycleways and no repairs on the roads... wether these greens etc and Ferguson, like it or not commuting is a way of life for millions of us all over the country....not to mnention bringing revenue to shops, restaurants, venues and sporting facilities. Bristols mayor will cause major damage to its long term prospects aas the centre of the West Country. Swindle, Gloucester, Cheltenham, Plymuff, Torquay, & Exeter will take advantage of his (and their small mindedness) That can't be right. 1 mile in 15 mins is 4mph I can walk faster. A granny on a single speed shopper would cover a mile in half the time and a lycra clad **** as you describe them would take about 3 mins!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 You mean principled Red Dawn?, the same Dawn who voted in favour of the 2003 Iraq war, when she had a nice pension expanding cabinet job, that Dawn?. Yep. Voted for the Iraq War. Like David Cameron etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yep. Voted for the Iraq War. Like David Cameron etc etc... oh come on Robbo, Cameron has got an excuse he's ******* Tory FFS, pray tell us what possible excuse left wing firebrand Dawn Primorolo could possibly have had for voting for an illegal war? especially when in opposition (and not in a cushy well paid cabinet job) she voted against a legitimate war to free Kuwait?, another 'socialist' prepared to abandon her principles at the sniff of filthy lucre and the topping up of a impending retirement. She's a hypocrite, can't wait for the book to see whether it even gets a mention or whether it's air brushed from her personal history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Ha! Do you think you will still be alive when (if!) this report is ever released? I, er, plan to still be alive in June! Do you know something?! *gulp* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Nothing wrong with pensions, nothing wrong with conviction either, but a moral problem when you abandon them for them for personal gain. As for the highlighted portion, a lot of it at the behest of Blair and Deputy prime minister Campbell. The only light Chilcott will shed is how good the UK is at white washes to protect the 'elite' of our country and how an ex prime minister can manipulate an enquiry years after he was in power and if you actually believe anything different, god help us all. PS:- I challenge you to prove your first sentence. PPS:- Didn't she complain about John Reid sexually harassing her?, was she sure it wasn't David Blanket?. My first sentence points out that the phrase "left-wing firebrand" is subjective. I doubt Dawn Primorolo would have ever labelled herself as such It's the sort of thing crusty old right-wingers say. Bit like "Red Ed". But who says anyone abandoned their principle? Since the first Gulf War, Saddam had massacred an estimated 140,000 Shia, used poison gas ( a WMD incidentally) on the Kurds, and killed God knows how many other political opponents. He was also hindering the UN weapons inspectors, and was starting to pay lip service to "political Islam". Combine those facts with the untruths people were fed then I don't think it's wrong to say that you could take a different view on the two interventions. You might also believe your earlier viewpoint was incorrect - people change their minds. Michael Gove began his political life as a determined Socialist and a trade union convenor, for example. Also, I don't believe that ministers have "cushy" jobs. You and I have cushy jobs - ones that are not open to minute scrutiny by the public at large and where our tenure is considerably more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I, er, plan to still be alive in June! Do you know something?! *gulp* I hope you are still alive in June, in July and, indeed, for many months and years to come. I am not convinced, however, that Chilcott's report will be available in June or July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I hope you are still alive in June, in July and, indeed, for many months and years to come. I am not convinced, however, that Chilcott's report will be available in June or July. Well, we'll see. I think it's been prevaricated beyond all belief, but eventually he has to deliver it. Part of the fault, of course, is the rather nebulous brief he was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 My first sentence points out that the phrase "left-wing firebrand" is subjective. I doubt Dawn Primorolo would have ever labelled herself as such It's the sort of thing crusty old right-wingers say. Bit like "Red Ed".But who says anyone abandoned their principle? Since the first Gulf War, Saddam had massacred an estimated 140,000 Shia, used poison gas ( a WMD incidentally) on the Kurds, and killed God knows how many other political opponents. He was also hindering the UN weapons inspectors, and was starting to pay lip service to "political Islam". Combine those facts with the untruths people were fed then I don't think it's wrong to say that you could take a different view on the two interventions. You might also believe your earlier viewpoint was incorrect - people change their minds. Michael Gove began his political life as a determined Socialist and a trade union convenor, for example. Also, I don't believe that ministers have "cushy" jobs. You and I have cushy jobs - ones that are not open to minute scrutiny by the public at large and where our tenure is considerably more secure. How did she vote on intervention in Syria last year?, where a lot of your justification for St Tony's war was going on, still your right people change although I suspect hers was more on the road to retirement than the road to Damascus. PS:- speak for yourself about 'cushy jobs', i'm still paying a very heavy personal price from mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 How did she vote on intervention in Syria last year?, where a lot of your justification for St Tony's war was going on, still your right people change although I suspect hers was more on the road to retirement than the road to Damascus. PS:- speak for yourself about 'cushy jobs', i'm still paying a very heavy personal price from mine. There's nothing remotely "cushy" about what I do - involving as it does very long hours, months away from hearth and home, terrifying financial risks and - worst of all - dealing with broadcasting executives! Nonetheless, I wouldn't be a professional politician for all the tea in China. Your post seems to imply I thought the Iraq War was a good idea. I was one of the several hundred thousand marching through London to try to stop it before it started, remember? My point is that there may be reasons other than "I want