Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Dude, the way you have just brushed over those issues like they are nothing is almost insulting. The NHS has been completely decimated in the last 4 years and its the nurses and doctors who are feeling the strain. My local GP is in Brixton in London and I can barely get an appointment these days. I waited 4 hours to give a urine sample a couple of months ago. This is incredibly worrying for the average person and makes you wonder what it would be like if something serious was wrong with you. On immigration they set out a policy before they got in and then changed their mind. Living conditions have not improved overall under this government, its a nostalgia act. All you have to do is talk to people and you will find that hard working people are still struggling. RE Privatization of more public services - Open your eyes. I thought that was pretty much general knowledge? I don't draw any allegiance to any political party but I think some people need to learn a few home truths. Mate get real, the NHS is simple to sort 1 in 4 NHS employees is a ******* bureaucrat FFS, I live in France where for everyday life there is 8 million bureaucrats employed in all areas of French life but the one area where there is little or no bureaucracy is their health system, I can phone my doctor now, see him before midday and if the there was a need be booked in for a scan or X-rays this afternoon and be given those X-rays in my hands to take back to my doctor this evening. in the UK by the time your you get to see your GP and then your GP finds you a slot for an X-ray and those X-rays are sent to your doctor because of course you cannot be trusted with those X-rays, 2 weeks has elapsed and you could be dead anyway. The big difference is in the UK the NHS is in general reactive in France their health system is pro active. As far as immigration is concerned New Labour just opened the doors wide and put up welcome signs and just as is the case now parties can make as many promises on quotas as they like, it's too late, the only possible solution is employing quadruple the amount of immigration officers and that ain't going to happen. and living conditions actually fell under New Labour a million more people fell below the poverty line, Ed admitted that last night. As for your last sentence I agree with every word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Cameron for me. I'd never vote for Milliband because he's got such nasal voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Cameron for me. I'd never vote for Milliband because he's got such nasal voice. I think that's the problem nowadays. People look at appearance and voices, not policies. Why do you care what his voice is like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Mate get real, the NHS is simple to sort 1 in 4 NHS employees is a ******* bureaucrat FFS, I live in France where for everyday life there is 8 million bureaucrats employed in all areas of French life but the one area where there is little or no bureaucracy is their health system, I can phone my doctor now, see him before midday and if the there was a need be booked in for a scan or X-rays this afternoon and be given those X-rays in my hands to take back to my doctor this evening. in the UK by the time your you get to see your GP and then your GP finds you a slot for an X-ray and those X-rays are sent to your doctor because of course you cannot be trusted with those X-rays, 2 weeks has elapsed and you could be dead anyway. The big difference is in the UK the NHS is in general reactive in France their health system is pro active. As far as immigration is concerned New Labour just opened the doors wide and put up welcome signs and just as is the case now parties can make as many promises on quotas as they like, it's too late, the only possible solution is employing quadruple the amount of immigration officers and that ain't going to happen. and living conditions actually fell under New Labour a million more people fell below the poverty line, Ed admitted that last night. As for your last sentence I agree with every word. All I was doing was pointing out the Conservative shortcomings which evidently some people don't seem to know/care about. France has fantastic public services for sure. I think we should be very proud of our health service and we should fight to keep it. I don't want to go down the American route of privatizing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Cameron for me. I'd never vote for Milliband because he's got such nasal voice. What a simple comment. I thought better of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 What a simple comment. I thought better of you. I have zero interest in politics. To me politicians are pretty much all the same regardless of which party the represent. They can argue and debate all they want but no-one ever concedes that an opposition party have done a good job. In fact they criticise endlessly. I find it all dull and tiresome in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 All I was doing was pointing out the Conservative shortcomings which evidently some people don't seem to know/care about. France has fantastic public services for sure. I think we should be very proud of our health service and we should fight to keep it. I don't want to go down the American route of privatizing everything. The only thing holding back the French economy is a useless socialist government and probably the most ridiculous employment laws in the world, the employment law book is so big that the type face is being made smaller to bring the size down, unfortunately that is a short term solution the book increases by 3 pages every 2 days. Nobody from outside France would invest here and many companies (especially American companies) have pulled out already, the unions are ridiculously powerful, there is a strike somewhere in France everyday of the week and that has been happening for 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Cameron for me. I'd never vote for Milliband because he's got such nasal voice. Your voting for an MP in your constituency ,unless you have moved to Doncaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think that's the problem nowadays. People look at appearance and voices, not policies. Why do you care what his voice is like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm not worried about his voice it's he face I cant stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 To be fair red ed did show passion when his appearance was questioned,shame he didn't show the same on his policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I mentioned this in the other General Election thread on here. Yet Tories are always seen as evil because they spend / cut and budget accordingly based on Labour bringing the country to it's knees every time they come into power. so Labour caused the financial crisis? :laugh:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 so Labour caused the financial crisis? . He actually didn't say that all, try reading before replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedM Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I thought Cameron was given a far easier time than Milliband, and therefore he seemed more composed. Thought it was a bit unfair to grill Ed about the relationship with his brother and keep mentioning Blair. But he did fight back well once he got a grip, I thought he was going to walk out at one point too. In summary, Cameron composed and much as I thought he would be, managing to oil himself out of difficult questions. Ed was quite rattled but showed a tough side which probably did good for his image that he might not have showed if given an easier ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I thought Cameron was given a far easier time than Milliband, and therefore he seemed more composed. Thought it was a bit unfair to grill Ed about the relationship with his brother and keep mentioning Blair. But he did fight back well once he got a grip, I thought he was going to walk out at one point too. In summary, Cameron composed and much as I thought he would be, managing to oil himself out of difficult questions.Ed was quite rattled but showed a tough side which probably did good for his image that he might not have showed if given an easier ride Really?, a north London geek saying ' HELL YES ', come on it was cringeworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 No, what happens in the real world is, you are forced off benefits by the job centre into a zero hour contract job. What happens then is,you get zero hours some weeks and you don't actually earn a penny, even though you drive or get the bus to work ( which cost money) to be told you are not needed that day. So,it actually cost you money to not have any work. But of course the main thing for the Tories is...... You get taken off the unemployment total. Which is great for the Tory propaganda machine. Which some on here actually fall for! or pay for all of the fertiliser to ensure that Scotland's grass stays greener than England's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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screech Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Always makes me laugh when New Labour start crowing about how crap peoples standard of living is when they had 15 years to rectify it and didn't. Both parties are crap and people are arguing over polishing a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Always makes me laugh when New Labour start crowing about how crap peoples standard of living is when they had 15 years to rectify it and didn't. Both parties are crap and people are arguing over polishing a turd. Spot on and put another 1 mil below the poverty level, caring socialists my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Always makes me laugh when New Labour start crowing about how crap peoples standard of living is when they had 15 years to rectify it and didn't. Both parties are crap and people are arguing over polishing a turd. The 18 years before that, was when the real damage was done to this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Spot on and put another 1 mil below the poverty level, caring socialists my arse. E's, it wasn't a socialist government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Spot on and put another 1 mil below the poverty level, caring socialists my arse. under new labour poverty in the UK fell by around 3%. UK GDP growth outperformed any of the other G7 countries Labour reduced child poverty by 800,000 but lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 E's, it wasn't a socialist government. No but a loads of misguided socialists voted for them, people like you and the cool Britannia gang. Voted for New Labour and got old Tory. and this time vote for Labour and the ******* Krankies calling the shots. under new labour poverty in the UK fell by around 3%. UK GDP growth outperformed any of the other G7 countries Labour reduced child poverty by 800,000 but lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument eh? Really so Ed was lying in the Paxo interview was he?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Really so Ed was lying in the Paxo interview was he?. about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 The 18 years before that, was when the real damage was done to this country. Bill that argument will carry on until the beginning of time, the Tories will say it was Labour who bankrupt the country before that. My point being, none of them have served the interests of the country well and blame the other for the race to the bottom. Meanwhile the 1% at the top continue to ride into the sunset unopposed with the weasel lawyers and bankers covering their arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 about what? Miliband. "The gap got bigger [on inequality] and lots of people got left behind." During New Labours 15 years, the wealth in virtually every single traditional tory stronghold increased, whilst fell/stagnated in traditional Labour strongholds, it took labour 12 years to introduce a higher taxation for top earners and it's tax credits system disastrously instead of targeting the lower income earners actually rewarded middle income earners, making the gap even wider. By 2010 the UK had the 4th highest inequality rating out the 25 richest countries in the world and only Portugal in the whole of Europe was worse. and why was this allowed to happen?, because New Labour knew that most Labour voters will only ever vote Labour but keep 'middle England' happy and they could cling to power, it was that cynical, sadly for them almost certainly the banking crash, the evil truth about Blair, the forgettable Mr Brown put paid to that little scheme. Mate I hate them all but back to the thread, how many questions did either of them actually answer in the whole of the programme?, not one, do we know anything that we didn't know already?, not really Cameron is still a rich smarmy tory and Miliband is still a rich awkward pseudo socialist, hell yes. The best result is a completely hung parliament, let the chaos begin and then see who during that period acts like a leader for the good of the country and not just along party lines, one thing is for sure Miliband although saying he won't form a coalition with the SNP in many ways is actually worse, because by being 'propped' up by the SNP they can extort more from England on a vote by vote basis and we will be back on the inequality roundabout but this time looking at the inequality between the 2 countries and England as the benefactor . Edit:- on reflection we did learn 2 other things from the Paxo show, Miliband admitted he said 4 years ago the economy would crash and burn and unemployment would go up and has been spectacularly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 It's simple really,the torys for once are getting it right,unless ur on benefits of course then vote labour or get a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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