to slightly enhance my pension" for politicians to make the mistake of voting for the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 There's nothing remotely "cushy" about what I do - involving as it does very long hours, months away from hearth and home, terrifying financial risks and - worst of all - dealing with broadcasting executives! Nonetheless, I wouldn't be a professional politician for all the tea in China. Your post seems to imply I thought the Iraq War was a good idea. I was one of the several hundred thousand marching through London to try to stop it before it started, remember? My point is that there may be reasons other than "I want to slightly enhance my pension" for politicians to make the mistake of voting for the war. i'm implying that she thought the war was a good idea and I am at a loss to understand why and I am sure so do you in the cold light of day without towing the party line. in a former life I met many politicians of the day over a 15 year period and sometimes in very stressful situations and only 2 of them pissed me off so much with their arrogant and at times unacceptable behaviour and they were Tom King and Dawn Primarolo, most of them I found engaging, understanding and affable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Another thread that has gone completely off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Another thread that has gone completely off topic. Robbored just texted me and asked me to say "who cares?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 i'm implying that she thought the war was a good idea and I am at a loss to understand why and I am sure so do you in the cold light of day without towing the party line. in a former life I met many politicians of the day over a 15 year period and sometimes in very stressful situations and only 2 of them pissed me off so much with their arrogant and at times unacceptable behaviour and they were Tom King and Dawn Primarolo, most of them I found engaging, understanding and affable people. Never met Primarolo - or lived in her constituency. Some folk I know who do though say she's a good constituency MP. Just repeating what I've been told. Tom King was legendarily rudeand arrogant. And how strange that he was replaced by the similar Liddell Grainger?! Must be something about Bridgy! The guy who was Labour MP for Wansdyke - Dan Norris? - is the worst I've met. An absolute bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Never met Primarolo - or lived in her constituency. Some folk I know who do though say she's a good constituency MP. Just repeating what I've been told. Tom King was legendarily rudeand arrogant. And how strange that he was replaced by the similar Liddell Grainger?! Must be something about Bridgy! The guy who was Labour MP for Wansdyke - Dan Norris? - is the worst I've met. An absolute bellend. A long story but I once had to break into Chris Pattens car at Bath Railway Station and he turned up as myself and various colleagues from various agencies were rifling through the car, he initially shat himself but once he was told why, he was incredibly friendly and helpful about the whole situation, I also spent time with others in the company of Jacob Rees Mogg in the kitchen of his fathers country retreat near Wells, supping coffee, talking about Labradors and his father and I found him incredibly funny and engaging, in fact nothing like his public persona. I also recall once being in a setting like the servants dining room from Downton Abbey sat around a huge table full of people and Prince Phil walked in and bummed a cigarette off of somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Ah another thread needlessly derailed in the politics forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted February 18, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 My first sentence points out that the phrase "left-wing firebrand" is subjective. I doubt Dawn Primorolo would have ever labelled herself as such It's the sort of thing crusty old right-wingers say. Bit like "Red Ed". Perhaps you should have met Councillor Primarolo back in the early 80's, she was involved in Windmill City Farm, I was going out with a girl who worked there, Primarolo was like a fanatical preacher, trying to convert people to her brand of left wing feminisim. Firebrand definitely, maybe the ardour was dampened by filthy lucre and power......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Another thread that has gone completely off topic. Ah another thread needlessly derailed in the politics forum... These 2 posts just fill my heart with joy, my doctor told me that derailing threads on social media will be of great assistance in my fight against severe OCD and now I have found 2 fellow sufferers, Super and Bristol86 join me together we can fight this. PS:- Got to go, i'm rearranging my paper clips into size, colour and those distorted by use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Perhaps you should have met Councillor Primarolo back in the early 80's, she was involved in Windmill City Farm, I was going out with a girl who worked there, Primarolo was like a fanatical preacher, trying to convert people to her brand of left wing feminisim. Firebrand definitely, maybe the ardour was dampened by filthy lucre and power......... Or age and wisdom? Wasn't Vince Cable in the Worker's Revolutionary Party as a young man? I believe Portillo was an ardent left-winger during his "gay years". It's tempting to say it's all about money, but the reality is it's as likely to be about the dose of realism that comes when you actually run things rather than just criticise those who do. Same arguments can be made about the opposite end of the political spectrum of course. But for some reason we never attach the label "firebrand" there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Or age and wisdom? Wasn't Vince Cable in the Worker's Revolutionary Party as a young man? I believe Portillo was an ardent left-winger during his "gay years". It's tempting to say it's all about money, but the reality is it's as likely to be about the dose of realism that comes when you actually run things rather than just criticise those who do. Same arguments can be made about the opposite end of the political spectrum of course. But for some reason we never attach the label "firebrand" there. Tempting because it usually is about money, in my former job once established I did my job but questioned everything that I felt was wrong and had little respect for my bosses, but that changed when I was taxiing towards my pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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